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mtdjed 09-11-2023 05:11 PM

Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm
 
Energy Granholm demonstrates how to easily travel with her EV. Hopefully her experience turns into a learning experience. Kind of why developers put in infrastructure before they build houses.


EV driver calls cops on Energy Secretary after her staff blocks charger with ICE car | Electrek

Stu from NYC 09-11-2023 05:49 PM

Some people think they are more important than the rest of us.

Caymus 09-11-2023 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2255625)
Some people think they are more important than the rest of us.

as she bellowed "do you know who I am?"

OrangeBlossomBaby 09-11-2023 07:09 PM

If only Georgia had a law requiring that only EVs can park in EV spots. Maybe the lesson is learned, and they'll pass an actual law requiring it.

Yes, it was in poor taste for the Secretary to make this decision, and absolutely, it is an ironic defeat of the purpose. But it wasn't illegal. It should be.

mtdjed 09-11-2023 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2255652)
If only Georgia had a law requiring that only EVs can park in EV spots. Maybe the lesson is learned, and they'll pass an actual law requiring it.

Yes, it was in poor taste for the Secretary to make this decision, and absolutely, it is an ironic defeat of the purpose. But it wasn't illegal. It should be.

In all likelihood, it probably wasn't the Secretary's decision.

Sabella 09-12-2023 04:53 AM

Just another example of crucial important department heads in our government that are fools and members of the Borg.

Taltarzac725 09-12-2023 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by mtdjed (Post 2255659)
In all likelihood, it probably wasn't the Secretary's decision.

I kind of doubt she makes decisions like where to park for gas. Could even have been her security detail checking out the place for her and her team's safety.

manaboutown 09-12-2023 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2255766)
I kind of doubt she makes decisions like where to park for gas. Could even have been her security detail checking out the place for her and her team's safety.

She wasn't parking for gas. She needed her vehicle's batteries recharged.

The couple that called the police had a very young child in their car and it was sweltering hot.

JMintzer 09-12-2023 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2255770)
She wasn't parking for gas. She needed her vehicle's batteries recharged.

The couple that called the police had a very young child in their car and it was sweltering hot.

Exactly. It was a publicity stunt that blew up in her face...

Tvflguy 09-12-2023 02:01 PM

If she dove a Tesla there would have been no issue. They are #1 by FAR with operable charging stations across the country. But why does this Admin NOT support Tesla? Because Elon Musk runs the company as well as his other endeavors including SpaceX. He is NOT their beck and call as other execs are. He’s his own man and takes risks.

And that’s why his companies thrive despite the government.

Blueblaze 09-12-2023 05:49 PM

I thought it was a brilliant demonstration of how farcically impractical it is to own a vehicle that requires more hours to charge than you can drive in a single stretch -- unless you want to quick-charge it for a mere 45 minutes and risk it becoming a bomb, while you pay more for the inconvenience of a 45 minute layover than you would have paid for 5-minute gas stop -- and that's assuming you can find a quick charger before your 250 mile range runs out.

It was a particularly hilarious touch for her to send her minions ahead to reserve a charger, and along the way, harass any normal people they discovered making use of those ridiculous charging spots that always attempt to waste the best parking spots at any facility.

Was she intentionally trying to persuade people to quit buying these ridiculous cars? No, I think our "Energy Secretary" really is so clueless about energy that she thought she could drive one of these silly machines across the country as easily as across town.

In any case, it was good for a laugh, and with clowns like Jennifer Granholm and Peter Buttigieg running things, Lord knows we need a laugh!

Taltarzac725 09-12-2023 08:26 PM

Again I doubt she was in charge of where they charge their vehicles.

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Originally Posted by Blueblaze (Post 2255985)
I thought it was a brilliant demonstration of how farcically impractical it is to own a vehicle that requires more hours to charge than you can drive in a single stretch -- unless you want to quick-charge it for a mere 45 minutes and risk it becoming a bomb, while you pay more for the inconvenience of a 45 minute layover than you would have paid for 5-minute gas stop -- and that's assuming you can find a quick charger before your 250 mile range runs out.

It was a particularly hilarious touch for her to send her minions ahead to reserve a charger, and along the way, harass any normal people they discovered making use of those ridiculous charging spots that always attempt to waste the best parking spots at any facility.

Was she intentionally trying to persuade people to quit buying these ridiculous cars? No, I think our "Energy Secretary" really is so clueless about energy that she thought she could drive one of these silly machines across the country as easily as across town.

In any case, it was good for a laugh, and with clowns like Jennifer Granholm and Peter Buttigieg running things, Lord knows we need a laugh!


tophcfa 09-12-2023 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mtdjed (Post 2255659)
In all likelihood, it probably wasn't the Secretary's decision.

Not an excuse, if it wasn’t her it was the people she is responsible for, so it ultimately falls on her.

Stu from NYC 09-12-2023 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2256022)
Not an excuse, if it wasn’t her it was the people she is responsible for, so it ultimately falls on her.

Very true

JMintzer 09-12-2023 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2255766)
I kind of doubt she makes decisions like where to park for gas. Could even have been her security detail checking out the place for her and her team's safety.

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2256012)
Again I doubt she was in charge of where they charge their vehicles.

Excuses, excuses...

And the first on was a hoot!

Pairadocs 09-12-2023 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2255625)
Some people think they are more important than the rest of us.

Animal Farm: We are ALL equal here; it's just that some of us are more equal than others. Orwell

jimbomaybe 09-13-2023 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by mtdjed (Post 2255618)
Energy Granholm demonstrates how to easily travel with her EV. Hopefully her experience turns into a learning experience. Kind of why developers put in infrastructure before they build houses.


EV driver calls cops on Energy Secretary after her staff blocks charger with ICE car | Electrek

She was making a point with her demonstration, all one needs to do is have your staff/security team get out ahead of of you (in their gas powered veh) pave the way for your procession and all will be seamless, perhaps that is not the message she intended but abundantly clear

GizmoWhiskers 09-13-2023 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbomaybe (Post 2256047)
She was making a point with her demonstration, all one needs to do is have your staff/security team get out ahead of of you (in their gas powered veh) pave the way for your procession and all will be seamless, perhaps that is not the message she intended but abundantly clear

Lol... now there's a business idea - EV placeholders. Call ahead and we will wait in charging spot for you. K-ching$$$$. Villagers, WAWA 441 in Lady Lake Tesla spaces available today. Schedule check.

Cobullymom 09-13-2023 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2255766)
I kind of doubt she makes decisions like where to park for gas. Could even have been her security detail checking out the place for her and her team's safety.

Pray tell why does the energy secretary get a security detail when the Supreme court Justices don't even have them? This woman is a bimbo and disgrace.

Meboko 09-13-2023 05:52 AM

Not very nice to call someone a bimbo. Very rude.

Caymus 09-13-2023 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by GizmoWhiskers (Post 2256074)
Lol... now there's a business idea - EV placeholders. Call ahead and we will wait in charging spot for you. K-ching$$$$. Villagers, WAWA 441 in Lady Lake Tesla spaces available today. Schedule check.

Or use old chairs/furniture to reserve the spot.:smiley::smiley:

Where I grew up, people would shovel the snow in front of their homes and put chairs in the spot to save it.

mrf0151 09-13-2023 06:24 AM

No worries on EV range as maybe Toyota has a better idea and it may crush lithium:

https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=de975...xY083TTk&ntb=1

merrymini 09-13-2023 06:30 AM

So stupid. EV s have a place but it may not have every place. This is what happens when you do not have a brain.

Blackbird45 09-13-2023 06:32 AM

They say nothing is for certain but death and taxes, that is no longer true. About every six weeks the topic of climate change and EVs appears on this site.

So, let’s dive into it. We all know that the problem with EVs is the batteries. Distance, charging time, life of the battery and cost. Now Toyota claims by 2027 they will be able to mass produce solid state batteries that will take care of most of these issues. Beside that Tesla has open some of their charging station to some other car companies, also the carmakers BMW Group, General Motors, Honda, Hyundai, Kia, Mercedes-Benz Group and Stellantis, will initially invest at least $1 billion in a joint venture that will build 30,000 charging ports on major highways and other locations in the United States and Canada. These companies are not doing this to save the planet, it’s a lot less expensive to slap a couple of electric motors on the wheels of a car than the cost of a combustion engine and everything that goes with it. Reduce the cost means an increase in profits.

Now let’s move onto climate change where there are two camps, those who claim we are going to be knee high in water within the next 10 years. We will label this group the Chicken-Licken who believed the sky is falling. The other group claims that changes in the climate have nothing to do with man, it is the earth going through a cycle that has happened before and there is nothing we can do to stop it. We will label this group the Ostriches with their head buried in the sand. Now who is right I’m not sure, but I lean toward Chicken-Licken "only because if they are wrong, we have wasted money and resources, on the other hand if the Ostriches are wrong, they will be responsible for wiping out mankind and I have a grandson.

What concern me more than climate change is pollution. In the early 80s I was working on a project in the California hills, on the ride to the destination the sun was trying to break through a yellow sky. I mentioned the color of the sky and the person sitting next to me a California native simply said it’s pollution, and that it usually burns off by 11am. Who in their right mind would want to live in that, in no way could that have been healthy. Don’t people believe the old saying “Don’t s**t where you eat”. I personally can’t wait for EVs to take hold before the combustion engine kills all of us with either carbon dioxide, nitrous oxide or menthane. Isn’t it nice there are three options on the menu.

Bay Kid 09-13-2023 06:34 AM

She helped me know why I would never want an EV. 45 minute charge, once you find a charging station, plus the cost of charging.

rsmurano 09-13-2023 06:37 AM

You do know why her group parked a gas car in the ev charging slot? So she would not have to wait for hours for other ev owners to charge their cars. Heaven forbid they show the truth on what really happens at charging stations.

It’s funny every climate change hoax during the last 100 years has a 10 year life span before we are all going to perish. Remember a couple years ago AOC made a prediction that in 10 years we will perish if we don’t do something about the cows farting and climate change.

Access to this page has been denied

Putting the 'con' in consensus; Not only is there no 97 per cent consensus among climate scientists, many misunderstand core issues | Fraser Institute

50 years of predictions that the climate apocalypse is nigh

ehonour 09-13-2023 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by mtdjed (Post 2255618)
Energy Granholm demonstrates how to easily travel with her EV.]

She plans a trip from Charlotte, NC to Memphis, TN as a demonstration, a total distance of 620 miles. In a gasoline car, that's one fuel stop (and a few bathroom stops, if you wish) for 10 minutes. In an EV, that's at least two recharge stops for about 1.5 hours.

But then, she somehow ends up in Augusta, GA? That's 160 miles directly out of the way?

So apparently her road trip was a planned out-of-the-way route for the purposes of demonstration. If they went to that much planning, they likely had every charging station on the route scoped out in advance to make sure the chargers were working, plus a fleet of advance cars paving the way.

Nice "demonstration" of what the average Joe might experience.

Marine1974 09-13-2023 08:02 AM

Good luck with taking a long trip with an electric car . You might spend more time charging the battery than actually driving . The land that is mined for all the material needed to make an electric car battery is rendered uninhabitable due to the toxic chemicals used in the mining process. All the heavy duty earth moving equipment is run on gasoline or diesel . The electric bus manufacturer that the U.S. poured billions into just went bankrupt. Make your own opinion of electric vehicles.
The secretary of energy blocked the charging station and probably others because they didn’t want to spend more time charging than driving . What does that tell you ?

JRcorvette 09-13-2023 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Blueblaze (Post 2255985)
I thought it was a brilliant demonstration of how farcically impractical it is to own a vehicle that requires more hours to charge than you can drive in a single stretch -- unless you want to quick-charge it for a mere 45 minutes and risk it becoming a bomb, while you pay more for the inconvenience of a 45 minute layover than you would have paid for 5-minute gas stop -- and that's assuming you can find a quick charger before your 250 mile range runs out.

It was a particularly hilarious touch for her to send her minions ahead to reserve a charger, and along the way, harass any normal people they discovered making use of those ridiculous charging spots that always attempt to waste the best parking spots at any facility.

Was she intentionally trying to persuade people to quit buying these ridiculous cars? No, I think our "Energy Secretary" really is so clueless about energy that she thought she could drive one of these silly machines across the country as easily as across town.

In any case, it was good for a laugh, and with clowns like Jennifer Granholm and Peter Buttigieg running things, Lord knows we need a laugh!

Exactly…. We are not ready for most people to drive an EV. The dirty truth is that the production of an EV and it’s massive batteries pollutes much more than any gas car.

roadrnnr 09-13-2023 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Blackbird45 (Post 2256103)
T Now who is right I’m not sure, but I lean toward Chicken-Licken "only because if they are wrong, we have wasted money and resources, on the other hand if the Ostriches are wrong, they will be responsible for wiping out mankind and I have a grandson.

Just disregard everything these fools are doing has absolutely no effect on Climate and never will, while we pay up the nose for their "Cult" Ideology!

Blackbird45 09-13-2023 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by roadrnnr (Post 2256188)
Just disregard everything these fools are doing has absolutely no effect on Climate and never will, while we pay up the nose for their "Cult" Ideology!

You don't know that and neither do I, but what is more important saving a couple of bucks or mankind. Looking at the picture you have on your post even if it was proven to you, you wouldn't change your position.

MrFlorida 09-13-2023 08:55 AM

It's almost like parking in a handicap spot, no shame for these people.

mtdjed 09-13-2023 09:02 AM

[QUOTE=Blackbird45;2256103]These companies are not doing this to save the planet, it’s a lot less expensive to slap a couple of electric motors on the wheels of a car than the cost of a combustion engine and everything that goes with it. Reduce the cost means an increase in profits.

Yep, Just slap the electric motors on the cars and watch the money flow.

Ford supposedly loses $60,000 for each EV sold. And the Government has to even supplement the sales. Where does that money come from?

Ford Loses Nearly $60,000 for Every Electric Vehicle Sold
The legacy carmaker has, for the first time, published its results, distinguishing the activities of electric vehicles from those of gasoline cars. For now, clean cars are a money pit.

thestreet.com.

Cybersprings 09-13-2023 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Blackbird45 (Post 2256197)
You don't know that and neither do I, but what is more important saving a couple of bucks or mankind. Looking at the picture you have on your post even if it was proven to you, you wouldn't change your position.

1. A person has a picture of a roadrunner car on their profile, therefore, if it was proven that internal combustion engines were going to kill off mankind, they wouldn't change their position. That logic is flawless.
2. But if you save a couple of bucks, you could feed the starving. What is more important to you, preventing the world from extinction from starvation or holding on to some political view? (Notice that this choice is every bit as ridiculous as the one that you offered.)

Wondering 09-13-2023 09:06 AM

Get a Life! Our country has more important issues to deal with like funding the government by paying the bills and protecting our fragile democracy.

Stu from NYC 09-13-2023 09:28 AM

The optics would have been better if the muck e mucks staffer would have been driving an EV.

Sparky1959 09-13-2023 11:21 AM

Granholm lacks commonsense, she was probably dumbest Gov Michigan ever had and we couldn’t wait to get rid of her and her bad policies. And obviously she hasn’t changed. When will she accept the fact people don’t want EV cars they aren’t practical or affordable. People want to get where they’re going fast not hang out at a charging station for hours. So many middle class people are struggling to put food on the table to feed their families….. they won’t be buying EV cars anytime soon or not at all.

Caymus 09-13-2023 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Sparky1959 (Post 2256279)
Granholm lacks commonsense, she was probably dumbest Gov Michigan ever had and we couldn’t wait to get rid of her and her bad policies. And obviously she hasn’t changed. When will she accept the fact people don’t want EV cars they aren’t practical or affordable. People want to get where they’re going fast not hang out at a charging station for hours. So many middle class people are struggling to put food on the table to feed their families….. they won’t be buying EV cars anytime soon or not at all.

Many people will not be able to afford an EV unless China is allowed to flood the market.

IAA Mobility: China's automakers take the world by storm with EV push | CNN Business

Driller703 09-13-2023 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 2256106)
She helped me know why I would never want an EV. 45 minute charge, once you find a charging station, plus the cost of charging.

Oh boy! 30,000 more charging stations! Next maybe they will figure out where all electricity is coming from. Maybe we could get some from LA or San Francisco in the middle of summer! What does a brown out on a charging station look like?

Whitley 09-13-2023 12:00 PM

I do not understand why people are so upset about $5.00 a gallon gasoline. If the price really bothers you, buy a Tesla. If they can not afford one, they shouldn't be driving. That being said, I understand how it feels to be running low on battery charge. One time I was teaching the Dalai Lama how to meditate when I got a call from someone. The cat was missing and so are the batteries. Yeah, for real. This is real no joke. Nap time.


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