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PGApromike 09-17-2023 04:42 PM

High End gears installed
 
I have a 2018 Yamaha Drive 2 fleet. The difference in fleet cart and a PTV is lights and gears. I want to get the high end gears in my fleet cart. I get 18mph and researched stock PTV gears will get me up to the 25mph area it 6-7 mph more. Gears new about $325. I don't have the tools to do it myself or I would.
If you've had this done, love to hear from you
Thanks

Topspinmo 09-17-2023 05:35 PM

Electric or gas? Gas? 8” or 10” wheels? Just crank the governor rpm’s up. And for those say no look around when you going 20/22 and gas cart flies by you with engine wound up. They haven’t blown yet. 21 or 22 gets you 20 mph up most hills. IMO I would go much higher, but that me.

npwalters 09-17-2023 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2258080)
Electric or gas? Gas? 8” or 10” wheels? Just crank the governor rpm’s up. And for those say no look around when you going 20/22 and gas cart flies by you with engine wound up. They haven’t blown yet. 21 or 22 gets you 20 mph up most hills. IMO I would go much higher, but that me.

Pretty sure the OP is talking about gas. Yes, you can get a higher speed on a fleet cart but you are definitely putting more strain on the engine by forcing higher RPMs. As the OP stated the PTVs are geared to allow more speed at less RPM. Most of the carts you see going by over 20 mph are PTVs (but not all). The gear replacement is worth considering if one plans to keep the cart several years.

OP, I bought mine as a PTV so I don't have any useful info on cost to do this.

villagetinker 09-17-2023 06:52 PM

And you now own an unlicensed low speed vehicle, so if you get into an accident, you might find your insurance company will NOT honor your coverage, as normal golf cart insurance does not cover low speed vehicles. Our cart is set for 20 mph, we rarely get passed, but we do not care, we are retired and not in a hurry for anything.
IMHO, be sure you research this before you jump for the higher speed.

Topspinmo 09-17-2023 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by npwalters (Post 2258086)
Pretty sure the OP is talking about gas. Yes, you can get a higher speed on a fleet cart but you are definitely putting more strain on the engine by forcing higher RPMs. As the OP stated the PTVs are geared to allow more speed at less RPM. Most of the carts you see going by over 20 mph are PTVs (but not all). The gear replacement is worth considering if one plans to keep the cart several years.

OP, I bought mine as a PTV so I don't have any useful info on cost to do this.

Let’s see $325 for gear and how much for labor? I bet it’s way over 325 for cracking transaxle open? For 2 or 3 mph I’d just adjust governor (which what it’s for to control speed) but that me. 25 is illegal unless plans on licensing it. I could make mine go 30 but I won’t do it.

Too bad deputy’s don’t do their jobs and ticket golf carts in diamond lanes exceeding 22 plus mph.

RICH1 09-18-2023 06:53 AM

A 10 mm box end wrench will get you what you need…or a zip tie so you can cut it when you get in a wreck and the Insurance company investigates…

drpepper 09-18-2023 07:28 AM

I have done the gears sets in 2 yamaha carts. You don't need any specialty tools, just hand tools, a jack and jack stands. If you aren't mechanically inclined then I wouldn't suggest doing it. Any decent golf cart mechanic can do it. It does drop the rpms down considerably and will make your engine last longer in my opinion. Just because it allows more speed doesn't mean you have to go faster. Most of the Corvettes I see traveling around TV are going 35 to 45 even though they can go 160. Call Todd Casey.

npwalters 09-18-2023 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by drpepper (Post 2258157)
I have done the gears sets in 2 yamaha carts. You don't need any specialty tools, just hand tools, a jack and jack stands. If you aren't mechanically inclined then I wouldn't suggest doing it. Any decent golf cart mechanic can do it. It does drop the rpms down considerably and will make your engine last longer in my opinion. Just because it allows more speed doesn't mean you have to go faster. Most of the Corvettes I see traveling around TV are going 35 to 45 even though they can go 160. Call Todd Casey.

Yep, what he said

Topspinmo 09-18-2023 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by drpepper (Post 2258157)
I have done the gears sets in 2 yamaha carts. You don't need any specialty tools, just hand tools, a jack and jack stands. If you aren't mechanically inclined then I wouldn't suggest doing it. Any decent golf cart mechanic can do it. It does drop the rpms down considerably and will make your engine last longer in my opinion. Just because it allows more speed doesn't mean you have to go faster. Most of the Corvettes I see traveling around TV are going 35 to 45 even though they can go 160. Call Todd Casey.

Waste of money for 2 or 3 mph IMO.

MidWestIA 09-19-2023 05:29 AM

Discount
 
Discount golf could do it for you

TEXJK 09-19-2023 05:35 AM

What’s his number
Thanks

TEXJK 09-19-2023 05:37 AM

How much do they charge to install
Thanks

PGApromike 09-19-2023 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2258080)
Electric or gas? Gas? 8” or 10” wheels? Just crank the governor rpm’s up. And for those say no look around when you going 20/22 and gas cart flies by you with engine wound up. They haven’t blown yet. 21 or 22 gets you 20 mph up most hills. IMO I would go much higher, but that me.

Gas

PGApromike 09-19-2023 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by MidWestIA (Post 2258408)
Discount golf could do it for you

Don't see Discount Golf when I Google it. Thanks I will keep looking.

PGApromike 09-19-2023 06:20 AM

I have seen the install video and seems within my skill set to do it. What did you get as an increase in mph for your gear change?

phousel 09-19-2023 06:20 AM

Hmmmm....
Primary drive is through "tourqe converter". Lowering final gear ratio will increase load on engine. I would think the "slightly" higher RPM (by adjusting govenor) at top speed would be "easier" on the engine.

jimschlaefer 09-19-2023 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by PGApromike (Post 2258068)
I have a 2018 Yamaha Drive 2 fleet. The difference in fleet cart and a PTV is lights and gears. I want to get the high end gears in my fleet cart. I get 18mph and researched stock PTV gears will get me up to the 25mph area it 6-7 mph more. Gears new about $325. I don't have the tools to do it myself or I would.
If you've had this done, love to hear from you
Thanks

I also investigated gears recently and ended up agreeing with several others on this thread. With wheels, a going theory is you can add about 1mph for each additional inch of diameter on wheels. I have a 2021 Drive 2 QuietTech fleet vehicle and tied the governor open. Using my GPS speedometer as the reference I went from about 22 mph wide open to, on average, 24 mph and hit 25 often depending on how the wind's blowing. Highest recorded speed has been 27 mph. So for the cost of a tiewrap vs $300 - $500, I've increased buggie speed by 3 - 5 mph. No changes in tires either. That's just my personal experience.

nn0wheremann 09-19-2023 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by PGApromike (Post 2258068)
I have a 2018 Yamaha Drive 2 fleet. The difference in fleet cart and a PTV is lights and gears. I want to get the high end gears in my fleet cart. I get 18mph and researched stock PTV gears will get me up to the 25mph area it 6-7 mph more. Gears new about $325. I don't have the tools to do it myself or I would.
If you've had this done, love to hear from you
Thanks

Ask your friendly sheriff’s deputy about the cost of operating an unlicensed and improperly equipped low speed vehicle. Separate tickets for no wipers, no hydraulic brakes, improper wheels and tires, etc etc, and of course no insurance.

bcsnave 09-19-2023 08:59 AM

I have the 2022 Quiet Tech PTV. It has the "high speed gear" set. We have 10" wheels with 205/65-10 tires. These are 20 inch diameter and the cart goes 20mph. I am not a golfer and we use the cart for transportation only.

The Fleet carts are made for the golf course and top out at 13-15 mph. So when the OP is looking at the high speed gears it is certainly not going to make the cart a speed demon.

An hey, if you want to spend you money on the gears, do it. Other folks here might choose to spend $500 on painting team murals on their cart. Or others may add speakers or a hard enclosure. It's your money do as you want.

LivinDream665 09-19-2023 08:59 AM

I've had this done on my fleet 2019 Yamaha. If you increase the governed speed and run it too long if will damage the governor. I got mine up too 19 mph but the rpm's were so high the rear end pressure relief hose was constantly leaking fluid. If you want the new gear installed dm me and I will send you the local guy I used. Good luck.

JMintzer 09-19-2023 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by PGApromike (Post 2258424)
Don't see Discount Golf when I Google it. Thanks I will keep looking.

The Villages Discount Golf Carts...

Topspinmo 09-19-2023 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by LivinDream665 (Post 2258538)
I've had this done on my fleet 2019 Yamaha. If you increase the governed speed and run it too long if will damage the governor. I got mine up to 19 mph but the rpm's were so high the rear end pressure relief hose was constantly leaking fluid. If you want the new gear installed dm me and I will send you the local guy I used. Good luck.

I highly doubt that due to all Yamaha gas carts flying by me with golf clubs on back. I would check transaxle gear oil level it might be over filled?

JMintzer 09-19-2023 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2258597)
I highly doubt that due to all Yamaha gas carts flying by me with golf clubs on back. I would check transaxle gear oil level it might be over filled?

There is a difference between "Fleet" Yamaha carts and their "PTV" carts...

The "Fleet" carts don't have the "High Speed Gears" and are designed to only top out at abut 15 mph. Very few of them are sold in TV...

jimjamuser 09-19-2023 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGApromike (Post 2258068)
I have a 2018 Yamaha Drive 2 fleet. The difference in fleet cart and a PTV is lights and gears. I want to get the high end gears in my fleet cart. I get 18mph and researched stock PTV gears will get me up to the 25mph area it 6-7 mph more. Gears new about $325. I don't have the tools to do it myself or I would.
If you've had this done, love to hear from you
Thanks

I completely don't UNDERSTAND why The Villages does NOT Police the golf carts speed enough so that everyone is doing around 15 MPH. Allowing some people to have faster golf carts is just asking for EXCESSIVE passing and therefore ACCIDENTS. We are all retired here........what is the hurry.........some people get to the swimming pool faster so that they get more suntan and skin cancer. They end up walking sideways in the pool anyway.
......... Golf carts have high centers of gravity (maybe not the E-carts) and when you increase their top speed you increase the likelihood of a rollover. They are designed to go SLOW on purpose.

jimjamuser 09-19-2023 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by RICH1 (Post 2258141)
A 10 mm box end wrench will get you what you need…or a zip tie so you can cut it when you get in a wreck and the Insurance company investigates…

Yes, after a rollover when someone is hurt or knocked out, they will while unconscious, cut that zip tie. What a great plan (so devious) to be able to brag that they go 5 MPH faster than someone else. I think that I would use my time and brain cells in more productive activity. Go work at a charity.

jimjamuser 09-19-2023 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by drpepper (Post 2258157)
I have done the gears sets in 2 yamaha carts. You don't need any specialty tools, just hand tools, a jack and jack stands. If you aren't mechanically inclined then I wouldn't suggest doing it. Any decent golf cart mechanic can do it. It does drop the rpms down considerably and will make your engine last longer in my opinion. Just because it allows more speed doesn't mean you have to go faster. Most of the Corvettes I see traveling around TV are going 35 to 45 even though they can go 160. Call Todd Casey.

When you drop the RPMs in a gas cart (or any vehicle) you get into the lower part of the torque curve and the engine likely will labor from rest up to speed. That will make the engine less reliable over time.

jimjamuser 09-19-2023 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phousel (Post 2258430)
Hmmmm....
Primary drive is through "tourqe converter". Lowering final gear ratio will increase load on engine. I would think the "slightly" higher RPM (by adjusting govenor) at top speed would be "easier" on the engine.

I agree, but I would NOT waste my time doing either one. I would rather use my time fishing or doing something equally boring like playing golf.

jimjamuser 09-19-2023 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jimschlaefer (Post 2258469)
I also investigated gears recently and ended up agreeing with several others on this thread. With wheels, a going theory is you can add about 1mph for each additional inch of diameter on wheels. I have a 2021 Drive 2 QuietTech fleet vehicle and tied the governor open. Using my GPS speedometer as the reference I went from about 22 mph wide open to, on average, 24 mph and hit 25 often depending on how the wind's blowing. Highest recorded speed has been 27 mph. So for the cost of a tiewrap vs $300 - $500, I've increased buggie speed by 3 - 5 mph. No changes in tires either. That's just my personal experience.

I wish that the Police or cameras could give out tickets to control all excessive speeding in a golf cart or in a regular automobile. Suppose a speeding golf car rolls over (they do that a LOT) and hits some member of your family?

jimjamuser 09-19-2023 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bcsnave (Post 2258537)
I have the 2022 Quiet Tech PTV. It has the "high speed gear" set. We have 10" wheels with 205/65-10 tires. These are 20 inch diameter and the cart goes 20mph. I am not a golfer and we use the cart for transportation only.

The Fleet carts are made for the golf course and top out at 13-15 mph. So when the OP is looking at the high speed gears it is certainly not going to make the cart a speed demon.

An hey, if you want to spend you money on the gears, do it. Other folks here might choose to spend $500 on painting team murals on their cart. Or others may add speakers or a hard enclosure. It's your money do as you want.

That would be fine if a rollover or other accident does NOT affect other people. It will cost society money for an ambulance and clog up the hospital unnecessarily.

Kenswing 09-19-2023 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2258627)
That would be fine if a rollover or other accident does NOT affect other people. It will cost society money for an ambulance and clog up the hospital unnecessarily.

Will there ever be a time that stating your opinion just once will be enough? Being a broken record isn't going to make people listen to you. It's just going to make them ignore you even more than they already do.

jimjamuser 09-19-2023 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by LivinDream665 (Post 2258538)
I've had this done on my fleet 2019 Yamaha. If you increase the governed speed and run it too long if will damage the governor. I got mine up too 19 mph but the rpm's were so high the rear end pressure relief hose was constantly leaking fluid. If you want the new gear installed dm me and I will send you the local guy I used. Good luck.

Rather than go to ALL that waste of time and money, I would put that money into a collectible automobile instead. Better for starting conversations than, "My golf cart can beat your golf cart by 4 MPH".

DAVES 09-19-2023 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by PGApromike (Post 2258068)
I have a 2018 Yamaha Drive 2 fleet. The difference in fleet cart and a PTV is lights and gears. I want to get the high end gears in my fleet cart. I get 18mph and researched stock PTV gears will get me up to the 25mph area it 6-7 mph more. Gears new about $325. I don't have the tools to do it myself or I would.
If you've had this done, love to hear from you
Thanks

No shortage of OPINIONS. You should call the police, they used to likely still do a question and answer presentation at Savanna center-once a month.

The speed limit is 20 mph faster and it needs plates and insurance.

JMintzer 09-19-2023 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2258619)
I completely don't UNDERSTAND why The Villages does NOT Police the golf carts speed enough so that everyone is doing around 15 MPH. Allowing some people to have faster golf carts is just asking for EXCESSIVE passing and therefore ACCIDENTS. We are all retired here........what is the hurry.........some people get to the swimming pool faster so that they get more suntan and skin cancer. They end up walking sideways in the pool anyway.
......... Golf carts have high centers of gravity (maybe not the E-carts) and when you increase their top speed you increase the likelihood of a rollover. They are designed to go SLOW on purpose.

PTVs are designed to go faster ON PURPOSE...

drpepper 09-20-2023 06:54 AM

With the taller gears, 205 65 10 tires and a govenor adjustment the top speed was 29 to 30.


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