Is the "Age" of residents enforced
 

How come I see a bunch of under 55 people with charges from the Villages?

The rule is that only one person in the house must be over 55, and that rule can be waived by The Villages as long as 80 percent of the houses are in compliance. The only real age restriction is that people under 19 cannot stay in the house for more than 30 days. So, good luck enforcing the rule against someone who is over 19.

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Expect 50 plus posts, cut and pasted from many previous threads.

Thanks Boogie...save me some of that Popcorn

Good luck expecting enforcement of any internal deed restrictions.

The two old biddies seem to have some clout

I guess sometimes the older folks aren't the best either. i.e. 300 files found on a laptop, or punching a womans arm, or running around naked from the waist down at the Manatee Recreation Center

We're talking "internal" deed restrictions, which must be enforced by the developer. I've never heard of an instance where this has happened.

Good explanation, may help some understand. Seems a lot of people do get "rules", "deed restrictions", and "laws" all mixed up in their minds... Most, or many, do not seem to know the federal 80% law even exist, and also that in the final analysis, the local police officers are NOT responsible for enforcing the "rules" and "restrictions". Relatives in planned "retirement" communities in other states tell us confusion also runs rampant in their communities. Aways asking WHO is responsible for ENFORCING the "gate law", who "let's these people in without a resident I.D. they say... and yet, it's exactly like it is in the villages, the roads are NOT private. They tell us the residents of their community also no not understand that there really is not specified enforcement entity...and, the local police are always being called on to take care of things like this: "they have children at ......, they need to leave, they have been here all summer, you need to send an officer to take care of it... I CALLED the HOA and they don't take care of that so we need an officer.... and so on. Just saying, we are not alone with residents who are not clear about many things in age restricted communities.

Anyone can “live” here as long as you’re over 18.

Because dangerous loser parasitic relatives come here to leech off of our elderly residents. They first victimize that relative and then exploit the rest of our community and amenities till they are arrested.....but, Oh Wait!...Then they come back
and keep doing it over and over and over with no end in sight...

No enforcement of age restrictions per covenant, up to 20% are permitted by statute.

Cry all you want but they lied to you. The Villages is not a retirement community.

There is a serious housing problem in America so I expect you will see more younger folks living in TV in the near future.

When the entitled start arriving in the next few months riding around with scowls ������ on their faces having to deal with the permanent residents being in there way!
Maybe it will scare them off ������

You and me, Bogie, have been on this Forum for a long time and have witnessed this discussion so many times.

The Federal Housing Act, established in 1968 has a section referred to as HOPA. The Villages must have at least 80% of people over 55 years of age and cannot have anyone living here under 19. Under 19 visitors may stay here no more than a total of 30 days in a calendar year.

This goes for rental homes as well.

Are you serious? I see you only joined this year. And already you know everything? Wow good for you! Have a wonderful lovely fabulous DAY

Hi Gracie!

Because dysfunctional children in their 20's and 30's are living with their parents in The Villages.

Rephrased just a little....

Because the Villages is a 55+ community and ensures that at least 80% of the occupied homes have at least one resident over 55, they can have a restriction that says no one under 19 can stay for more than 30 days in a calendar year.

Not to get off topic, but whatever happened to graciegirl? Always enjoyed her perspective on things.

She's around.

You all love math don't you? So you have 100 homes. Each home is allowed to have four residents, at least for purposes of getting ID cards. That is now 400 people. Of those 100 homes 80%, or 80 homes must have one resident age 55+ . The villages is fully in compliance with the requirement if just 80 people are 55+ and the other 320 are 19-54.

We know that most homes here have 1 or 2 residents. But understanding the difference between a requirement that 80% of the residents be over 55 and 80% of the homes have one resident over 55 is a huge difference in the definition for compliance.

Wonder if they actually live in TV. We live in TV but per the post office, we live in Lady Lake. Also, we live in Sumter County. Our neighbor received a summons to appear for jury duty in Lake County. Easiest way to avoid jury duty. "I do not live in Lake County"

I appreciate that one of my adult children and spouse (37 & 34) could stay with us a few months while moving here from Hawaii and looking for some place adorable to live outside of Orlando. TV was great about and we let all the neighbors on our street know beforehand and they were great about it too. Camp Villages is great for the grandkids too.

She's at Post #15.

good to see your still posting 😀

🙄 Spoken like a true outsider, or one who is unhappy no matter where he lives. No one lied to us 18 years ago. The only way we’re turned into a housing project is forcing the VCDDs to allocate a percentage for low income housing. For the record, our SS payments would qualify us.

I think "ensures" could be more accurately replaced with "claims". It's doubtful that they're doing anything to actually keep track, not that it would be very feasible to do anyways.

Have talked to multiple new buyers in the Villages where both people in the couple are under 55 that have bought a new home. From what I can tell, there's little chance the sales agents are going to turn down a sale because they're under 55.

I actually think it would be fairly straightforward to keep track of how many homes had a resident over 55.

Two things to consider with the new buyers under 55: 1. Will they live in the home or was it purchased as a rental; and, 2. Will they drive the 55+ resident rate lower than 80%? We don't know though some will claim otherwise.

In the end though, the HoPA rules aren't there to protect us or give us rights, the rules exist to protect the Villages and give the Villages rights. The HoPA rules do not guarantee us that the community will continue to be a 55+ community. The HoPA rules allow a 55+ community like the Villages to refuse to sell to a family with children under 19 years old and protect the Villages from anti-discrimination lawsuits based on that refusal.

An owner might be able to sue the Villages for not following the deed restrictions that they wrote. The owner would need to provide data to show that not 80% of the occupied homes have a 55+ resident. I believe the Villages have the residency data but I'm not sure they would willingly provide it.

You neglected to add that the owner would need to have extremely deep pockets and be prepared to have those pockets significantly emptied. It’s never a good idea to sue an extremely well connected entity, with seemingly unlimited financial resources, and an army of attorneys at their disposal.

And have money to do so.

I sure there is accurate accounting going one:oops.

Where exactly is your evidence??? It might shock you but you have to show ID to buy a house and there are about 5 other ways to get your age before you close. They do track it. How do I know? When I was 51 I bought my first house here and I asked. In 2014 it was about 8% that were below 55. The other thing
They pointed out is that people age, so in a few years I would be above 55 and fall off that statistic which I am now being 60. And yes if they get to 20% they will stop selling to younger people. I don’t think we are any different than where we were in 2014. Same gripes and misinformation on here now as back then.

Yeah..but you're from Oak Creek so whadda you know anyway...lol

Was there an official number of 8% with some sort of audited data that was presented to you, or was this just someone telling you it was 8%? Since we bought, I've found lots of things we were told ended up not to be completely true.

Doubtful that it's even possible for them to track people renting out houses to families under 55 like some people that are in my area, houses changing hands in other ways, divorce, etc.

My sugar mama is 55, but I'm 24. You mean I'm not welcome?? *sniff*
:cry: :throwtomatoes: :duck:

It is tracked. I have spoken to one of the people who do it. It is behind the scenes and occurs during the month between signing the deal and closing. A sale could be disallowed if we ever approach the 80% limit. Tracking is required by law as part of remaining a 55+ community.

I can understand how they could track property sales, but the age rule only applies to residents, not owners. The only way I can see how to track the residents is with the ID cards. But, a lot of people rent out their house, or they are snowbirds, who are partime residents. Any tracking system they use could be grossly inaccurate.

They only enforce it (or even track it) if yoiu buy your home through athe Villages. If you buy a resale from MLS or privately, they never check. Once you go into the house as being underaged they wil never enforce the age restrictions. That is why there are so many kids living in The Villages. They should be doing yearly censuses to ensure they are still meeting the Age Restricted community qualifucatuons but they don't.

And who tracks that compliance ? The answer is nobody. Also,the under 19 rule is part of the internall deed restrictions and never enforced.