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djlnc 04-02-2023 06:55 AM

Is it allowed to drain water softener on the ground?
 
Thinking about getting a softener. There is no utility sink in the garage and no obvious place for the discharge. Is some sort of dry well permitted?

retiredguy123 04-02-2023 07:02 AM

Most water softener installations drain the discharge directly onto the ground through a plastic pipe in the exterior wall. It is legal.

RICH1 04-02-2023 07:13 AM

Does the discharge water have large amounts of salt ?

djlnc 04-02-2023 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2203698)
Most water softener installations drain the discharge directly onto the ground through a plastic pipe in the exterior wall. It is legal.

OK. That was fast. Thank you!

metoo21 04-02-2023 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by RICH1 (Post 2203708)
Does the discharge water have large amounts of salt ?

Enough to kill grass and plants over time. Use potassium chloride instead of sodium chloride and that won't happen.

dewilson58 04-02-2023 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2203698)
Most water softener installations drain the discharge directly onto the ground through a plastic pipe in the exterior wall. It is legal.

You stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night, didn't u?

:evil6:

villagetinker 04-02-2023 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by djlnc (Post 2203696)
Thinking about getting a softener. There is no utility sink in the garage and no obvious place for the discharge. Is some sort of dry well permitted?

When we moved here (2013) I had the same question, and could NOT get a straight answer. I ended up hiring a plumber who at the time stated and tried to do a water drill several feet down. In our case this did not work, ended up with something similar to a buried French drain with a cover over it and then a pipe though the cover for the water softener. What I was told at the time was you could NOT pipe or otherwise drain to the road. IMHO, you can call the county building department and ask for the correct answer for your location.

retiredguy123 04-02-2023 12:12 PM

There are other threads on this topic. Do a search. If draining on the ground is not allowed, there are a lot of Villagers violating the rule, and some of them live on my street.

ouicestmoi 04-03-2023 05:52 AM

"Per Florida Building Code, household wastewater of any type (including greywater) must be discharged to the sanitary system. This includes water from sinks, tubs, toilets, water softeners, dishwashers, washing machines and floor drains."

danglanzsr 04-03-2023 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by RICH1 (Post 2203708)
Does the discharge water have large amounts of salt ?

The opposite. The hard chemicals, calcium and manganese, are discharged. The salt, sodium or potassium chloride, goes into the softened water.

jimbo2012 04-03-2023 06:21 AM

If you use salt it is discharged, you can see homes with bad areas of grass, that's due to salt.
Potassium does not have that issue, 90% of our customers use it over salt.

It also gives you better feel on your skin.

Be aware that certain cardiac issues can be affected by drinking water with potassium, if that's an issue you can switch to salt
Or better yet add a reverse osmosis for drinking.

Bob
Nova Filters

JRcorvette 04-03-2023 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 2203963)
If you use salt it is discharged, you can see homes with bad areas of grass, that's due to salt.
Potassium does not have that issue, 90% of our customers use it over salt.

It also gives you better feel on your skin.

Be aware that certain cardiac issues can be affected by drinking water with potassium, if that's an issue you can switch to salt
Or better yet add a reverse osmosis for drinking.

Bob
Nova Filters

Hey Bob

Is the Nova filter hooked up before or after the water softner?

Thanks

retiredguy123 04-03-2023 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 2203963)
If you use salt it is discharged, you can see homes with bad areas of grass, that's due to salt.
Potassium does not have that issue, 90% of our customers use it over salt.

It also gives you better feel on your skin.

Be aware that certain cardiac issues can be affected by drinking water with potassium, if that's an issue you can switch to salt
Or better yet add a reverse osmosis for drinking.

Bob
Nova Filters

The OP's question was about the legality of discharging the drain onto the ground. When Nova installs a water softener, do you discharge the drain onto the ground and it that a legal installation?

tophcfa 04-03-2023 08:20 AM

Salt water pools with the auto level feature discharge excess pool water into the ground after heavy rains. The optimal level of salt in a pool is roughly 3200 ppm.

jimbo2012 04-03-2023 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by JRcorvette (Post 2203980)
Hey Bob

Is the Nova filter hooked up before or after the water softner?

Thanks

We've done it both ways, need more info please call 352.566.2649

jimbo2012 04-03-2023 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2203994)
The OP's question was about the legality of discharging the drain onto the ground. When Nova installs a water softener, do you discharge the drain onto the ground and it that a legal installation?

It is clean potable water It is not considered grey water which is not allowed.

There is no prohibition for doing so, except it is not to go into any storm-water drain system.

As another poster stated pools overflow onto the ground

metoo21 04-03-2023 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRcorvette (Post 2203980)
Hey Bob

Is the Nova filter hooked up before or after the water softner?

Thanks

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 2204002)
We've done it both ways, need more info please call 352.566.2649

I read JRcorvette's question 2 different ways.

1. Based on the flow of water, do the filters come first?

2. Do customers have the filters or softener installed first and later add the other?

retiredguy123 04-03-2023 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 2204006)
It is clean potable water It is not considered grey water which is not allowed.

There is no prohibition for doing so, except it is not to go into any storm-water drain system.

As another poster stated pools overflow onto the ground

Thank you. The plumbing code is very confusing on this issue. But, since most Village garages do not have a floor drain, the only other sewer drain you could use is the laundry tub, which is usually on the other side of the garage from where you need to locate the water softener, or to tap into the washing machine drain. The only other option would be to dig up the sewer drain in the front yard. So, it is logical to drain the water onto the ground. Note that Sumter County does not require a building permit to install a water softener.

Larchap49 04-03-2023 12:33 PM

Filter location
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 2204002)
We've done it both ways, need more info please call 352.566.2649

Directions with my softener said after directions with filter said before. I researched and found more info that said putting filter before the softener will extend the life of the media in the softener. So that's the way I did mine, filter before softener. Works great.

mark100 04-03-2023 02:23 PM

Also, if there is salt in the mixture, it will kill any grass it comes in contact with. Please be careful.

jimbo2012 04-03-2023 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larchap49 (Post 2204064)
Directions with my softener said after directions with filter said before. I researched and found more info that said putting filter before the softener will extend the life of the media in the softener.

FYI, the media (resin) lasts 3 to 5 years max, it must be replaced.

metoo21 04-03-2023 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 2204142)
FYI, the media (resin) lasts 3 to 5 years max, it must be replaced.

Best way to tell that it needs replacing?

jimkerr 04-04-2023 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by metoo21 (Post 2204162)
Best way to tell that it needs replacing?

When it’s not softening anymore.

merrymini 04-05-2023 07:28 AM

Decided against the water softener because of this issue. I had one previously but, because it was located in the basement, it drained into the waste water. Not possible here. So polluting less. Anyway, this water is not so hard, I can live with it.


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