So so unfair pro golf purse
 

LPGA WINNER $270,000 HSBC
PGA WINNER $3,600,000 BAYHILL

Come on, this is ridiculous

Tennis, soccer same for both genders

Basketball, women must supplement income going overseas at sometimes find themselves in prison.

NOT FAIR!!!!!

Agree 100%

I don't agree. The purse is based on the amount of money that can be raised to produce and promote the tournament. It's a business, that has income and expenses, like any other business. No one is forcing women to play in a golf tournament. Where do you suggest that the extra money come from?

I agree with you! Unfortunately, life isn't fair. In entertainment (include professional sports) pay is based on the revenue it brings in.

My wife's former hairdresser, back in Minnesota, charged $120 for a cut and color. Took about two hours, so based on that, he could do maybe four in a day. Pretty good money.

A cut-and-color by one of the hairdresser's (female) at Cal's Barber Shop here in TV costs $68.00. Same time spent. Same result.

Is this "fair"?

And why or why not?

I attended an LPGA event held at Hazeltine National Golf Club in Chaska, MN about ten years or so ago. We were there on a Friday. Great golf; we had no problem going anywhere on the course where spectators were allowed. Plenty of seating and standing space. Didn't cost much. Parking was as I recall; $5 per vehicle and there was plenty of space.

My wife attended a PGA event at the same course about five years prior to that--2009 I think. Tiger Woods was in the field. She had a special pass from a friend who worked there in some capacity or other. At the time, I think the cost per ticket was in the neighborhood of $200 per day--if you could get one. Many couldn't. Offhand I'd say that it cost a spectator about five times as much to attend the PGA championship as the LPGA one. To say nothing of the advertising revenues for television, which with Tiger in the field probably dwarfed any such revenue gained from the LPGA event.

Is this fair?

In my opinion, it is very fair. It's called capitalism and the free market.

You're right, it is ridiculous. I can't believe the LPGA can afford to pay the winner of the HSBC more than $100,000.

Women don't support women's sports and men don't care to watch an inferior product.

Same reason that "Gentlemen's Clubs" out number "Lady's Clubs" by about 10,000:1.

As soon as some woman can compete at golf with Tiger Woods or even John Rahm, things will change ... maybe.

It is all about economics. When female sporting events make the same revenue as mens talk about equal pay.

It's fair due to the quality of skill. A few years ago, a boys' team from Texas u15 or u17 beat the USA women's world cup champions 7 to 2. 100-meter race in track men's time is a second faster than women. I enjoy watching women's sports, but they are not anywhere near the ability or skill of men.

The one objection I have with this post is the reference to women's sports as an "inferior product ". It is kind of a simple matter of "horsepower". To me, a race between two mazda miatas just as interesting as a race between two corvettes. Still requires the same skill to get the best result from your competitive limitations.

I have seen great minor league baseball games. The players play harder than major leaguers since they want to get called up.

However, even though the games may be very competitive - the major leaguers get paid a lot more. Average salary for MLB is about $4 million. Minor leaguers make anywhere from $4,800 to $14,700 annually. The high-end of this scale is still below the minimum wage in the United States, which as of 2022, is an annual salary of $15,080 for a full-time worker making the Federal Minimum Wage of $7.50.

If I suggested that women have "competitive limitations", I'd be accused of being a misogynist.

As most everyone has pointed out, a 3rd grader should be able to understand the financial implictations.

If it costs $10 to watch the Corvettes race, you'd be lucky to get $3 at the door, for the Mazda race.

Retiredguy;
You hit it! When the LPGA generates $$$ that the PGA Tour generates, the LPGA will have payouts like the men's tour.

Same thing with the WNBA. If it weren't for massive subsidies from the NBA, the WNBA wouldn't exist. I'd wager that most women couldn't name their local WNBA team, let alone ever attend a game...

Once women's tennis started bringing in the revenue, they started receiving the same prize money (for less work, btw, since they only play 3 sets vs 5 sets for the men in the major tournaments...)

If you do not bring the money in, how can you pay more out?
Only governments work with that scenario.
Men's tournament generate the cash through the gate.
Although I enjoy watching ladies tournaments because of the smaller crowds.
Same with equal pay for women tennis players.
They only play three sets, men five.
In my book it's the male tennis players who are underpaid!

When women start playing from the black tees and hit as far as men then maybe equal viewership and equal pay. Otherwise, no.

Bingo.

Produce a product capable of bringing in the same money, and the pay will be commensurate. Until then...

NBA revenue = $7.4 Billion
WNBA Revenue = $60 Million

PGA Tour Revenue = $1.6 Billion
LPGA Tour revenue = $117 Million

The United States Women’s National Team (USWNT) earned more money from its male equivalent reaching the knockout stages of the 2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar than it did from winning its own tournaments in 2015 and 2019.


“Basketball, women must supplement income going overseas at sometimes find themselves in prison.”
Not in prison for going overseas, in prison for having a drug that’s illegal in the country

Boycott the sponsors. Send sponsors letters stating your concerns.

Really, boycott sponsors!? Then they pull out sponsoring the LPGA because return on investment drops. If you want sponsors to pay more, support them and by their product. Higher return on investment equals higher value for venue.

Bill Burr Explained it the Best
 

Because it's about the attendance and ads. Bill Barr explained it the best. Search on YouTube for "Women Sports, what men think but can’t say" and enjoy.

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Bill Burr explained it the best on this clip from YouTube...

https://youtu.be/I745Ajeq_B8

It's about the money...

That will surely work.

WOW that might be the most sexist comment I’ve ever seen on here! “ Women don’t support women’s sports and men don’t care to watch an inferior product”!!!!!!

The women in your life must be so proud.

Who said life is fair? There is the fairness where everything is equal. So everyone pays the same price for a theater ticket, whether a child, an adult or a senior citizen. No one has more than another. Everyone eats or no one does, for example. Logically, then, an infant and an adolescent will receive the same amount of food. It doesn’t matter that one needs more than the other. Fairness is finding the average and applying it across the board. This is fairness as equality of outcome.

Where’s the “equitable” crocodile tears for the male adult entertainers?

Real women aren't offended by the truth.

Sports will continue to be sexist, until women stop demanding separate platforms to display their inferior skills.

Unfair, how? Unfortunately women’s golf does not have the same level of support from fans, sponsors, advertisers etc. Until it does, it isn’t going to change.

This isn't a social program or a constitutional right ... this is a business. And women going overseas for any reason are imprisoned for carrying illegal drugs ... the same result as anyone else regardless of sex of occupation. They don't go to prison for playing sports.

Less people (and therefore less $$) are interested in women's sports. That's a fact. And, if there is less money from sponsors and others, the prize pool is smaller.

Bill Gates and I were in the same profession ... software development. Why is he a billionaire and I'm not? Who do I complain to in order to level the playing field (pun intended)?

Correct about womens tennis getting paid more…based on amount of work!
 

I wonder why Billie Jean King hasn’t said anything about womens tennis actually being paid the same, for less work, 3 sets vs. 5 sets. I’ve always thought highly of her…until she stands by, says nothing, and is actually proud of it. Come Billie Jean, do you want true equity or not…seems pretty hypocritical. And heaven forbid any of the announcers or others former stars say anything.

Agree.......................Free Market.

Let's give everyone participation awards.

Let's pay all Doctors, CPA's & Attorneys the same as hamburger flippers.

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Not the same game....Love watching the Women in all sports...Support them for years..
 

When women Sport draw the Money..
as men sports ...they should and will be paid as Men. ( Golf, women use much shorter course then men ) ..not the same.
Tennis was the first Woke Sport...paying the women the same is a crime ...Love watching the women....but they are not playing the same game as men! ( Not as fast or powerful) And they only play 60%of what the men play ( 3 sets to 5 sets)....So maybe they should only get %60 of what men are paid????

Race
 

Good comparison but the difference is you would go to the Miatas race but would go see the Corvette race!!

True--sort of--

That 5-set thing for men's tennis applies only to the four major "grand slam" tournaments (Australian Open, French Open, Wimbledon, and the U.S. Open). The ATP Final and Indian Wells used to play five, but now only three. Fan attendance at the slam matches is pretty much equal men to women, and TV viewership for the grand slam events are also roughly equal, men and women. The prize money at the slams is equal, men to women, which makes sense considering the roughly equal fan attendance, media coverage, etc. for both genders.

Things drop off at non-slam events. There are roughly equal numbers of WTA (women's pro tennis) and ATP (Men's pro tennis) events per year. But the women's events just don't draw as many viewers at the matches, and "In total, the women’s competitions received 41% less media coverage than the men’s". ("Gender Media Coverage in Tennis", signal-ai dot com).

I love watching tennis, of whatever gender. But it is a fact that the games don't compare well. There are a few women's pro tennis players who have beaten men's pro players but those are the very occasional exceptions to a pretty rigid rule.

This, from topend sports dot com: "During the 1998 Australian Open, sisters Serena and Venus Williams boasted that they could beat any man ranked outside the world's top 200. The challenge was accepted by Karsten Braasch, a German player ranked No 203 (his highest ranking was No 38). Before the matches, Braasch played a round of golf in the morning, drank a couple of beers, smoked a few cigarettes, and then played the Williams sisters for a set each, one after the other. He defeated Serena, 6-1, and Venus, 6-2. Serena said afterwards "I didn't know it would be that hard. I hit shots that would have been winners on the women's tour and he got to them easily."

Facts are neither fair nor unfair. They are merely facts. And it is a fact that women's pro tennis is an inferior product to men's pro tennis.

Men are more competitive than women, and it is not only because of physical strength or skill. The game of chess has been played around the world for more than a thousand years. It requires no physical strength or skill. But women have never been able to compete with men in chess tournaments or rankings.

If they had a Wimbledon for women and a separate Wimbledon for men, I doubt that the purses would be the same. The TV ratings would be much lower for the women’s tournament.

The women tennis players should be thankful that they are benefiting from the men players.

If the women golf would play at the same time as the men’s (alternate foursomes), they might get more money because the men are bringing in the money.

Same with the NBA and WNBA - have both games played on same night at same arena. And require TV to pay the same for both games. I think the crowds and ratings would be lower for the WNBA but who cares -the goal is equity.

Consider supporting The Women's Sports Foundation. It was founded in 1974 by Billie Jean King to advocate for equality and to expand access and opportunities for girls and women in sports. As the mother of a female athlete, I see first hand the discrimination that exists in women's sports. Federal Title IX legislation turned 50 this past year, but female sports teams are still not funded the same way that men's teams are at the high school and college level. Until that changes, we will not see gender equity in sports at the professional level. By watching the WNBA games or LPGA tournaments, you can make a difference too!
Home - Women's Sports Foundation

Yet when it comes to beach volleyball most viewers would prefer to watch the women.

"Gender equality" in sports will begin the minute a woman beats a man, at the highest level of sports competition.

"Gender equity" is what we have now. Athletes are remunerated at a level that reflects the public's interest in their sport and the level of competition.

Why does a women need to be a man to matter? Don't reply - I have no interest!