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ghg7689 08-17-2023 11:28 AM

Walkers on golf cart pathways
 
Most walkers on golf cart pathways walk in the direction of the traffic. Logically, this is so they can see oncoming traffic with the intent to avoid getting run over.
Unfortunately, most times it becomes a game of “chicken”.
The intent of seeing the traffic allows the walkers to avoid the traffic by moving on the grass as a courtesy instead of forcing the golf carts onto the oncoming traffic.
It is especially frustrating and dangerous when traffic is on both sides of the path the walker remains on the pathway forcing the traffic to avoid the walker and onto the oncoming traffic.
If a walker refuses to yield to traffic, than walk on the side with the direction of the traffic.
Then the traffic is required to avoid the walker as the walker strolls merrily down the pathway.

Bogie Shooter 08-17-2023 11:34 AM

It’s a multi-modal pathway.

:popcorn::popcorn:

charlie1 08-17-2023 11:39 AM

you got to be joking! Walkers are allowed on the multimodal paths! Also, you should always walk against the flow of traffic where motor vehicles are present. A cart is a motor vehicle. If there is a walker coming toward you - SLOW DOWN - and past only when it is safe. It is not a game of chicken! You can't be in that much of a hurry to not drive safely!

rjm1cc 08-17-2023 11:40 AM

No problem passing a walker who movers over to the edge. We all have to share.

PJMac 08-17-2023 12:10 PM

Wow

Marathon Man 08-17-2023 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghg7689 (Post 2246714)
Most walkers on golf cart pathways walk in the direction of the traffic. Logically, this is so they can see oncoming traffic with the intent to avoid getting run over.
Unfortunately, most times it becomes a game of “chicken”.
The intent of seeing the traffic allows the walkers to avoid the traffic by moving on the grass as a courtesy instead of forcing the golf carts onto the oncoming traffic.
It is especially frustrating and dangerous when traffic is on both sides of the path the walker remains on the pathway forcing the traffic to avoid the walker and onto the oncoming traffic.
If a walker refuses to yield to traffic, than walk on the side with the direction of the traffic.
Then the traffic is required to avoid the walker as the walker strolls merrily down the pathway.

I agree that moving over into oncoming traffic is dangerous (and the opposite of smart). And since you seem to be admitting to this dangerous action, please stop driving.

billethkid 08-17-2023 12:27 PM

Looks/sounds like bait to me!!

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Topspinmo 08-17-2023 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghg7689 (Post 2246714)
Most walkers on golf cart pathways walk in the direction of the traffic. Logically, this is so they can see oncoming traffic with the intent to avoid getting run over.
Unfortunately, most times it becomes a game of “chicken”.
The intent of seeing the traffic allows the walkers to avoid the traffic by moving on the grass as a courtesy instead of forcing the golf carts onto the oncoming traffic.
It is especially frustrating and dangerous when traffic is on both sides of the path the walker remains on the pathway forcing the traffic to avoid the walker and onto the oncoming traffic.
If a walker refuses to yield to traffic, than walk on the side with the direction of the traffic.
Then the traffic is required to avoid the walker as the walker strolls merrily down the pathway.


I don’t have that problem when I walk, I just step off the path/diamond lane and remove any chance of getting hit. That way I don’t have argue who’s right or who’s wrong.

Bill14564 08-17-2023 12:35 PM

Plenty of room in my area for the walker to move to the edge of the trail and carts pass both directions at the same time. Been there, done that.

ALWAYS walk facing golf cart traffic. Those electric ones are quiet and will sneak up on you.

MrFlorida 08-17-2023 12:57 PM

Wow, first post and already complaining..

golfing eagles 08-17-2023 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MrFlorida (Post 2246759)
Wow, first post and already complaining..

Might as well get an early start :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-17-2023 01:12 PM

The only time I can think of that a pedestrian wouldn't be able to move out of the way, is on the golf cart bridge over 441. There's barely enough room for two golf carts to pass each other, there is no room at all for two carts, plus anything else. In that case, the person going in the same direction the pedestrian is walking, needs to - not get that close to the pedestrian. So the cart on the other side can safely continue over the bridge. And then that first golf cart can then move over and pass the pedestrian. If it's a bicycle, you normally would just wait til the bike gets to the top of the bridge, and roll up behind them, and follow them to the other side til they're able to give you room to pass them.

No idea what the actual rules are for that situation but that's been what people have been doing since I moved in, and it seems to work fine.

manaboutown 08-17-2023 01:18 PM

They are NOT "golf cart pathways" as the OP calls them. They are "multi-modal paths". Share the paths!

Multi-Modal Path Information and Safety

DonH57 08-17-2023 01:48 PM

Not surprising so many people don't understand just because the paths have a divider line and have the belief the paths are for golf carts only. Pure selfishness. I've heard golf cart drivers yell at walkers to get off the path like they think they own them. Usually the ones running late for their tee times because they have poor time management.

golfing eagles 08-17-2023 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DonH57 (Post 2246783)
Not surprising so many people don't understand just because the paths have a divider line and have the belief the paths are for golf carts only. Pure selfishness. I've heard golf cart drivers yell at walkers to get off the path like they think they own them. Usually the ones running late for their tee times because they have poor time management.

I think I ran into that guy. He came up from a tunnel to merge into the main MMP and blew right through the stop sign at full speed just in front of me (He must have thought he was a cyclist:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:). When I reminded him of his wrongdoing with my horn, he gave me a one finger salute. When we both had to stop shortly after at a gate crossing, I verbally reminded him that the sign is big, red, octagonal and means STOP. He told me to blow it out my you know what. I was seriously tempted to give him a roadside colonoscopy with his pitching wedge---sideways.

Bogie Shooter 08-17-2023 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2246799)
I think I ran into that guy. He came up from a tunnel to merge into the main MMP and blew right through the stop sign at full speed just in front of me (He must have thought he was a cyclist:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:). When I reminded him of his wrongdoing with my horn, he gave me a one finger salute. When we both had to stop shortly after at a gate crossing, I verbally reminded him that the sign is big, red, octagonal and means STOP. He told me to blow it out my you know what. I was seriously tempted to give him a roadside colonoscopy with his pitching wedge---sideways.

Wouldn’t giving someone a colonoscopy without consent be considered harassment?:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

golfing eagles 08-17-2023 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2246802)
Wouldn’t giving someone a colonoscopy without consent be considered harassment?:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

More like ASSault :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Stu from NYC 08-17-2023 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2246761)
Might as well get an early start :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Why wait till the last minute

JMintzer 08-17-2023 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2246749)
Wouldn’t be considerate just to step off path other than demand I am walking here.

Also the path not intended walk side by side then take up the whole path either. Single file when traffic approaches would be polite.

There are many places where one cannot "just step off the path"...

Places where there is thick landscaping abutting the path...

And no one ever suggested walking two abreast (when traffic approaches) was a good idea...

DAVES 08-17-2023 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ghg7689 (Post 2246714)
Most walkers on golf cart pathways walk in the direction of the traffic. Logically, this is so they can see oncoming traffic with the intent to avoid getting run over.
Unfortunately, most times it becomes a game of “chicken”.
The intent of seeing the traffic allows the walkers to avoid the traffic by moving on the grass as a courtesy instead of forcing the golf carts onto the oncoming traffic.
It is especially frustrating and dangerous when traffic is on both sides of the path the walker remains on the pathway forcing the traffic to avoid the walker and onto the oncoming traffic.
If a walker refuses to yield to traffic, than walk on the side with the direction of the traffic.
Then the traffic is required to avoid the walker as the walker strolls merrily down the pathway.

A game of chicken is a childish thought. The thought should always be it is not your job to teach others a lesson. Your job is to see ALL do not get injured. Even the term accident is false. In a car, golf cart, well over 90% of accidents are avoidable. Thus, what we call an accident is a dumb action.

Should be. Walkers should use the sidewalk if there is one. If,there is no sidewalk walkers should walk against the flow of traffic so they can see golf carts and cars coming at them. IN A RUSH?
What do you save. The legal speed for a golf cart is 20 mph otherwise you need plates, insurance and a driver's license.

For too many, HURRY UP AND RELAX.

Topspinmo 08-17-2023 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2246772)
They are NOT "golf cart pathways" as the OP calls them. They are "multi-modal paths". Share the paths!

Multi-Modal Path Information and Safety


Share don’t mean hogging.

Topspinmo 08-17-2023 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2246842)
There are many places where one cannot "just step off the path"...

Places where there is thick landscaping abutting the path...

And no one ever suggested walking two abreast (when traffic approaches) was a good idea...

And there are many places you can step off path, but they don’t. And there are many who walk 2 three or 4 abreast and don’t get out of way. Safety first, argue later.

DAVES 08-17-2023 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonH57 (Post 2246783)
Not surprising so many people don't understand just because the paths have a divider line and have the belief the paths are for golf carts only. Pure selfishness. I've heard golf cart drivers yell at walkers to get off the path like they think they own them. Usually the ones running late for their tee times because they have poor time management.

We/I seem to notice the FOOLS. It is the same people everywhere. I call them astronomers.
They were always like that sure the world revolves around them.

Topspinmo 08-17-2023 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAVES (Post 2246862)
A game of chicken is a childish thought. The thought should always be it is not your job to teach others a lesson. Your job is to see ALL do not get injured. Even the term accident is false. In a car, golf cart, well over 90% of accidents are avoidable. Thus, what we call an accident is a dumb action.

Should be. Walkers should use the sidewalk if there is one. If,there is no sidewalk walkers should walk against the flow of traffic so they can see golf carts and cars coming at them. IN A RUSH?
What do you save. The legal speed for a golf cart is 20 mph otherwise you need plates, insurance and a driver's license.

For too many, HURRY UP AND RELAX.

Exactly, that’s why when in doubt I step of street or path. Safety first.

Topspinmo 08-17-2023 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2246802)
Wouldn’t giving someone a colonoscopy without consent be considered harassment?:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

No, and attitude adjustment :oops:

DonH57 08-17-2023 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2246799)
I think I ran into that guy. He came up from a tunnel to merge into the main MMP and blew right through the stop sign at full speed just in front of me (He must have thought he was a cyclist:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:). When I reminded him of his wrongdoing with my horn, he gave me a one finger salute. When we both had to stop shortly after at a gate crossing, I verbally reminded him that the sign is big, red, octagonal and means STOP. He told me to blow it out my you know what. I was seriously tempted to give him a roadside colonoscopy with his pitching wedge---sideways.

LOL ! Without lube I assume!

Garywt 08-17-2023 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghg7689 (Post 2246714)
Most walkers on golf cart pathways walk in the direction of the traffic. Logically, this is so they can see oncoming traffic with the intent to avoid getting run over.
Unfortunately, most times it becomes a game of “chicken”.
The intent of seeing the traffic allows the walkers to avoid the traffic by moving on the grass as a courtesy instead of forcing the golf carts onto the oncoming traffic.
It is especially frustrating and dangerous when traffic is on both sides of the path the walker remains on the pathway forcing the traffic to avoid the walker and onto the oncoming traffic.
If a walker refuses to yield to traffic, than walk on the side with the direction of the traffic.
Then the traffic is required to avoid the walker as the walker strolls merrily down the pathway.

If you are heading towards a walker and carts are approaching you are required to stop and wait for the oncoming traffic to pass. Golf Carts are low man on the totem pole and pedestrians have the right of way. You cannot cross to the other side of the path forcing others off the path. If the walkers choose to move to the grass then you are fine.

dhdallas 08-17-2023 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghg7689 (Post 2246714)
Most walkers on golf cart pathways walk in the direction of the traffic. Logically, this is so they can see oncoming traffic with the intent to avoid getting run over.
Unfortunately, most times it becomes a game of “chicken”.
The intent of seeing the traffic allows the walkers to avoid the traffic by moving on the grass as a courtesy instead of forcing the golf carts onto the oncoming traffic.
It is especially frustrating and dangerous when traffic is on both sides of the path the walker remains on the pathway forcing the traffic to avoid the walker and onto the oncoming traffic.
If a walker refuses to yield to traffic, than walk on the side with the direction of the traffic.
Then the traffic is required to avoid the walker as the walker strolls merrily down the pathway.

"Most walkers on golf cart pathways walk in the direction of the traffic. Logically, this is so they can see oncoming traffic with the intent to avoid getting run over." Really? If you are walking in the same direction as the traffic then the carts are coming up behind you. You need to walk against the direction of traffic. As far as moving into the grass, pedestrians do have the right-of-way but with every other golf cart driver being drunk, speeding, inattentive, senile, etc., it is prudent to move off the path.

MorTech 08-18-2023 02:20 AM

I would rather see it coming than be hit from behind...although, I would take a blindfold in front of a firing squad...and a cigarette.

MorTech 08-18-2023 02:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garywt (Post 2246946)
If you are heading towards a walker and carts are approaching you are required to stop and wait for the oncoming traffic to pass. Golf Carts are low man on the totem pole and pedestrians have the right of way. You cannot cross to the other side of the path forcing others off the path. If the walkers choose to move to the grass then you are fine.

Correct. Golf carts always have to yield to all others...Except snakes.

Raywatkins 08-18-2023 04:28 AM

Look in Florida Drivers handbook.
Pedestrians have right of way.

Altawood 08-18-2023 04:50 AM

Pedestrians have the right-of-way
 
All of the ‘Cart Paths’ are multi-modal transportation arteries made for Pedestrians, Bicycles and Golf Carts. Courtesy would dictate that pedestrians walk to the side to allow others to pass. I have seen drivers texting while navigating carts down the path which is wholly irresponsible.
The Multi-Modal Paths are not Golf Cart Paths.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghg7689 (Post 2246714)
Most walkers on golf cart pathways walk in the direction of the traffic. Logically, this is so they can see oncoming traffic with the intent to avoid getting run over.
Unfortunately, most times it becomes a game of “chicken”.
The intent of seeing the traffic allows the walkers to avoid the traffic by moving on the grass as a courtesy instead of forcing the golf carts onto the oncoming traffic.
It is especially frustrating and dangerous when traffic is on both sides of the path the walker remains on the pathway forcing the traffic to avoid the walker and onto the oncoming traffic.
If a walker refuses to yield to traffic, than walk on the side with the direction of the traffic.
Then the traffic is required to avoid the walker as the walker strolls merrily down the pathway.


Sandy and Ed 08-18-2023 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2246745)
I don’t have that problem when I walk, I just step off the path/diamond lane and remove any chance of getting hit. That way I don’t have argue who’s right or who’s wrong.

And courtesy is a two way street. I walk slower than a cart and if I’m walking I probably am not in a rush to make a tee time. Just step off the road and let them pass. No big deal.

pvetrano1 08-18-2023 06:21 AM

Another genius !

mikeycereal 08-18-2023 06:24 AM

When I see a walker on the golf cart path I slow down and give them a wide berth whether they are facing me or not. That's their choice to walk either way but I walk facing traffic so I can see people coming. I myself would not walk on a golf cart path because I don't trust other drivers. I would be one who would calmly step in the grass when I see a cart coming. But I'll just stick to the walking/bike paths and enjoy those.

Carlsondm 08-18-2023 06:46 AM

First it’s a multimodal path (MMP), not just a cart path. Second, the walkers did not design the paths or there would be extra room in places to get over safely. Landscaping comes down to the mmp frequently, so walkers and other users have to be patient and courteous. Slow down and enjoy the trip. It’s a great way to meet new people!

Bogie Shooter 08-18-2023 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeycereal (Post 2247005)
When I see a walker on the golf cart path I slow down and give them a wide berth whether they are facing me or not. That's their choice to walk either way but I walk facing traffic so I can see people coming. I myself would not walk on a golf cart path because I don't trust other drivers. I would be one who would calmly step in the grass when I see a cart coming. But I'll just stick to the walking/bike paths and enjoy those.

I have only once in 20 years seen a walker on “the golf cart path”, now multi-modal………

ffresh 08-18-2023 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2246772)
They are NOT "golf cart pathways" as the OP calls them. They are "multi-modal paths". Share the paths!

Multi-Modal Path Information and Safety

With a bit of research, I believe you will conclude that these are not multi-modals paths being referred to but specialty lanes (within the boundary of a roadway). While it is perfectly acceptable for pedestrians to utilize multi-modal paths, FL statutes prohibit pedestrians from walking on the road surface if a sidewalk is provided - not directed toward you but DUH :shrug:

Blackie covered it very well in the following response in 2017:
12-20-2017, 08:37 PM

Florida Statute 316.130 Pedestrians; traffic regulations.—

(3) Where sidewalks are provided, no pedestrian shall, unless required by other circumstances, walk along and upon the portion of a roadway paved for vehicular traffic.

4) Where sidewalks are not provided, any pedestrian walking along and upon a highway shall, when practicable, walk only on the shoulder on the left side of the roadway in relation to the pedestrian’s direction of travel, facing traffic which may approach from the opposite direction.

"I believe all of the roads that have diamond lanes, south of 466, have sidewalks so Statute 316.130 (3) would apply. Being in the road/diamond lane is illegal you must be on the sidewalk.

If you are talking about north of 466, where there may not be a sidewalk, then Statute 316.130 (4) applies and you are taking a big chance
".

In the United States and Canada, a diamond lane is a special lane on a street or highway that is reserved for specific types of traffic. These lanes are usually marked with white diamonds or lozenges, and hence their name. (Wikipedia)

Multimodal paths are sometimes located adjacent to a roadway but are usually separated by a barrier

https://www.**************.com/2018/...or-golf-carts/
Multi-modal or Shared-Use Paths are paved, off-street travel ways designed to serve non-motorized travelers. Across our community, golf carts and bicyclists are typically the most common users of shared-use paths. However, shared-use paths are frequently also used by pedestrians, roller skaters, skateboarders, wheelchair users, and users of many other modes except automotive.

Diamonds painted on the road indicate a restricted lane, which means only vehicles meeting certain criteria may use the lane

Multi-modal or Shared-Use Paths are paved, off-street travel ways designed to serve non-motorized travelers.

From Topic #625-000-002
FDOT Design Manual


https://
www.fdot.gov/docs/default-source/roadway/FDM/current/2018FDM224SharedUsePaths.pdf


224 Shared Use Paths
224.1 General
This chapter contains the requirements for shared use paths that are contained within the State Highway System. Shared use paths are paved facilities physically separated from motorized vehicular traffic by an open space or barrier ...

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msilagy 08-18-2023 07:58 AM

It's interesting when walking on a golf cart path with the walking villagers and we all are single file on the edge many of the golf carts go flying by without any regard to the walkers while others are more aware and polite and slow down. The latter are greatly appreciated. We try to stay off these paths but with 6 mi walks sometimes it's necessary. Says a lot about courtesy, doesn't it????

graciegirl 08-18-2023 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghg7689 (Post 2246714)
Most walkers on golf cart pathways walk in the direction of the traffic. Logically, this is so they can see oncoming traffic with the intent to avoid getting run over.
Unfortunately, most times it becomes a game of “chicken”.
The intent of seeing the traffic allows the walkers to avoid the traffic by moving on the grass as a courtesy instead of forcing the golf carts onto the oncoming traffic.
It is especially frustrating and dangerous when traffic is on both sides of the path the walker remains on the pathway forcing the traffic to avoid the walker and onto the oncoming traffic.
If a walker refuses to yield to traffic, than walk on the side with the direction of the traffic.
Then the traffic is required to avoid the walker as the walker strolls merrily down the pathway.

When the walker on the golf cart path is walking "wrong", than it is up to us drivers to slow down and go carefully around said walker.

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