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sounding 05-20-2023 08:50 AM

Our Weather Is Innocent
 
Find out why during a talk called "The Dangerous EPA Endangerment Finding" on May 22 at 1 PM at the Bridgeport Recreation Center, for the Science & Technology club. While our weather is innocent, how it's viewed is not.

Taltarzac725 05-20-2023 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2219374)
Find out why during a talk called "The Dangerous EPA Endangerment Finding" on May 22 at 1 PM at the Bridgeport Recreation Center, for the Science & Technology club. While our weather is innocent, how it's viewed is not.

Especially when many facts are ignored for the purpose of pushing an agenda of denying global warming.

fdpaq0580 05-20-2023 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2219397)
Especially when many facts are ignored for the purpose of pushing an agenda of denying global warming.

You weren't supposed to spot the (not so well ) hidden agenda. They would like us to believe they can Make America's Weather Great Again by abusing the science and denying the truth.

justjim 05-20-2023 04:37 PM

Climate change always a spirited discussion. On the other hand, boring for others.

huge-pigeons 05-21-2023 05:17 AM

Pure propaganda. Which scientist did they use? Gore? Greta Thunberg? Read this:

Whether most scientists outside climatology believe that global warming is happening is less relevant than whether the climatologists do. A letter signed by over 50 leading members of the American Meteorological Society warned about the policies promoted by environmental pressure groups. “The policy initiatives derive from highly uncertain scientific theories. They are based on the unsupported assumption that catastrophic global warming follows from the burning of fossil fuel and requires immediate action. We do not agree.”2 Those who have signed the letter represent the overwhelming majority of climate change scientists in the United States, of whom there are about 60. McMichael and Haines quote the 1995 report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which is widely believed to “prove” that climate change induced by humans has occurred.3 The original draft document did not say this. What happened was that the policymakers’ summary (which became the “take home message” for politicians) altered the conclusions of the scientists. This led Dr Frederick Seitz, former head of the United States National Academy of Sciences, to write, “In more than sixty years as a member of the American scientific community ... I have never witnessed a more disturbing corruption of the peer-review process than the events that led to this IPCC report.”4

Bertram00 05-21-2023 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by huge-pigeons (Post 2219525)
Pure propaganda. Which scientist did they use? Gore? Greta Thunberg? Read this:

Whether most scientists outside climatology believe that global warming is happening is less relevant than whether the climatologists do. A letter signed by over 50 leading members of the American Meteorological Society warned about the policies promoted by environmental pressure groups. “The policy initiatives derive from highly uncertain scientific theories. They are based on the unsupported assumption that catastrophic global warming follows from the burning of fossil fuel and requires immediate action. We do not agree.”2 Those who have signed the letter represent the overwhelming majority of climate change scientists in the United States, of whom there are about 60. McMichael and Haines quote the 1995 report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which is widely believed to “prove” that climate change induced by humans has occurred.3 The original draft document did not say this. What happened was that the policymakers’ summary (which became the “take home message” for politicians) altered the conclusions of the scientists. This led Dr Frederick Seitz, former head of the United States National Academy of Sciences, to write, “In more than sixty years as a member of the American scientific community ... I have never witnessed a more disturbing corruption of the peer-review process than the events that led to this IPCC report.”4

Wow, 50 out of a total membership of over 13000 and we're supposed to be impressed ❓🤣🤣🤣

Susan1717 05-21-2023 06:02 AM

Since countries such as China and where much of our oil is coming from have such substandard facilities, and add in the footprint to ship all these resources to our country…. For global climate health wouldn’t it make more sense to bring back as much as possible to our country to be more independent and control the situations? Now, add in war possibilities etc; it makes even more sense to have as much control over what we utilize. Battery driven items such as cars are not as climate friendly as we are lead and make us that much more dependent on other countries. There are also way too many situations where an electric car would be impossible!! What about those millions in large condos where there would be no way to provide as many charging stations needed to say a 300 unit building. Or also, oeopke living in large cities that must use street parking?

Normal 05-21-2023 06:07 AM

Common Sense
 
When discussing climate (long span) many confuse it with the term weather (short span). Regardless, the politicians go for opinion on the “cause”, because it is where they can gain points. What a shame.

Real science looks at the reasons our Earth continues to warm and cool many times over. Yes, dinosaurs roamed the Earth when it underwent one of its warmer times, and yes, we have gone through several ice ages too. Those facts aren’t disputed by the rational. The reasons are explained in many ways, but most agree it has to do with the Earth’s elliptical orbital movement around the sun.

Alas, solving the frustration seems pointless. Neanderthals in cognitive ability point to the Cuyahoga catching fire or we have cleaner air now, and then build their premises to shaking us all down. I’d rather not contribute to either, and instead save my money for groceries.

GizmoWhiskers 05-21-2023 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2219374)
Find out why during a talk called "The Dangerous EPA Endangerment Finding" on May 22 at 1 PM at the Bridgeport Recreation Center, for the Science & Technology club. While our weather is innocent, how it's viewed is not.

I'm going to go out on an infraction clickbait limb for some and say:

Cool, will we be discussing global weather geoengineering at all?

NoMo50 05-21-2023 06:20 AM

Follow the money. Always...follow the money.

Notsocrates 05-21-2023 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Bertram00 (Post 2219528)
Wow, 50 out of a total membership of over 13000 and we're supposed to be impressed ❓🤣🤣🤣

How many contemporaries agreed with Galileo?

Notsocrates 05-21-2023 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bertram00 (Post 2219528)
Wow, 50 out of a total membership of over 13000 and we're supposed to be impressed ❓🤣🤣🤣

How many contemporaries agreed with Galileo?
Science us either valid or not.
It's not a popularity contest

mntlblok 05-21-2023 07:05 AM

Villages Discussion Groups
 
Had wondered whether something like this existed here. Thanks to this post, I now know. Cool!

Villages Discussion Groups

There goes my chance to learn Mahjong. :-)

Taltarzac725 05-21-2023 07:26 AM

I like the Weather Channel. They actually have people with meteorological degrees.

Marine1974 05-21-2023 07:28 AM

It’s all about getting your $$$$ , you can’t fix it .

Marine1974 05-21-2023 07:30 AM

They who say they can fix it are only after your $$$$ .

sounding 05-21-2023 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2219576)
I like the Weather Channel. They actually have people with meteorological degrees.

Michael Mann lost a climate change lawsuit - and he has many weather degrees.

ThirdOfFive 05-21-2023 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2219374)
Find out why during a talk called "The Dangerous EPA Endangerment Finding" on May 22 at 1 PM at the Bridgeport Recreation Center, for the Science & Technology club. While our weather is innocent, how it's viewed is not.

Read a story once about how a community of fleas arranged a committee to explore ways to control the dog.

sounding 05-21-2023 08:09 AM

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I like the Weather Channel. They actually have people with meteorological degrees.

Not all Meteorological degrees are properly used. For example, here is one of many examples of bad science on the Weather Channel's website.

Regorp 05-21-2023 08:14 AM

Weather
 
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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2219374)
Find out why during a talk called "The Dangerous EPA Endangerment Finding" on May 22 at 1 PM at the Bridgeport Recreation Center, for the Science & Technology club. While our weather is innocent, how it's viewed is not.

Global warming is a myth. Earth has gone through many changes during its life and now man has given it a name. Cavemen called it "ugh". It is all the cycle of life.

rogerk 05-21-2023 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2219397)
Especially when many facts are ignored for the purpose of pushing an agenda of denying global warming.

And Vice Versa

ThirdOfFive 05-21-2023 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Regorp (Post 2219605)
Global warming is a myth. Earth has gone through many changes during its life and now man has given it a name. Cavemen called it "ugh". It is all the cycle of life.

Well, it may be a myth, but it surely is a great way of controlling the gullible.

Johnsocat 05-21-2023 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Bertram00 (Post 2219528)
Wow, 50 out of a total membership of over 13000 and we're supposed to be impressed ❓🤣🤣🤣

It worked when 51 previous Intel officials wrote a letter...

Taltarzac725 05-21-2023 09:24 AM

Evidence | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

Tell that to NASA!

Taltarzac725 05-21-2023 09:47 AM

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If you are not a scientist, and you disagree with scientists about science, it’s actually not a disagreement. You're just wrong. Science is not truth. Science is finding the truth. When science changes its opinion, it didn't lie to you. It learned more.
This above is by Mohamad Safa.

There are huge changes in the history of science but those usually are because of new ways of looking at the world due to contact with other ways of approaching facts. Galileo, Darwin, Einstein, etc. Ideas that made the modern world - from Galileo to Einstein and Fibonacci to Darwin | Christie's

Larchap49 05-21-2023 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2219436)
You weren't supposed to spot the (not so well ) hidden agenda. They would like us to believe they can Make America's Weather Great Again by abusing the science and denying the truth.

Climate change has been going on for millions of years before man kind and will continue after we are gone. Stop listening to the propaganda and research the real independent studies and their findings. While the pundits point to a few receding glaciers in the north the ive pack in the south grows at unprecedented amounts.

Larchap49 05-21-2023 11:21 AM

Climate Change
 
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Originally Posted by Susan1717 (Post 2219533)
Since countries such as China and where much of our oil is coming from have such substandard facilities, and add in the footprint to ship all these resources to our country…. For global climate health wouldn’t it make more sense to bring back as much as possible to our country to be more independent and control the situations? Now, add in war possibilities etc; it makes even more sense to have as much control over what we utilize. Battery driven items such as cars are not as climate friendly as we are lead and make us that much more dependent on other countries. There are also way too many situations where an electric car would be impossible!! What about those millions in large condos where there would be no way to provide as many charging stations needed to say a 300 unit building. Or also, oeopke living in large cities that must use street parking?

Also take a look around you. How many everyday items disappear if fossil fuel use stops. Almost everything you can see or touch. All plastics, most synthetic fabrics, your car electric or not reduced to a pile of scrap metal, oh no That's right metal could not be produced without fossil fuel. Pavement for the roads and the equipment to make and install it, food production and packaging, and on and on. Be careful what you wish for. Also all components of mining raw materials and producing components and transporting the raw materials and the finished product are diesel powered. Even the glasses sitting on your nose allowing you to read this disappear without fossil fuel production. Just saying

sounding 05-21-2023 11:45 AM

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Climate change has been going on for millions of years before man kind and will continue after we are gone. Stop listening to the propaganda and research the real independent studies and their findings. While the pundits point to a few receding glaciers in the north the ive pack in the south grows at unprecedented amounts.

The current 7-year global cooling trend is a good example of global warming you will never hear about on the Weather Channel.

Two Bills 05-21-2023 11:55 AM

Our Weather Is Innocent

Prisons are full of innocent people as well.

Bill14564 05-21-2023 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2219678)
The current 7-year global cooling trend is a good example of global warming you will never hear about on the Weather Channel.

Because it isn’t true as explained many times before. Please leave the data analysis to those who have a clue.

TeresaE 05-21-2023 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2219397)
Especially when many facts are ignored for the purpose of pushing an agenda of denying global warming.

I’m so tired of this narrative. It’s the premise that climate change is man made, specifically by carbon emissions, that many of us question. There is plenty of science that disproves the premise. In stead of a healthy debate we have knee jerk reactions that become government policy. So now we’re ripping apart the rainforests to mine lithium for batteries to power electric vehicles. How does that make sense?

Taltarzac725 05-21-2023 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TeresaE (Post 2219706)
I’m so tired of this narrative. It’s the premise that climate change is man made, specifically by carbon emissions, that many of us question. There is plenty of science that disproves the premise. In stead of a healthy debate we have knee jerk reactions that become government policy. So now we’re ripping apart the rainforests to mine lithium for batteries to power electric vehicles. How does that make sense?

Show us that science. I have seen very little genuine theories refuting global warming. Lots of junk science though.

sounding 05-21-2023 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2219714)
Show us that science. I have seen very little genuine theories refuting global warming. Lots of junk science though.

Oh but global warming is real -- we are still thawing out from the Little Ice Age -- and there's nothing anyone can do about it except to enjoy the ride.

Vermilion Villager 05-21-2023 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bertram00 (Post 2219528)
Wow, 50 out of a total membership of over 13000 and we're supposed to be impressed ❓🤣🤣🤣

Exactly!!!! Cherry picking on steroids!!!!

Vermilion Villager 05-21-2023 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Regorp (Post 2219605)
Global warming is a myth. Earth has gone through many changes during its life and now man has given it a name. Cavemen called it "ugh". It is all the cycle of life.

You know they have ways of proving everything you just wrote is wrong don't you?

Vermilion Villager 05-21-2023 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Larchap49 (Post 2219670)
Also take a look around you. How many everyday items disappear if fossil fuel use stops. Almost everything you can see or touch. All plastics, most synthetic fabrics, your car electric or not reduced to a pile of scrap metal, oh no That's right metal could not be produced without fossil fuel. Pavement for the roads and the equipment to make and install it, food production and packaging, and on and on. Be careful what you wish for. Also all components of mining raw materials and producing components and transporting the raw materials and the finished product are diesel powered. Even the glasses sitting on your nose allowing you to read this disappear without fossil fuel production. Just saying

So whats your answer when the fossil fuels finally do stop? :confused: And please don't play the I'll be dead by then card

Vermilion Villager 05-21-2023 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TeresaE (Post 2219706)
I’m so tired of this narrative. It’s the premise that climate change is man made, specifically by carbon emissions, that many of us question. There is plenty of science that disproves the premise. In stead of a healthy debate we have knee jerk reactions that become government policy. So now we’re ripping apart the rainforests to mine lithium for batteries to power electric vehicles. How does that make sense?

Oh so now you're a tree hugger!!!!:1rotfl:
Tell me one rainforest those being ripped apart for lithium mines.........

Taltarzac725 05-21-2023 03:55 PM

6 Claims Made by Climate Change Skeptics—and How to Respond | Rainforest Alliance

It is like we should all freeze to death because we are in a naturally occurring ice age not caused by all the pollution we have put in the air over the past 200 years or so.

sounding 05-21-2023 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2219732)
6 Claims Made by Climate Change Skeptics—and How to Respond | Rainforest Alliance

It is like we should all freeze to death because we are in a naturally occurring ice age not caused by all the pollution we have put in the air over the past 200 years or so.

The answer to all questions is easy ... they changed the name from Global Warming to Climate Change ... because they know what's coming.

Keefelane66 05-21-2023 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2219722)
Oh so now you're a tree hugger!!!!:1rotfl:
Tell me one rainforest those being ripped apart for lithium mines.........

Brazilian forests are or have been clear cut for sugarcane in ethanol production not for lithium


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