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JGibson 08-10-2023 07:04 AM

Barbeque grills next to the house.
 
My Airbnb neighbor has decided to put their grill a foot away from the side of my house and all the smoke and grease is on my side wall.

It's a CYV where my side wall is inside her fenced-in yard.

Before I ask them to move it closer to their house what are the rules for how close a grill can be to your neighbor's house or even your own house?

Keefelane66 08-10-2023 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by JGibson (Post 2243525)
My Airbnb neighbor has decided to put their grill a foot away from the side of my house and all the smoke and grease is on my side wall.

It's a CYV where my side wall is inside her fenced-in yard.

Before I ask them to move it closer to their house what are the rules for how close a grill can be to your neighbor's house or even your own house?

Contact Public Safety Fire Department.

mtdjed 08-10-2023 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Keefelane66 (Post 2243530)
Contact Public Safety Fire Department.

My neighbor back in Marblehead, MA actually had his house catch fire due to a grease fire in his grill. The house had wood siding.

Grease fires can be common due to buildup. I would feel very comfortable in requesting the neighbor to move it away from your house as a matter of "SAFETY".

DAVES 08-10-2023 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by JGibson (Post 2243525)
My Airbnb neighbor has decided to put their grill a foot away from the side of my house and all the smoke and grease is on my side wall.

It's a CYV where my side wall is inside her fenced-in yard.

Before I ask them to move it closer to their house what are the rules for how close a grill can be to your neighbor's house or even your own house?

I would contact the Villages Offices. They are helpful in these matters. They may even send a representative to speak to both you and the neighbor.

If, Air B nb. They are renting so you are not dealing with the property owner. Making the issue even more complex. Our previous home, not in Florida, we had the neighbors from hell buy the home next door to us. Part of the reason we moved after 40 years of enjoying the house and the neighborhood. So far, we've been lucky. There is always one but they are several houses away from us.

Two Bills 08-10-2023 08:24 AM

If the Air b&b has an absentee landlord, I would just move the thing against their wall.
Renter must have moved it if questions are raised.
Otherwise just ask nicely to remove it to their wall, as the thing is dirtying your siding, and is a fire risk.

MrFlorida 08-10-2023 08:27 AM

Move it yourself.

wisbad1 08-10-2023 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2243559)
If the Air b&b has an absentee landlord, I would just move the thing against their wall.
Renter must have moved it if questions are raised.
Otherwise just ask nicely to remove it to their wall, as the thing is dirtying your siding, and is a fire risk.

Put it on the street marked free!

GizmoWhiskers 08-11-2023 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MrFlorida (Post 2243561)
Move it yourself.

Yep!

skippy05 08-11-2023 05:54 AM

Call a realtor today and sell. There isn't any other way to be free of the Villages AirBnBs. They are destroying everything nice.

bogmonster 08-11-2023 05:55 AM

Or maybe just slip a dead rat in there. Might solve both the grill and Airbnb problem.

La lamy 08-11-2023 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by wisbad1 (Post 2243771)
Put it on the street marked free!

Not ideal suggestion but funny!

msilagy 08-11-2023 06:34 AM

Move it after the current tenants move out. Far away from the side of your home. Or ask them if you can move it. If they are nice they'll help you, if not you'll have to wait.

Ski Bum 08-11-2023 06:40 AM

I am a landlord. I had trouble with renters moving my grill up against the house. They did it because there was shade there. So maybe this landlord doesn't even know of the problem.

I eventually had to stake and chain mine in place.

JohnN 08-11-2023 07:09 AM

A few years back, my buddy set his house on fire with a BBQ grill next to the house.

Bill14564 08-11-2023 07:27 AM

Trespassing is never a good idea.

Look at your deed restrictions to see what rights you have. You may have some control over the use of the property next to your wall. You may also have rights to access that area.

Customer Service Center and/or the VPSD would be the best to contact regarding the rules.

retiredguy123 08-11-2023 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2243905)
Trespassing is never a good idea.

Look at your deed restrictions to see what rights you have. You may have some control over the use of the property next to your wall. You may also have rights to access that area.

Customer Service Center and/or the VPSD would be the best to contact regarding the rules.

The deed restrictions for a courtyard villa allow your neighbor to use the space between the houses, some of which is actually owned by you. It is called a sideyard easement. You have the right to get access to that area, but you need to provide prior notice. I don't see anything on the deed restriction document that would specifically prohibit a barbeque grill.

I would suggest that the OP contact the local Fire Department and request an official inspection of the house, with a written report, to determine if the grill poses a fire hazard, or if there are any rules regarding how close the grill can be to the exterior wall.

Vermilion Villager 08-11-2023 07:42 AM

You own more than you think.
 
Draw an imaginary line directly below the edge of your eaves of the roof to the ground. That is where the property line is. Everything below those eaves is your property even if it is inside the wall of the other property.

Veiragirl 08-11-2023 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by wisbad1 (Post 2243771)
put it on the street marked free!

excellant!!!

retiredguy123 08-11-2023 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2243923)
Draw an imaginary line directly below the edge of your eaves of the roof to the ground. That is where the property line is. Everything below those eaves is your property even if it is inside the wall of the other property.

That is not the way it works with a courtyard villa. Typically, courtyard villas are about 10 feet apart, and the property line is 5 feet from each exterior wall. But, because of the sideyard easement, described in the deed restriction document, and on the official property plat, the property owner on one side of the house and inside the fence has the right to use and to maintain the 10 foot area between the houses. The other property owner cannot dictate what the next door neighbor does in the easrment area as long as they don't violate any rules.

flower7330@gmail.com 08-11-2023 07:59 AM

When we rented a house in TV last fall there was a strict rule that you could not bring in or use an outside grill of any kind. This is from the TV home rental dept. They said that they had a few fires start when renters used grills. I'm sure that rule transfers to AirBnB renters.

Nana2Teddy 08-11-2023 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2243938)
That is not the way it works with a courtyard villa. Typically, courtyard villas are about 10 feet apart, and the property line is 5 feet from each exterior wall. But, because of the sideyard easement, described in the deed restriction document, and on the official property plat, the property owner on one side of the house and inside the fence has the right to use and to maintain the 10 foot area between the houses. The other property owner cannot dictate what the next door neighbor does in the easrment area as long as they don't violate any rules.

It’s the same with veranda homes, which we have.

retiredguy123 08-11-2023 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by flower7330@gmail.com (Post 2243952)
When we rented a house in TV last fall there was a strict rule that you could not bring in or use an outside grill of any kind. This is from the TV home rental dept. They said that they had a few fires start when renters used grills. I'm sure that rule transfers to AirBnB renters.

Note that The Villages does not have a home rental department, except for the lifestyle visits. Some people think that The Villages Hometown Property Management Company is owned by The Villages. It's not. That is a private company and not owned by The Villages.

MikeN 08-11-2023 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by JGibson (Post 2243525)
My Airbnb neighbor has decided to put their grill a foot away from the side of my house and all the smoke and grease is on my side wall.

It's a CYV where my side wall is inside her fenced-in yard.

Before I ask them to move it closer to their house what are the rules for how close a grill can be to your neighbor's house or even your own house?

If it’s that close to your home it’s on your property

retiredguy123 08-11-2023 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeN (Post 2243968)
If it’s that close to your home it’s on your property

See Post No. 19

Dantes 08-11-2023 08:16 AM

We are looking to move The Villages doesn’t have the hometown feel like it did. It’s becoming like any other city.

rtrav711 08-11-2023 08:51 AM

Rich
 
Just suggest you send them a letter...identifying the problem and advising you will have it cleaned and send them the bill. Secondly...would suggest you advise them you would be looking for damages should the side of your home catches fire. You may further suggest they can contact their insurance carrier for payment or reimbursement for the expenses. Appears to me they are legally responsible for any damages they cause to your home.

Vermilion Villager 08-11-2023 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2243973)
See Post No. 19

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Vermilion Villager 08-11-2023 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by JGibson (Post 2243525)
My Airbnb neighbor has decided to put their grill a foot away from the side of my house and all the smoke and grease is on my side wall.

It's a CYV where my side wall is inside her fenced-in yard.

Before I ask them to move it closer to their house what are the rules for how close a grill can be to your neighbor's house or even your own house?

If there is smoke and grease on your home that is tantamount to damage. Here is the language in my documents that addresses this. Yours should be the same or similiar.

The Owner of the dominant tenement shall not attach any object to a
wall, fence or dwelling belonging to the servient tenement or disturb the grading of the easement area or otherwise act -with respect to the easement area in any manner which would damage the servient tenement.

retiredguy123 08-11-2023 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2244013)
If there is smoke and grease on your home that is tantamount to damage. Here is the language in my documents that addresses this. Yours should be the same or similiar.

The Owner of the dominant tenement shall not attach any object to a
wall, fence or dwelling belonging to the servient tenement or disturb the grading of the easement area or otherwise act -with respect to the easement area in any manner which would damage the servient tenement.

I agree. If the grill causes any damage to the OP's house, the next door neighbor would be responsible.

Lizlo 08-11-2023 09:06 AM

Contact Owner
 
I lived next door to a AirBNB for 6 years. It was awful with new neighbors every few days or weekly. This was a new house with pool and garage. When new tenants arrived the grill would get moved to a new location. Inside lanai, out in back yard, in the driveway, etc. Each new tenant wanted it in a different place. Moral of the story, just go over and move it when you see the tenants leave. OR contact the owner and ask him to secure it in a safe place away from both houses. I am sure the owner would agree, usually they do not want trouble.

Jameson 08-11-2023 09:08 AM

I agree with the damages they are causing. Maybe have your wall cleaned by a pro and send the owner the bill. If they don't pay then sue them in small claims court. They should get the message. It may be wise to put them on notice first, maybe via Airbnb and directly.

JGibson 08-11-2023 10:28 AM

Thank you everyone for your insight and advice greatly appreciated.

I have pictures for proof when I move it and my reason for moving it.

Also I will stop by the VPSD and show them the pics.

I don't think there is any damage that a pressure washing can't fix.

Sad thing is everyone on our block pressure washes each other's neighborhoods side wall as it's more convenient for everyone and don't have to go in neighbors yard but this Airbnb owner won't so I still pressure wash my other neighbors side wall and mine.

They are also negligent about the weeds and landscaping, I hate to be that guy filing out a complaint but they're giving me no choice.

Thanks everyone.

Oscawana 08-11-2023 11:15 AM

I agree. I wish there was a way we could impact a change on this

nn0wheremann 08-11-2023 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JGibson (Post 2243525)
My Airbnb neighbor has decided to put their grill a foot away from the side of my house and all the smoke and grease is on my side wall.

It's a CYV where my side wall is inside her fenced-in yard.

Before I ask them to move it closer to their house what are the rules for how close a grill can be to your neighbor's house or even your own house?

Be glad it is not a turkey fryer

Topspinmo 08-11-2023 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2243905)
Trespassing is never a good idea.

Look at your deed restrictions to see what rights you have. You may have some control over the use of the property next to your wall. You may also have rights to access that area.

Customer Service Center and/or the VPSD would be the best to contact regarding the rules.

In CYV owners has right to inspect his side of house, that 1 foot assessment is there for this exact propose, nothing should come with 1 foot of neighbor’s wall.

Bill14564 08-11-2023 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2244216)
In CYV owners has right to inspect his side of house, that 1 foot assessment is there for this exact propose, nothing should come with 1 foot of neighbor’s wall.

I believe you mean easement and not all deed restrictions provide for that 1 foot section. I haven't looked at many but I haven't found it at all. The typical language is:
The Owner of the servient tenement shall have the right at all reasonable times to enter upon the easement area, including the right to cross over the dominant tenement for such entry, in order to perform work related to the use and maintenance of the servient tenement.
Depending on the definition of "reasonable times," probably a defense against trespassing. Note, this doesn't necessarily give the right to touch or move anything within the easement.

Description of the Side Yard Easement. The side yard easement shall extend over that portion of the servient tenement lying between the side Homesite lot line of the dominant tenement and the building wall...
No mention at all of a one foot exclusion from the easement.

retiredguy123 08-11-2023 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2244216)
In CYV owners has right to inspect his side of house, that 1 foot assessment is there for this exact propose, nothing should come with 1 foot of neighbor’s wall.

Not exactly. I would suggest that you read the deed restriction document very, very carefully. There is nothing in the document that limits the access to within one foot of the neighbor's exterior wall. It is complicated, but I have read it many times, and there is no one foot limit. The one foot limit only applies to the property line, not to the exterior wall.

Topspinmo 08-11-2023 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2244232)
I believe you mean easement and not all deed restrictions provide for that 1 foot section. I haven't looked at many but I haven't found it at all. The typical language is:
The Owner of the servient tenement shall have the right at all reasonable times to enter upon the easement area, including the right to cross over the dominant tenement for such entry, in order to perform work related to the use and maintenance of the servient tenement.
Depending on the definition of "reasonable times," probably a defense against trespassing. Note, this doesn't necessarily give the right to touch or move anything within the easement.

Description of the Side Yard Easement. The side yard easement shall extend over that portion of the servient tenement lying between the side Homesite lot line of the dominant tenement and the building wall...
No mention at all of a one foot exclusion from the easement.


Over hang is 1 foot.

Topspinmo 08-11-2023 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2244242)
Not exactly. I would suggest that you read the deed restriction document very, very carefully. There is nothing in the document that limits the access to within one foot of the neighbor's exterior wall. It is complicated, but I have read it many times, and there is no one foot limit. The one foot limit only applies to the property line, not to the exterior wall.

I did same goes for out front door I can’t have nothing within 1 foot of neighbors house. If I do and i damage his house I am responsible. it don’t not cover the driveway due to curving, which can make it hard to get out of my garage when brick retaining wall sticks up.

Topspinmo 08-11-2023 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JGibson (Post 2243525)
My Airbnb neighbor has decided to put their grill a foot away from the side of my house and all the smoke and grease is on my side wall.

It's a CYV where my side wall is inside her fenced-in yard.

Before I ask them to move it closer to their house what are the rules for how close a grill can be to your neighbor's house or even your own house?

If you wall damaged make the neighbor owner pay for it.


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