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RiderOnTheStorm 02-21-2023 02:13 PM

Bicycle Safety
 
On at least three occasions I have witnessed a line of bicyclists ride through a roundabout whereby the riders at the end of the line enter the roundabout in front of cars already in the roundabout, forcing these cars (including my own on one occasion) to come to a complete stop until the last of the bicyclists exit the roundabout. Can anyone, hopefully including a few bicyclists, clarify the right of way responsibilities here?
Thank you.

Davonu 02-21-2023 02:43 PM

Regardless of vehicle type, the vehicle entering the roundabout must yield to vehicles already in either lane of the roundabout.

npwalters 02-21-2023 03:16 PM

There seems to be a belief by bike riders, riding in packs, that if one bicycle enters a roundabout or starts through a 4 way stop that every bike in that pack enjoys the same right of way. I don't know that this is true.

I had to stop at a 4 way (in the intersection) to allow the 30th or perhaps 40th bicycle ride through.

BTW, I also ride bikes but not with a group.

coralway 02-21-2023 05:53 PM

Every man, and woman, for themselves. That’s the real life policy

ThirdOfFive 02-21-2023 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RiderOnTheStorm (Post 2190108)
On at least three occasions I have witnessed a line of bicyclists ride through a roundabout whereby the riders at the end of the line enter the roundabout in front of cars already in the roundabout, forcing these cars (including my own on one occasion) to come to a complete stop until the last of the bicyclists exit the roundabout. Can anyone, hopefully including a few bicyclists, clarify the right of way responsibilities here?
Thank you.

I've seen the same thing.

Individually bicyclists might be pretty nice people, but once that pack mentality takes over.... :)

VApeople 02-21-2023 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by npwalters (Post 2190130)
There seems to be a belief by bike riders, riding in packs, that if one bicycle enters a roundabout or starts through a 4 way stop that every bike in that pack enjoys the same right of way. I don't know that this is true.

I had to stop at a 4 way (in the intersection) to allow the 30th or perhaps 40th bicycle ride through.

Yeah, the same thing happened to me. I just stopped and let them go through.

As I leave Osceola Hills, I have to cross a MMP that has a STOP sign on it. Often there is a golf cart or bike on the MMP and I never stop to let them get by. I just keep looking forward and proceed at a speed of 5 mph or less.

Marathon Man 02-22-2023 07:13 AM

I support riding (I don't ride myself), however, this is a problem. Forcing a car to stop in a roundabout is not a good thing,

brianherlihy 02-22-2023 07:37 AM

the bike pople are the worst i dont stop and i just drive right past stop sines

MrFlorida 02-22-2023 08:30 AM

I've seen them do this at stop signs also.

RiderOnTheStorm 02-22-2023 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Davonu (Post 2190119)
Regardless of vehicle type, the vehicle entering the roundabout must yield to vehicles already in either lane of the roundabout.

Thought so. Thanks.

Two Bills 02-22-2023 09:08 AM

Was there not some law/directive hatched some time back about bicycles in a peleton can follow through if clear for first cyclist?
I seem to remember a post about it.

JerryP 02-22-2023 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2190393)
Was there not some law/directive hatched some time back about bicycles in a peleton can follow through if clear for first cyclist?
I seem to remember a post about it.

Yes

b) When stopping at a stop sign, persons riding bicycles in groups, after coming to a full stop and obeying all traffic laws, may proceed through the stop sign in a group of 10 or fewer at a time. Motor vehicle operators must allow one such group to travel through the intersection before moving forward.

kitnhead 02-23-2023 04:16 AM

Question, is there a reason some cyclists don’t use the multi mobile paths? The street really doesn’t seem designed for the bikes.

Davonu 02-23-2023 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by kitnhead (Post 2190620)
Question, is there a reason some cyclists don’t use the multi mobile paths? The street really doesn’t seem designed for the bikes.

As an avid MM path bike rider, I couldn’t agree more. :)

On the streets, I’m at the mercy of fast moving automobiles. On a path, I am much more in control of my own safety.

mickey100 02-23-2023 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by JerryP (Post 2190405)
Yes

b) When stopping at a stop sign, persons riding bicycles in groups, after coming to a full stop and obeying all traffic laws, may proceed through the stop sign in a group of 10 or fewer at a time. Motor vehicle operators must allow one such group to travel through the intersection before moving forward.

Thank you.

Maybelle 02-23-2023 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by JerryP (Post 2190405)
Yes

b) When stopping at a stop sign, persons riding bicycles in groups, after coming to a full stop and obeying all traffic laws, may proceed through the stop sign in a group of 10 or fewer at a time. Motor vehicle operators must allow one such group to travel through the intersection before moving forward.

What are you quoting?

Worldseries27 02-23-2023 06:19 AM

All you need is love (j.l.)
 
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Originally Posted by maybelle (Post 2190631)
what are you quoting?

what legalease matters when a human body lays broken?

Happydaz 02-23-2023 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Maybelle (Post 2190631)
What are you quoting?

New Florida law.

HJBeck 02-23-2023 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by RiderOnTheStorm (Post 2190108)
On at least three occasions I have witnessed a line of bicyclists ride through a roundabout whereby the riders at the end of the line enter the roundabout in front of cars already in the roundabout, forcing these cars (including my own on one occasion) to come to a complete stop until the last of the bicyclists exit the roundabout. Can anyone, hopefully including a few bicyclists, clarify the right of way responsibilities here?
Thank you.

They are supposed to obey the same rules as vehicular traffic, thus they are in violation. Needless to say, I'd hate to be the one to hit one. Dan N.. Will make sure they end up owning your home.

jljl62040 02-23-2023 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by kitnhead (Post 2190620)
Question, is there a reason some cyclists don’t use the multi mobile paths? The street really doesn’t seem designed for the bikes.

The street is faster to use for a bicycle and in many ways safer. Several cyclists riding together on an MMP could cause a blockage for the carts.

JGibson 02-23-2023 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by JerryP (Post 2190405)
Yes

b) When stopping at a stop sign, persons riding bicycles in groups, after coming to a full stop and obeying all traffic laws, may proceed through the stop sign in a group of 10 or fewer at a time. Motor vehicle operators must allow one such group to travel through the intersection before moving forward.

It doesn't really specify if all 10 bicycles have to stop or just the first bicycle. It also says 10 or fewer so what's the law if it's a group over 10?

photo1902 02-23-2023 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by JGibson (Post 2190667)
It doesn't really specify if all 10 bicycles have to stop or just the first bicycle. It also says 10 or fewer so what's the law if it's a group over 10?

Seems pretty clear to me. And if the group is more than 10, the 11th rider must stop.

(b) When stopping at a stop sign, persons riding bicycles in groups, after coming to a full stop and obeying all traffic laws, may proceed through the stop sign in a group of 10 or fewer at a time. Motor vehicle operators must allow one such group to travel through the intersection before moving forward.

Windguy 02-23-2023 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JGibson (Post 2190667)
It doesn't really specify if all 10 bicycles have to stop or just the first bicycle. It also says 10 or fewer so what's the law if it's a group over 10?

All must stop and then they can proceed in groups of 10. The law says 10 max. The bike club limits groups to 10 and then they form multiple groups if more want to go on a ride. A club rule requires a gap between groups that is large enough to allow cars to get in between. Sometimes groups get too close together, but they are not supposed to.

sowilts 02-23-2023 07:58 AM

All must be considered one vehicle on the road. It doesn’t seem to matter since a single, or group of ten riders will lose out to even the smallest car or cart for that matter. If one is clipped in you will lose even if a small cat darts in front and blocks you front tyre. I ride and do not challenge anything that will run my day; or life. Rules are made for those that are aware of them. Expect the worst when you have little protection.

Laker 02-23-2023 07:59 AM

Last week a group of cyclists going through the parking lot in front of Barnes and Noble knocked a woman down, breaking her arm. But at least they stopped, for what that’s worth.

Two Bills 02-23-2023 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by JGibson (Post 2190667)
It doesn't really specify if all 10 bicycles have to stop or just the first bicycle. It also says 10 or fewer so what's the law if it's a group over 10?

If only the first one stops, and the 9 remaining do not, it's going to get messy!

Rainger99 02-23-2023 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Maybelle (Post 2190631)
What are you quoting?

Florida statute 316.2065 Bicycle regulations.

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airstreamingypsy 02-23-2023 08:08 AM

Fact is, if you hit and kill a bicyclist your life will go to poopoo and stay that way for a long time. No matter who is wrong, you don't want to hit someone if you can avoid it.

Bandb875 02-23-2023 08:11 AM

Perhaps bicycle groups should be limited to 10 riders.

Chamo 02-23-2023 08:13 AM

Tour le France 🇫🇷
Can’t stand them

brianherlihy 02-23-2023 08:19 AM

y do i have to stop and thay dont

Happydaz 02-23-2023 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Chamo (Post 2190693)
Tour le France 🇫🇷
Can’t stand them

Nothing new in over 120 years. Around 1896 there was a bicycle craze all over the world. People were buying new bikes and women found new freedom in being able to ride all over the countryside. But guess what, a number of groups got very angry at the bicyclists. Hat makers were angry because riders only wore small caps and stopped buying hats. Carriage drivers were angry that people were bicycling instead of riding in their carriages. Farmers were angry that they were on the roads scaring their livestock and horses. Some people threw things at the bicyclists as they went by! But guess what, 120 plus years later people are still bicycling and it is getting even more popular. People should try to adjust to this trend. It is here to stay. (I know this is a hard thing for elderly Villagers to do, but it might help their mental health if they weren’t always driving around angry and absolutely sure in all their beliefs and prejudices.) What happened to the “Woodstock Generation?” Peace.

nn0wheremann 02-23-2023 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by npwalters (Post 2190130)
There seems to be a belief by bike riders, riding in packs, that if one bicycle enters a roundabout or starts through a 4 way stop that every bike in that pack enjoys the same right of way. I don't know that this is true.

I had to stop at a 4 way (in the intersection) to allow the 30th or perhaps 40th bicycle ride through.

BTW, I also ride bikes but not with a group.

I think it is generally just a matter of courtesy to let a group stay together. On the other hand, the riders, bicyclists or motorcyclists, should not ride more than six or eight in a stick, again as a matter of courtesy.

Regorp 02-23-2023 09:31 AM

Bikes
 
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Originally Posted by RiderOnTheStorm (Post 2190108)
On at least three occasions I have witnessed a line of bicyclists ride through a roundabout whereby the riders at the end of the line enter the roundabout in front of cars already in the roundabout, forcing these cars (including my own on one occasion) to come to a complete stop until the last of the bicyclists exit the roundabout. Can anyone, hopefully including a few bicyclists, clarify the right of way responsibilities here?
Thank you.

It seems awful dangerous for a bicycle to be in a roundabout let alone a pack of them. Should be auto's only. And at the DeLuna gate they do a turn around to go back, holding up traffic for five minutes. Ride on your designated paths, please.

Rainger99 02-23-2023 09:46 AM

Do bikers follow this?

6)(a) Persons riding bicycles upon a roadway or in a bicycle lane may not ride more than two abreast except on a bicycle path. Persons riding two abreast may not impede traffic when traveling at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing and must ride within a single lane. Where bicycle lanes exist, persons riding bicycles may ride two abreast if both are able to remain within the bicycle lane. If the bicycle lane is too narrow to allow two persons riding bicycles to ride two abreast, the persons must ride single-file and within the bicycle lane. On roads that contain a substandard-width lane as defined in subparagraph (5)(a)3., persons riding bicycles may temporarily ride two abreast only to avoid hazards in the roadway or to overtake another person riding a bicycle.

toeser 02-23-2023 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by RiderOnTheStorm (Post 2190108)
On at least three occasions I have witnessed a line of bicyclists ride through a roundabout whereby the riders at the end of the line enter the roundabout in front of cars already in the roundabout, forcing these cars (including my own on one occasion) to come to a complete stop until the last of the bicyclists exit the roundabout. Can anyone, hopefully including a few bicyclists, clarify the right of way responsibilities here?
Thank you.

I believe Florida law allows 10 bicycles at a time right of way. Unfortunately, some of the bike clubs in The Villages give the rest of us bikers a bad name. I would not dream riding through a round-about with my bike. I don't feel safe in my car.

Bill14564 02-23-2023 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2190736)
Do bikers follow this?

6)(a) Persons riding bicycles upon a roadway or in a bicycle lane may not ride more than two abreast except on a bicycle path. ...

I don't recall ever seeing bicyclists riding more than two abreast.

Be careful scouring the statutes for potential "gotchas." There are plenty of statutes that apply to car drivers too and compliance with those laws is nothing to brag about.

Tyson 02-23-2023 10:27 AM

Im so sick of these guys blowing through a yield sign just to keep up. Be warned, not stopping again. Its your responsibility to yield to oncoming traffic. Yield or your goofy shorts are gonna turn brown.

srswans 02-23-2023 10:37 AM

10 or Less Single-File
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RiderOnTheStorm (Post 2190108)
On at least three occasions I have witnessed a line of bicyclists ride through a roundabout whereby the riders at the end of the line enter the roundabout in front of cars already in the roundabout, forcing these cars (including my own on one occasion) to come to a complete stop until the last of the bicyclists exit the roundabout. Can anyone, hopefully including a few bicyclists, clarify the right of way responsibilities here?
Thank you.

I cycle but not in a group.

I believe group riding is done for safety and practicality. Imagine the opposite - 10 bicycles interleaved with 10 cars in a roundabout - dangerous and chaotic.

Group riding is also practical. Again, imagine if 10 cyclists yielded and entered the roundabout one at a time - the drivers behind them would be furious at the delay.

A group of 10, single-file cyclists in a roundabout is no worse than a semi or large truck/trailer combo.

Yield at the entrance to the roundabout and let the group pass.

FL supports group riding up to 10 cyclists - see other replies here for details.

srswans 02-23-2023 10:40 AM

This is Legal in FL - up to 10
 
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Originally Posted by npwalters (Post 2190130)
There seems to be a belief by bike riders, riding in packs, that if one bicycle enters a roundabout or starts through a 4 way stop that every bike in that pack enjoys the same right of way. I don't know that this is true.

I had to stop at a 4 way (in the intersection) to allow the 30th or perhaps 40th bicycle ride through.

BTW, I also ride bikes but not with a group.

See other replies for details.


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