Getting even more disgusted....
 

I generally watch WFTV (ABC affiliate) in the morning for local news and weather. I have no idea about other stations, but for the last 2 weeks they have been pushing harder than ever their narrative of high temperatures. This morning they claimed that we have substantially higher temps than normal, and used the terms "unprecedented", and "dangerous". What is insidious is their use of "heat index" almost to the exclusion of actual temperatures so they can put triple number digits on their map. No comparison of these "heat indices" with past values are given.

OK, actual high temps in the Villages 7/27-8/3----94,96,95,96,96,98,96 avg 95.86
Oh, wait a minute, that was LAST year
This year, same dates---89,90,96,97,91,95,93 avg 93.00 or 2.86 deg COOLER
This is what the weatherman claimed is "substantially higher than usual". So I'm calling BS on that.
I can only assume that the news media has access to more complete temperature data than those numbers I just pulled off the accuweather website, so clearly they are LYING TO US. Why???? Is there an agenda at work here?

Meanwhile, pretty much all of Central Florida is under a heat advisory, which the weatherman stated was unusual. True, there was no heat advisory this time last year when it was 2.86 degrees WARMER. So why is that?

Well, heat advisories are issued by the National Weather Service, a division of NOAA which falls under the Department of Commerce, lead by a cabinet level secretary.
So, here is what they are doing:
"Today, U.S. Commerce Secretary Gina M. Raimondo announced funding opportunities from NOAA's $2.96 billion in Infrastructure Law funds to address the climate crisis and strengthen coastal resilience and infrastructure. Over the next five years, NOAA’s targeted investments in the areas of habitat restoration, coastal resilience, and climate data and services will advance ongoing federal efforts toward building climate resilience.

Looks like they're getting plenty of media support for their "efforts"

Draw your own conclusions, but IMHO it appears that reporting temps as heat indices, issuing heat advisories when it is actually cooler than last year, and Good Morning America's lead story every day on the weather serves to push the continuing false narrative of "global warming", for which a few figure to profit immensely.

Addendum: This morning's GMA story is about a glacier they hunted for that is melting at an "unprecedented" rate. Probably true, but there are other glaciers that are growing. And in another 40,000 years those glaciers will grow 2 miles of ice over much of the Northern Hemisphere.

Your grandchildren are just going to love the world we're leaving for them.

Socially and politically I have no idea. But in terms of climate it will be no different in the next 5-10,000 years than it has been in the last 5-10,000, barring a substantial asteroid impact

if you say it long enough it becomes fact

how fables and fairy tales are created

I am sure that if we throw Billions/Trillions of dollars at "the climate," we will be just fine.

If it gets hot enough the dinosaurs may return:angel:

Try comparing the long range forecasts with actual measurements. Talking about early spring time reports that the upcoming summer will be so much hotter than previous years.
That's been wrong for years. If they were all correct, then our summer highs would be 140deg by now.
There's big money in global warming.

Who knows? It's possible. But it will probably take another 65 million years. Meanwhile, the anthropogenic climate change advocates with their agenda (which generally translates to $$$) want to convince you that our grandchildren will die from the heat. (After all, cashing in on this false narrative in 65 million years is not what they are aiming for)

"It's not the heat, it's the humidity."

It's actually both. I've been in 100+ temps in Az where the humidity was low - it felt pretty comfortable. In Md where we get 80-90 degree temps but a high humidity it felt terrible. Here in Fl it is usually somewhere in between.

Have you found a site that gives both temperature and humidity measurements for each day in 2021, 2022, and 2023? Post the link and I'll get the heat index numbers for late July and early August so we can compare apples to apples.

But you can't ignore the value of hysteria either. I remember not so long ago when we heard forecasts of hurricanes about to hit or tropical storms about to become hurricanes. Now we hear forecasts of tropical disturbances that might become tropical depressions that might become tropical storms that might become hurricanes that might come close to the States. No one really cares if it's warm again today but if they can announce the EXTREMELY HEAT DANGER then they get viewers and can sell advertising.

I am not clever enough to agree or refute the climate argument.
All I know is that in my lifetime the UK winters have been slowly getting less severe.
Summers have been summers, some good, some not so good.
This year has been crap. Rain and lower temps prevail.
Funny thing is, our BBC weather which is very pro-global warming, has mainly reported on extreme temps in other countries to bang their drum, as apposed to our own more normal and cooler temps.
I still can't see how it is 'our fault' the weather/climate is changing due to emissions, as when I was a kid the air was foul, thick Smog, smoke, lead filled car exhausts etc. whilst now it is basically clear and seems fine.
I still see the changes as a natural phenomenon, not a man made situation.
Sad thing is, I will never know which side of the argument is correct!

But, but, but...... The narrative they are cramming down your throat is that global warming is due to human activity specifically burning fossil fuels. But we have been warming (in the current cycle) for 20,000 years.

I have issued this challenge numerous times to the acolytes of those who would profit from monies spent on "climate change": What make and model of SUV did Fred Flintstone drive???

Not exactly. Warming (and cooling) has been occurring for millions of years (as some on here constantly point out). However, the *rate* of warming has increased as the world has increased its use of fossil fuels. It is that increase in rate that the climatologists are worried about.

[QUOTE=golfing eagles;2242345]I generally watch /QUOTE]

Whoa there! If watching makes you disgusted, switch to the golf channel. No sense getting your guts in an uproar over stuff you just don't get. Stick with golf and medical science and you'll be fine.

Yep. But, some just can't (or won't) grasp the notion.

[QUOTE=fdpaq0580;2242404]Half right. Believe me, I GET it. But at least golf is what it is, climate change is what those who would profit WANT it to be. But they can't do it alone, so they need to recruit the masses to buy into their false narrative, to vote to combat it, and to spend trillions on it, while they laugh all the way to the bank.

OK, want to play?? I'll play.

Let's say you're right, and we are accelerating the current cycle of global warming that began 20,000 years ago. You're not disputing that the planet started to warm 20,000 years ago, are you, because that would be inane.

And let's also assume you are not disputing that we are currently in an ice age, are you? Because the geologic definition of an ice age is a period when Earth's pole are covered in ice. So it would be equally inane to dispute that.

And thirdly, I'll assume you are aware that during the past 4 1/2 million years of our current ice age there have been cycles of glaciation and interglacial thaws that have run about 70-120,000 years in length.

With me so far? You should be, since the above are just simply the FACTS.

So, back to human activity accelerating this process:

Since we have been warming for 20,000 years, and many times before that in previous cycles, what is the cause of all this warming PRIOR to humans burning fossil fuels? Best science suggests a combination of variations in Earth's orbit and changes in our axis, and of course the immense power of the sun.

Perhaps you should also be aware that the #1 greenhouse gas is NOT CO2 (which by the way is currently at a relatively LOW level) but water vapor. This is why the planet is about 10 degrees COOLER than when the dinosaurs roamed about---the rise of high mountains in the Rocky and Himalayan plateaus act as a heat sink by removing water vapor from the atmosphere.

So now we get to the point where opinion and speculation enter, since we simply don't have enough hard data to make logical conclusions. The climate change advocates want you to believe that some data scraped together from WEATHER records of the last 10,20,50,100 years explain the last 4 1/2 million years and predict the near and distant climate future. Does that make sense to anyone???? It simply isn't enough data for long enough time to draw any conclusions. You also have to believe that burning some fossil fuels and increasing CO2 in the atmosphere, which is already low, will somehow negate and overcome the power of the sun, Earth's orbit and axis changes. I don't think can change it all that much.

So lastly, assuming that all the facts and science that I just laid out is wrong and your opinion is right, what do you suggest we do about it??? How should we spend the $100 TRILLION that they want to spend over the next 50 years, bankrupting the world???? What technology do we have that will negate those immense forces that are driving climate change??? Switch to EVs that get 80% of their energy from fossil fuels instead of 100%? BFD. More solar and wind power??? Drop in the bucket.

Bottom line: The whole narrative is a scam, propagated by a few who stand to make substantial profit, and further promoted by those who simply don't know better---jumpers on the bandwagon, secondary gainers, or they just think it's "cool" or in line with their political leanings.

Climate change = money

Regardless of all of the discussion, my home insurance premiums are rising much faster than inflation. Capitalism seems to either be working or not.

15 insurance companies decided to leave Florida in the last year. They say they did that because they find the market unprofitable

Right on topic :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Let's employ common sense here. I know, seems almost impossible. I don't dismiss that changes are occurring in an ever increasing populated world and as countries industrialize but I do look back at all of the alarmist theories over the last 30-50 years and see that very few predictions actually occurred. The Climate Change Agenda is a business, both a Political Agenda and a Profit Agenda. They sensationalize Climate Change, get the media to buy-in and the masses convinced the environment as we know it will drastically change and life on earth will suffer immeasurably Well, let's look again as historical evidence. Change has occurred throughout history and these times are no different, Earth and us will survive as we have for centuries.

This is a great forum. I am in awe just reading these posts. Everyone here is either a genius scientist or a genius lawyer. By the way, stay away from windmills, they cause cancer.

Living is easy with eyes closed

Yes, thank you.

Just wondering, is that statement the "P" word!!!!

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Find it hard to believe in a vast conspiracy to create an illusion about global warming.

Real conspiracies usually involve a small number of people who are acting for their own benefit.

Medical care =money. Transportation =money. Food, shelter, clothing = money. Golf = money.
Right now, I am looking at the need for medical treatment for a potentially life threatening disease. It is going to cost me, one way or the other. I know I will spend the money. You might make a different choice. Ether way, someone will profit.

It's hardly the same thing, and you (or at least you should) know it

I was born and raised right here in central florida. Have been to Disney more times than I can count and last week was the first time I’ve ever seen the inside of the first aid building, or had to be wheeled there due to heat exhaustion at 11:30 in the morning. I’m in my 50’s and in good health. It was hot!! Too hot! I asked the employees how long they have to work outside and they said one hour is the max then they switch and go in.

Sorry that happened to you. But surely you are not suggesting that your one isolated personal experience is reflective of the last 4 1/2 million years of cyclical climate change.

I dunno. I just know it's getting easier and easier to maintain my tan.

Never before has there been such a large audience. The media’s, both social and mainstream, only goal is to sensationalize every event. Everything now is exaggerated and larger than life in order to grab market share. It’s not news anymore it is theater whoever makes it most exciting wins.

Remember, the thermometer with a standardized scale is only about 125 -150 years old. So even the medieval warming period has no temp readings.

Linear extrapolation is way beyond acceptable mathematics standards

I do not find that even slightly true. There are "news" providers that do that quite a lot but they are entertainers and are seen by media critics as just that. They were called yellow journalists in the past. And they do mainly just push stuff that is outlandish and often just plain false.

It’s very true. One of my neighbors knows a meteorologist who told him that they are told to make their reports attention grabbing to boost ratings and advertising sales.

I think either extreme perception is disingenuous toward its opposite. "The sky is falling" is scare-mongering, and bad. "Everything is fine, carry on as usual" is denial, and bad.

I don't think we are /causing/ climate change. The climate changes, it has changed, it will change, whether we exist or not.

I do think we are /contributing to/ climate change. We are changing the geographical composition of our planet through building, drilling, creating cavities in the earth where they hadn't previously existed, taking that earth we've just dug out and placed it in piles somewhere else. Removed fossil fuels, and then burned them so they are no longer 'in' the planet but are now in the atmosphere, in changed form, instead. Polluted the land and seas, causing death to entire species of animals and by extension, upset the food chain. We've razed wilderness and planted produce, synthesized chemicals to keep insects from eating the food, which then poisons whatever animals eat those insects, and so on and so forth.

That is all things we, as a species, have done. We do it more and more, and we are slowly /contributing/ to the destruction of our planet. The planet will die eventually, as all planets eventually do. But we are helping to speed up its inevitable death. At this point, in my opinion, we can only hope that our species dies, or that we find a new planet to occupy, build on, and help destroy, before our planet dies.

Just got my thermostat monthly report up north for June, heat on 15 more hours and cooling on 6 hours less than June 2022. Fact 1. Latest recorded 90 deg day July 5th 2023 since 2012.
Fact 2. Only 90 deg day this year, normally 8 to 10 by now.
North American oscillation.

Well, if we ARE causing the so-called Climate Change, then I wish we would do it faster. I'd like to see warmer winters up North so I could move back to a mountain area. I like the mountains and I like hot weather. So, keep it up.....if true. Personally, I am siding with those that say that man must be pretty arrogant to believe they can control the weather.
Brings back a memory of an incident in the early '70's when I was working up on the roof of a newly being constructed power plant. The reported temperature was 104 degrees and some of the other crews were knocking off due to the heat. We were continuing to work and even had to rest our power tools in the shade at times to cool them off. They were too hot to handle, even with gloves. I took my shirt off and an OSHA rep ordered me to put my shirt back on or he was going to fine me $50 and make me go home. That happened up North. Of course, many of us did not have A/C in our homes or vehicles in those days. Maybe some folks are just getting so spoiled that they cannot tolerate simple changes in their environment? One thing I know for a fact, the air is cleaner today than it was when I was a child. Cities were so polluted at one time that there were days when you could not see the top of buildings.

I do think the climate is changing. A long time ago Kansas was covered in thick ice. About 20,000 years ago, a vast ice sheet called the Laurentide covered much of North America, blanketing Canada and parts of the U.S. with a wall of ice as much as two miles thick. Actually I think the earth's climate has been changing for as long as it has had an atmosphere. Are we causing these changes? No, utter hubris. Are people making money off of climate alarmism? Oh yes. Are they hoping to achieve power & other goals? Definite yes. As regards Golfing Eagles news, the mainstream media have become immensely unreliable. Of course we can always rely on them to gin up alarm, because that sells.

absolutely they do it, even the sources you trust over others . . and there are proven reasons why the negative weather is exaggerated, 1 being NOAA lost a lawsuit for not emphasizing the danger of a storm and then some people losing lives, quite awhile ago. Making watching have a more enjoyable day, if the chance of negative weather, playing to human survival biases, emphasize the negative more, and then when it doesn't materialize, people have a better day!

There are so many subtle ways media influences readers/watchers with both included and excluded stories, as well as slants with presentation, words and phrases and data. . your subconscious picks up on most of it, the conscious not so much unless you are on the lookout for it. .

I think the quote you provided answers the question more than adequately.

Somewhat the same thing happened--in reverse in Minnesota some time back. Up there, we had a something called a "Canadian high". A Canadian High is a wintertime phenomenon: they usually follow a period of snow and low pressure; sometimes blizzards, sometimes not. They're characterized by cold temperatures, bright blue skies, and varying degrees of wind. Canadian highs were welcome; it gave us good weather to plow out driveways, get the kids outside after a few days cooped up inside while the snowstorm lasted, etc.

Well, all of a sudden Canadian highs no longer existed. Instead, we now have "polar vortexes". Polar vortexes usually come with dire reports of falling temps, somber warnings to moms about how to keep junior bundled up if he absolutely HAD to be outside, things like that. Canadian highs were welcome. But according to the hoopla, polar vortexes were something to fear.

The weather service was questioned about it. They pretty much admitted to changing from Canadian high to polar vortex because "polar vortex" had more emotional punch.

Nothing like fear to control people.

Some advice for a hotter world.

How to Build Up Your Heat Tolerance for a Hotter World | Time