Florida Oks use of radioactive waste to pave roads
 

DeSantis signs bill allowing new roads to be built with mining waste linked to cancer | The Hill

What will they think of next?

Of course the contractor who "wins" the bid to do the job will be charging extra for the hazardous duty work. All courtesy of the taxpayers.

But if the roads glow in the dark, it will be quite a savings on electricity for street lights :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Personally I try to follow the Paul Harvey method of examination BEFORE I come to a final conclusion. The headline states the Governor signs..... true, but, what does that really mean ? The bill was put before him by "we the people" through making our desires KNOWN to our elected representatives.... the process in a democratic republic. A governor, a president, can't control the process. That's point #1. Point #2 would be, has this "hazardous" risk been evaluated and found to be as low a level as, for instance, the airport and courthouse security we pass through daily ? The cell phone and microwave radiation we keep in our house or pocket 365 days a year ? The low dose radiation we get from our granite counter tops that is a natural occurrence ? This is what is upsetting about "media", headlines, and even posts of social chat sites like this: is this post meant to ALARM other villagers, without giving factual support to the supposition that this is a significant happening ? Does anyone know if the actual crushed rock used NOW in highway construction contains none of the natural radiation like tiles, granite counter tops, flag stone patios, etc. do ? If I knew all the answers and percentages for all of these things, I'd be better prepared to react to this post... and perhaps, be angry at our state legislators who did this. But, there is a LOT, I am sure, of the "rest of the story", so for now, not going to let my emotions (which are naturally cautious about these things) overcome my ability to analyze based on facts. At present, I am more concerned that our way of disposing of everything here in the Villages and surrounding area, by burning everything from plastics to house hold batteries, to who knows what else (don't think each bag is inspected before being put into the giant incinerator) ? Not sure "scrubbers" actually remove all carcinogens ? Another thought that came to mind, is the hazardous material approved for paving more, or less, dangerous than the utility meters attached to our homes, and the fire and carbon monoxide alarms in nearly every room ? Again, that's rhetorical, don't know all the answers to those questions. But, how many people will read that headline and think, "oh that horrible horrible evil man (a governor of any state), when it's actually "we the people" whose representatives proposed this because it was the majority of the people who want this ! Any governor of any state could be personally violently opposed to this, or any other bill, but thankfully that is not how our form was government works !

Right on point! Ever notice how any law that a certain group opposes is automatically referred to in the media and by acolytes as "the chief executive's" as if he unilaterally wrote it, passed it and signed it, but those that the same group is in favor of is reported as "the will of the people"

And the EV owners are hoping the road will somehow charge their vehicles for free while driving.

Drinking urine...........oh wait, Astronauts are doing that.

DeSantis, a 2024 GOP presidential candidate, hasn’t commented. Tampa-based fertilizer giant Mosaic, which pushed the legislation, is seeking federal approval to test phosphogypsum, which the Tampa Bay Times noted “could pave the way — literally — for phosphogypsum use in American roads.”


Follow the money…………….

But, but....

Didn't you read the end of post #4? It's "we the people" who wanted this. We voted for our representatives and they vote for what they know the majority of us want. The Gov simply went along with what he knew we wanted.

It would be interesting to see the science on this. Just how much radiation will be added to what we are already exposed to.

Not that easy “ The bill was put before him (legislature) by "we the people" through making our desires KNOWN to our elected representatives....”
The producer Mosaic lobbied the state legislature to incorporate an unsaleable waste product in a building material but I guess you can say corporations are people too.

To the tune of providing a $25,000 fund raiser for those who supported the bill, we the people…balderdash!

And he's the only person running fundraisers??????

Never let pesky facts get in the way of bashing the governor. Come on man!

Oh, are there more paying for the bills passage?

I’m guessing this thread is on borrowed time.:jester:

Glowing roads to drive on. Nuclear powered cars. And new body parts springing out of your body as you cruise to grandma's new home in The Villages on Islamorada. Wish I could live to see it with all three sets of eyes.

Gee I wonder if there is a reasonable explanation for this....naaa couldn't be, sounds like DeSantis is trying to give us all cancer.

So, this article provides no context. For example, how many rem/hr exposure can be expected and how much above ambient levels is this? Lazy journalism.

Well said. Thank you for the thoughtful insight. Unlike most on TOTV

Good grief! Have any of you read the bill? Here's, verbatim, the first seven lines of it:

An act relating to the use of phosphogypsum; amending
3 s. 336.044, F.S.; authorizing the Department of
4 Transportation to undertake demonstration projects
5 using phosphogypsum in road construction aggregate
6 material to determine its feasibility as a paving
7 material;

It's a feasibility study, not an authorization for use.

That's funny!

Thanks for pointing this out. My understanding is that the radioactivity is like radon, which many people have coming from their basements into their house, thus the need for radon mitigation systems.

In this case, it would be totally out in the open air, so the hazard should be mitigated. But, a study is a good idea, and if successful, would allow a waste product to be utilized vs landfilled/otherwise processed.

So a good thing.

Actually read the facts instead of sponging up fake news, now that is brilliant!

Danger--- Will Robinson---danger!!!!!

enjoy your "vacation" :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[QUOTE=Pairadocs;2230836]Personally I try to follow the Paul Harvey method of examination BEFORE I come to a final conclusion. The headline states the Governor signs..... true, but, what does that really mean ? The bill was put before him by "we the people" through making our desires KNOWN to our elected representatives.... the process in a democratic republic. A governor, a president, can't control the process. That's point #1. Point #2 would be, has this "hazardous" risk been evaluated and found to be as low a level as, for instance, the airport and courthouse security we pass through daily ? The cell phone and microwave radiation we keep in our house or pocket 365 days a year ? The low dose radiation we get from our granite counter tops that is a natural occurrence ? This is what is upsetting about "media", headlines, and even posts of social chat sites like this: is this post meant to ALARM other villagers, without giving factual support to the supposition that this is a significant happening ? Does anyone know if the actual crushed rock used NOW in highway construction contains none of the natural radiation like tiles, granite counter tops, flag stone patios, etc. do ? If I knew all the answers and percentages for all of these things, I'd be better prepared to react to this post... and perhaps, be angry at our state legislators who did this. But, there is a LOT, I am sure, of the "rest of the story", so for now, not going to let my emotions (which are naturally cautious about these things) overcome my ability to analyze based on facts. At present, I am more concerned that our way of disposing of everything here in the Villages and surrounding area, by burning everything from plastics to house hold batteries, to who knows what else (don't think each bag is inspected before being put into the giant incinerator) ? Not sure "scrubbers" actually remove all carcinogens ? Another thought that came to mind, is the hazardous material approved for paving more, or less, dangerous than the utility meters attached to our homes, and the fire and carbon monoxide alarms in nearly every room ? Again, that's rhetorical, don't know all the answers to those questions. But, how many people will read that headline and think, "oh that horrible horrible evil man (a governor of any state), when it's actually "we the people" whose representatives proposed this because it was the majority of the people who want this ! Any governor of any state could be personally violently opposed to this, or any other bill, but thankfully that is not how our form was government works ![/QUOTE

Have you even read what is happening in this state? The super majority does whatever the out of control gov wants. For example, the wild wild west bill that changed the need for permits for carrying a gun. UGH, all the crazies will be carrying guns here and there is no way to stop it. Lots of cops will die but they still support him.

[QUOTE=allsport;2230972]See post #25

Plus, this thread is now on life support

Some people can’t resist

NO POLITICAL POSTS!!!

Yes, a feasibility study..that they all read right past. Just like most, only reading drama laced headlines. I read the news source and just shook my head...and found my gain of salt.

Guess I'll need to take roads off my dinner menu...

This material is stored in open air stacks all around central Florida. If it was that hazardous why would the EPA allow this?

The problem with a lot of posts is that they are political based depending on which party is involved. This thread is a prime example.

That said, I believer there is legitimate reason to criticize the Governor for signing of HB637 which severely restricts direct vehicle sales to consumers.

But the Democrats were in on it too. Can we be bipartisan and slam both parties?

House Bill 637 (2023) - The Florida Senate

It is a feasibility study using demonstration projects. What does "demonstration project" mean to you? I can think of a few "demonstration projects":

1. Widening 75 from WIldwood to Ocala would be a nice demonstration project
2. Widening 301 from Sumterville through Wildwood would be a nice demonstration project
3. Partnering with a developer and using the material in their next phase would be a nice demonstration project
4. Converting a plant to use the new material and then using that for all the projects in 2024 would be a nice demonstration project.

When I read "demonstration project" I get the impression that the author wanted me to imagine a few spots in the Gov's parking lot when in reality what was meant was a green light to do whatever they want under the umbrella of "feasibility study."

The majority of the people want stricter gun laws and freedom for women to choose what they do with their own bodies, but these lawmakers are not listening to "We The People".

[QUOTE=Dotneko;2230870]Never let pesky facts get in the way of bashing the governor. Come on man![/QUOTE]
Lol! Tis the (silly) season, after all.

Did they actually say that it is RADIOACTIVE waste?
A while back, some roads were being paved with waste material left over from coal fueled power plants. Just saying. Cinders, I believe.
Before everyone panics, does anyone really think that EPA would allow dangerous materials to be used?
Oh well, this makes for a great discussion.

"...that will allow new roads in the state to be built with “radioactive” mining waste that has been linked to cancer." I wonder if this will cause health issues equal to or any more than the water we drink, sodas, alcohol, preservatives in our food, construction materials, automotive fuels, plastics used as food containers, etc. Seems to me that folks are living longer than ever, which many exceeding a hundred years. Surprising how anyone lives as long as they do with all this STRESS they contend with.

Another attempt to discredit DeSantis. Here's the real story on phosphogypsum. Be sure to check out the next to last paragraph.

Phosphogypsum is a byproduct of the phosphate fertilizer production process. It is a solid waste material that is generated when phosphate rock is treated with sulfuric acid to produce phosphoric acid, which is then used to manufacture various phosphate fertilizers.

Phosphogypsum contains various impurities, including heavy metals, radionuclides, and phosphoric acid residues. As a result, it is considered an environmental concern due to its potential for groundwater contamination and the release of harmful substances.

Due to these environmental concerns, the disposal and management of phosphogypsum can be challenging. One common practice is to store it in large containment areas called "gypsum stacks" or "stacks." These stacks are designed to contain the phosphogypsum and prevent its release into the surrounding environment. However, the long-term management of these stacks remains a topic of ongoing research and regulatory oversight.

Efforts are being made to find alternative uses for phosphogypsum to minimize its environmental impact. Some potential applications include using it as a construction material, soil amendment, or raw material for various industrial processes. However, these applications require careful consideration to ensure that the potential risks associated with phosphogypsum are properly managed.

It's worth noting that the specific regulations and practices regarding phosphogypsum disposal and utilization may vary between countries and regions.

People always Jump to Conclusions before they know all the Facts and if what they hear is True or not. Fact the ground emits Radon Gas all the time and it is only dangerous if it is at high levels over a long period of time in a confined space. Not sure what is going into the road material but it will not be harmful to you driving down the road in your Car.

Since most rocks have small quantities of Radon and other low level contaminates, I think you have more to worry about your granite counter tops.

Does that really surprise any intelligent person who can see through Mini-Me? Pathetic human being and wanna be!