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Rainger99 04-16-2023 07:55 PM

Did Scrooge get a bad rap??
 
I just came across an article that defends Scrooge.

Makes for interesting reading!

In Defense of Scrooge | Mises Institute

JMintzer 04-16-2023 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2208192)
I just came across an article that defends Scrooge.

Makes for interesting reading!

In Defense of Scrooge | Mises Institute

He deserves all the hatred he deserves. After all, he maimed an blinded several children and townspeople! He even made Tiny Tim fall into a sewer!

https://youtu.be/1ww5p_Gean4

Kenswing 04-16-2023 08:20 PM

Are you and Michael G in competition? :shrug:

Taltarzac725 04-16-2023 09:54 PM

This looks like an assignment made in a Introduction to Philosophy Class to this Professor's students. As in "How would you answer this essay?"

Michael Levin | Mises Institute



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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2208192)
I just came across an article that defends Scrooge.

Makes for interesting reading!

In Defense of Scrooge | Mises Institute


fdpaq0580 04-16-2023 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2208195)
He deserves all the hatred he deserves. After all, he maimed an blinded several children and townspeople! He even made Tiny Tim fall into a sewer!

https://youtu.be/1ww5p_Gean4

Sounds like you are saying, "he deserves" all that "he deserves". Don't we all deserve what we deserve? Good, bad, or a combination thereof.

JMintzer 04-17-2023 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2208214)
Sounds like you are saying, "he deserves" all that "he deserves". Don't we all deserve what we deserve? Good, bad, or a combination thereof.

My bad... I made a typo... All the hatred he gets...

Did you watch the video I linked?

Please tell me you watched the video...

Keefelane66 04-17-2023 09:17 AM

Yes another great video

fdpaq0580 04-17-2023 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2208345)
My bad... I made a typo... All the hatred he gets...

Did you watch the video I linked?

Please tell me you watched the video...

Okay! Since you said "please". I watched the video. I really didn't, but you asked me to tell you that I did so nicely that I couldn't refuse.

Keefelane66 04-17-2023 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenswing (Post 2208197)
Are you and Michael G in competition? :shrug:

Although Mike G has a lot of frequent post Taltarzac725tops my list if you are counting

JMintzer 04-17-2023 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2208371)
Okay! Since you said "please". I watched the video. I really didn't, but you asked me to tell you that I did so nicely that I couldn't refuse.

Then you have no idea why I typed what I typed...

fdpaq0580 04-17-2023 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2208464)
Then you have no idea why I typed what I typed...

I only know what it seemed like you were saying. 'Scrooge deserves the hatred he deserves"
, is what I thought you were saying and I wasn't sure what you meant by that. That is all. Simple clarification.

Worldseries27 04-18-2023 04:52 AM

Who doesn't love a good knife fight

MandoMan 04-18-2023 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2208192)
I just came across an article that defends Scrooge.

Makes for interesting reading!

In Defense of Scrooge | Mises Institute

The article, published in a blog advocating “unfettered free trade and Austrian economics,” makes the case for laissez faire capitalism, paying employees no more than they force employers to pay, providing no benefits employees don’t force them to provide, paying is little tax as is quasi-legal. Andrew Carnegie and many like him would have approved of the argument. Of course they would, because what they didn’t give to others made them richer. As for others, who cares? But Carnegie in his old age had a Scrooge-like conversion and spent most of his fortune endowing public libraries and giving money to many good causes to this day through the Andrew Carnegie Foundation. I’m glad he did. But what if he had amassed less but paid his employees better instead of paying them as little as possible? Yes, he was taking the risk and deserved to profit, but his employees were doing the work and also deserved more. How many would not have ended up destitute after accidents if he had been more generous? How much more pleasure and comfort could he have provided to those who actually helped him?

In capitalism for the past century, unions have forced many parsimonious employers to share a bit more of the profit, and so long as their demands weren’t exorbitant, everyone benefited. Not least, because employees could afford to buy more, those who owned the company’s stocks and bonds received more through profits, as well. Giving hard-working people more money to spend turned out to be a huge incentive to economic growth. In some industries and companies, employers haven’t seen a growth of unions because they have provided employees with generous salaries and wonderful benefit packages from the outset, without being forced to do so, having learned the lesson taught by those who gave unwillingly: strikes are very expensive for all involved. (For example, many companies selling computer-related items and cars).

The argument that the idle poor should not be given so much that they would rather be on welfare than work is not without merit. Poverty is a terrible thing, but what we call poverty here is wealth in many countries. Our families in poverty in some cases may have color televisions, cell phones, nice cars, Medicaid, free education, negative taxes, air conditioning and heat, refrigerators, wifi, and still find money for drugs. One might ask, though, if paying for the support is better or worse for business than having them rise up and burn our cities. To some extent, the wide welfare benefits we provide are what we pay to prevent a revolution. Our experience a couple years ago during Covid showed us that giving lots of extra money to poor people eased their lives a lot and raised a lot of them up from poverty. They responded by buying a lot of things, improving the economy and possibly keeping us from a depression. Of course, they weren’t paid with money taken from the rich, but from we the people through gigantic debt we will never pay off, though we will pay the interest.

The biblical approach in the Torah was that if people were out of money and couldn’t find work, they could sell themselves and their families to people who had money and would pay their debts. In exchange, these bond servants or indentured servants served their owners for a certain number of years—the agreements varied, but they were supplied with food and clothing and shelter in exchange for labor. Even Scrooge might approve.

Fastskiguy 04-18-2023 08:50 AM

Similar to the youtube videos showing how the Galactic Empire is good and the Rebel Alliance is bad in Star Wars. It's fun to learn strong counterpoints!

Joe

PS Just for the record, I'm still mad about the destruction of Alderaan.

fdpaq0580 04-18-2023 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Worldseries27 (Post 2208604)
Who doesn't love a good knife fight

Fight would last longer if they used plastic spoons.

Hint: scoop out the eyes

Jhnidy 04-19-2023 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2208214)
Sounds like you are saying, "he deserves" all that "he deserves". Don't we all deserve what we deserve? Good, bad, or a combination thereof.

Deserves got nothing to do with it.

fdpaq0580 04-19-2023 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jhnidy (Post 2209065)
Deserves got nothing to do with it.

The sentence remarked upon had an error and as written made no sense. I was merely seeking clarification of the authors true intent. Indeed the author did, it seems to me, feel that Scrooge did deserve to be hated for the harm he had done. If I am in error as to the author's intent, I am sure he will let me know if he deems it worth his time.

defrey12 04-23-2023 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2208192)
I just came across an article that defends Scrooge.

Makes for interesting reading!

In Defense of Scrooge | Mises Institute

Yes, VERY interesting read.


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