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tejas 04-21-2023 01:49 PM

Strange laptop logon problem
 
I have an HP Envy laptop running Windows 10. This morning when I powered up the laptop and tried to enter my pin the letter keys (a,b,c) did not work. I'd press a key and nothing happened, no movement of the cursor, no error, nothing. However, the number keys did work. Yes, I pressed the number lock key to see if that was an issue. I then clicked on 'forgot my pin' and went through a verification process which required me to enter my alternate email address to get a verification code. Surprise, the letter keys worked fine which allowed me to enter the email address and get a code. After entering the code I got a warning about changing my pin and did I want to continue or cancel. I selected cancel and the normal Microsoft screen appeared just as it would have if I had been able to enter my pin at the very beginning. Everything worked fine. However, the next time I powered up the laptop the letter keys once again did not work and I had to again go through the 'forgot my pin' process.

Any ideas what is causing this or how I fix it? Thanks

fdpaq0580 04-21-2023 02:03 PM

Suspicious! Ask a pro you know, like geek squad, etc.

juneroses 04-21-2023 02:14 PM

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deano_hoosier 04-21-2023 02:16 PM

Same thing happened to me a few days back...turns out when I removed Windows 11 to go back to Windows 10 as part of that process, the system asked me if I would rather use a pin code on booting up. I had forgotten that I must have said "yes" and I input a 4 number code. Hence after that on bootup and in the passcode window box it would only accept numbers and not letters. I googled how to get rid of that and followed the instructions which did allow me to change my logon code back the combination of letters and numbers that I had always used. That I'm sure is what has happened to you.

These are the instructions I followed:
Go to >Settings >Accounts >Sign-in options and under 'Windows Hello PIN' click on the Change button. Check the box for 'Include letters and symbols' and then set up your new PIN.

retiredguy123 04-21-2023 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2209786)
Suspicious! Ask a pro you know, like geek squad, etc.

The Geek Squad will charge you, but Office Depot on Rt 441 will diagnose a computer problem for free.

I would suggest upgrading to Windows 11 if your computer is capable of doing it. It's free.

Another suggestion is to remove the PIN from your Windows system. Then restart and set up a new PIN using all numbers. Whenever I use a PIN, I use only numbers. I use letters for a password, not a PIN.

retiredguy123 04-21-2023 02:28 PM

From Windows:

"Windows 10 PIN that contains letters and numbers isn't automatically accepted. When PIN in windows 10 contains letters and numbers, Windows doesn't automatically accept it unless user presses ENTER. But if the PIN only contains numbers (which is by default), then pressing ENTER is no longer necessary."

fdpaq0580 04-21-2023 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2209796)
The Geek Squad will charge you, but Office Depot on Rt 441 will diagnose a computer problem for free.

I would suggest upgrading to Windows 11 if your computer is capable of doing it. It's free.

Another suggestion is to remove the PIN from your Windows system. Then restart and set up a new PIN using all numbers. Whenever I use a PIN, I use only numbers. I use letters for a password, not a PIN.

Don't think my Intelevision can do that.

tejas 04-21-2023 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deano_hoosier (Post 2209792)
Same thing happened to me a few days back...turns out when I removed Windows 11 to go back to Windows 10 as part of that process, the system asked me if I would rather use a pin code on booting up. I had forgotten that I must have said "yes" and I input a 4 number code. Hence after that on bootup and in the passcode window box it would only accept numbers and not letters. I googled how to get rid of that and followed the instructions which did allow me to change my logon code back the combination of letters and numbers that I had always used. That I'm sure is what has happened to you.

These are the instructions I followed:
Go to >Settings >Accounts >Sign-in options and under 'Windows Hello PIN' click on the Change button. Check the box for 'Include letters and symbols' and then set up your new PIN.

YES! THANK YOU! It's a four digit pin.

ouicestmoi 04-22-2023 06:13 AM

Please try the following steps:

Step 1: In the login screen, you can click the key logo to input the login password of the account.

Step 2:Open the “Settings” in Win menu and click on the “Account” icon to enter account settings.

Step 3:Choose “Sign-in option” and click “I forgot my PIN”, you can reset your PIN now.

If it is a local account, please input the local account login password, and then you can reset your PIN.

If it is a Microsoft account, a popup will ask you “Are you sure you forgot your PIN”, click “Continue” button. You need to verify your Microsoft account password, and then you can set a new PIN for your current account.

Restart your computer, choose the number logo, you can login your computer with the new PIN now.

GaryKoca 04-22-2023 06:16 AM

Laptop problem
 
Take it to Jacobs Computers on 301 in Wildwood. He will resolve it.

jarodrig 04-22-2023 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tejas (Post 2209816)
YES! THANK YOU! It's a four digit pin.

Did you resolve the issue ?

coralway 04-22-2023 11:54 AM

I run 10, have never used a pin or even been asked if I wanted a pin. Have not heard good things about 11.

retiredguy123 04-22-2023 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coralway (Post 2210191)
I run 10, have never used a pin or even been asked if I wanted a pin. Have not heard good things about 11.

I have been using Windows 11 since it first came out. I have not had any problems with it. It works a lot like Windows 10, but it allows you to install apps and also offers interfaces and syncing with your phone and tablets. I haven't used all of those features, but I don't see any reason to not do the free upgrade.

Note that, if you have workers or other strangers in your house, I would recommend using a PIN or password to prevent unwanted access to your computer. It only takes a few minutes to copy your entire hard drive onto a flash drive.

MrLonzo 04-22-2023 01:19 PM

I have a similar, but little different problem, ongoing now for 6 months. When my computer goes to sleep, sometimes, but not always, it's hard to wake up. I hit a key on the keyboard or tap the mouse and nothing happens. I wait 30-45 seconds, then finally it wakes up. I asked a tech pro about this but still have no resolution. (HP Pavilion i-5 running Windows 11)

retiredguy123 04-22-2023 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrLonzo (Post 2210207)
I have a similar, but little different problem, ongoing now for 6 months. When my computer goes to sleep, sometimes, but not always, it's hard to wake up. I hit a key on the keyboard or tap the mouse and nothing happens. I wait 30-45 seconds, then finally it wakes up. I asked a tech pro about this but still have no resolution. (HP Pavilion i-5 running Windows 11)

Are you using the "sleep" or "hibernate" mode? If so, try just leaving your computer on all the time. The screen will turn off or go into the screen saver mode after a set amount of time that you can set. I haven't used the sleep or hibernate mode for years. Occasionally, I will restart the computer, but not very often.

AnnieDotz 04-23-2023 05:26 AM

Printer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2209786)
Suspicious! Ask a pro you know, like geek squad, etc.

I have the same printer, but I have a Mac. Go to your printer program on your computer and it should guide you how to fix your printer. I fix mine all the time.

retiredguy123 04-23-2023 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnnieDotz (Post 2210363)
I have the same printer, but I have a Mac. Go to your printer program on your computer and it should guide you how to fix your printer. I fix mine all the time.

Huh? I didn't read any posts that even mentioned a printer.

MrLonzo 04-23-2023 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2210210)
Are you using the "sleep" or "hibernate" mode? If so, try just leaving your computer on all the time. The screen will turn off or go into the screen saver mode after a set amount of time that you can set. I haven't used the sleep or hibernate mode for years. Occasionally, I will restart the computer, but not very often.

Actually I do have the computer on all the time. The screen save comes on after a while, then goes to sleep mode. Another problem that happens is frequent auto-rebooting. I get up in the morning only to find it has rebooted overnight. My settings don't allow automatic reboots. Almost like some outside force has control of my computer. (using Norton 360).

Bill14564 04-23-2023 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrLonzo (Post 2210538)
Actually I do have the computer on all the time. The screen save comes on after a while, then goes to sleep mode. Another problem that happens is frequent auto-rebooting. I get up in the morning only to find it has rebooted overnight. My settings don't allow automatic reboots. Almost like some outside force has control of my computer. (using Norton 360).

I don't let my laptop go into sleep mode because I don't want to wait for it to wake up. Still, I haven't tried it in a while but 30-45 seconds seems long.

I didn't think you could tell Windows 10 or later to not reboot. I thought you could set a time of the day for rebooting but I didn't think you could disable it entirely. If you found a way, could you point me to that setting?

tejas 04-23-2023 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jarodrig (Post 2210185)
Did you resolve the issue ?

Yes, thank you. All is fine now. Also discovered I'm actually running Windows 11. Don't know what I did...must have been the cat.

retiredguy123 04-23-2023 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrLonzo (Post 2210538)
Actually I do have the computer on all the time. The screen save comes on after a while, then goes to sleep mode. Another problem that happens is frequent auto-rebooting. I get up in the morning only to find it has rebooted overnight. My settings don't allow automatic reboots. Almost like some outside force has control of my computer. (using Norton 360).

You can prevent your computer from going to sleep by clicking on Start, Settings, Power, Screen and Sleep, and then selecting the "When plugged in, put my device to sleep" and selecting the option "NEVER".

If you are using Norton antivirus, make sure that Windows Defender is disabled. But personally, I think you are wasting money buying Norton. I stop using third party antivirus programs at least 5 years ago, and I have not had any issues.

BrianL 04-23-2023 01:44 PM

Need to go back to a previous checkpoint
 
Your laptop has become messed up by an automatic Microsoft Windows update. Windows automatically saves checkpoints so what you need to do is to go back to a checkpoint from a date that you know that your sign-on process was working correctly. You can do this through the recovery process that is under Update & Security tab in the settings menu.

Hope this helps.

coralway 04-23-2023 06:21 PM

As an fyi, if you google your problem you will find an option to chat with a certified Microsoft rep. I have used that option when I needed a Key to log back into Windows. Very helpful

midiwiz 04-24-2023 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tejas (Post 2209781)
I have an HP Envy laptop running Windows 10. This morning when I powered up the laptop and tried to enter my pin the letter keys (a,b,c) did not work. I'd press a key and nothing happened, no movement of the cursor, no error, nothing. However, the number keys did work. Yes, I pressed the number lock key to see if that was an issue. I then clicked on 'forgot my pin' and went through a verification process which required me to enter my alternate email address to get a verification code. Surprise, the letter keys worked fine which allowed me to enter the email address and get a code. After entering the code I got a warning about changing my pin and did I want to continue or cancel. I selected cancel and the normal Microsoft screen appeared just as it would have if I had been able to enter my pin at the very beginning. Everything worked fine. However, the next time I powered up the laptop the letter keys once again did not work and I had to again go through the 'forgot my pin' process.

Any ideas what is causing this or how I fix it? Thanks

while this is a great decription, you are leaving out details that can pin point the issue. Standard practice here - the PIN is a number so there really is no need for a "abc", second there can be other things happening with your machine, which is acting like it has conctracted a virus, because of lack of detail I can't tell if you are entering a fake shell or not. considering what you have to do to get somewhere with it, I'd say it's very possible.

In order to help figure that out aside from root scanner etc. remove the PIN as a method and reboot this will clear it, everything should work including you shouldn't need a pin to get into the machine. if you need a pin then you have contracted a real nice trojan. if you get in without a PIN then go back into setting and turn on the ability to use a PIN again and reboot.

These things aren't all that difficult to fix, although after reading all these forums I'm glad I do this FT otherwise I'd make a mint having a service around here.. LOL

Bill14564 04-24-2023 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by midiwiz (Post 2210714)
while this is a great decription, you are leaving out details that can pin point the issue. Standard practice here - the PIN is a number so there really is no need for a "abc", second there can be other things happening with your machine, which is acting like it has conctracted a virus, because of lack of detail I can't tell if you are entering a fake shell or not. considering what you have to do to get somewhere with it, I'd say it's very possible.

In order to help figure that out aside from root scanner etc. remove the PIN as a method and reboot this will clear it, everything should work including you shouldn't need a pin to get into the machine. if you need a pin then you have contracted a real nice trojan. if you get in without a PIN then go back into setting and turn on the ability to use a PIN again and reboot.

These things aren't all that difficult to fix, although after reading all these forums I'm glad I do this FT otherwise I'd make a mint having a service around here.. LOL

Looking at post #8 it appears he resolved the issue with information from post #4 and possibly #6.

Freehiker 04-25-2023 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coralway (Post 2210191)
I run 10, have never used a pin or even been asked if I wanted a pin. Have not heard good things about 11.

W11 works fine.

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-25-2023 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2210198)
I have been using Windows 11 since it first came out. I have not had any problems with it. It works a lot like Windows 10, but it allows you to install apps and also offers interfaces and syncing with your phone and tablets. I haven't used all of those features, but I don't see any reason to not do the free upgrade.

Note that, if you have workers or other strangers in your house, I would recommend using a PIN or password to prevent unwanted access to your computer. It only takes a few minutes to copy your entire hard drive onto a flash drive.

I have win 10 and can install apps. I also already sync my desktop with my laptop and android tablet. I can sync to my phone and had it synced at one point but it was slowing down my phone so I disabled that device from the sync list.


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