Hottest September Ever Recorded by a LOT Don't listen to the deniers / liars
 

This graph uses as a zero point the temperature average over a 30 year period from 1991 to 2020. Of course this was a period when temps were already moving upward as you can see looking at how no years prior to 2002 were warmer than that average. So when a person who regularly posts that we are in a cooling trend selectively uses a single hot year as a baseline, know you are being manipulated and lied to.

Can you provide a link to your information? Not sure but it seems like your information is pointed toward Europe, right? Interesting, but it also appears like you are attempting to debate your view against someone else's.

Certainly matches my personal experience. I remember snowmobiling most weekends in the 70s, maybe one year in the early 80s, and rarely enough snow to cover the ground now. I also remember not even considering AC in the early 80s but now you can barely live without it.

Good luck with the deniers.

And now they are calling for a record "COLDEST" winter due to El Nino. I moved to Florida to get away from cold weather and so far I have been surprised by some pretty cold nights during the "winter" months.

That's fine----SO WHAT??????

8 year cooling trend, 30 year warming trend, 150 years of warming----SO WHAT. It means nothing in the last 4.5 million years of our current ICE AGE marked by 70-120,000 years of alternating periods of glaciation and interglacial thaws. Our current warming trend started about 19,000 years ago and will probably continue for the next 25-30,000 years. At the peak of warming, most of Florida will be gone and our coastal cities will be under 200-400 feet of water, AS IT HAS BEEN AT LEAST A DOZEN TIMES OVER THOSE 4.5 MILLION YEARS. And guess what? Fifty thousand year or so later, NYC will once again be covered by 2 miles of ice, AS IT HAS BEEN AT LEAST A DOZEN TIMES OVER THOSE 4.5 MILLION YEARS. And now for the harsh reality---none of that was influenced by any human (or humanoid) activity. NONE OF IT.

So, the climate change alarmists can go on spouting their garbage. Those few in the position to profit from all the hype will make $billions if not $trillions. The lemmings will march off and buy their EVs and put solar panels on their roofs. The media will continue to push this false narrative---and guess what again---none of it will make the slightest difference. We simply do not have the technology to challenge the power of the sun, Earth's orbit and precession of our axis.

And finally, as a promise to one who is constantly sounding the imminent disaster alarm, here is a picture. It was taken last month off the Isle of Capri in the Mediterranean (well actually, the Gulf of Naples) at high tide. The dark line along the cliff about 15-20 feet ABOVE the water (above the boat on the left, sorry about the resolution but it was hazy) is erosion from where the sea level was 2,000 years ago when Ceasar Augustus ruled. So much for ocean levels rising in the last 2,000 years, and at the current rate of rise we have quite a long time just to get back to the level of Roman times. Yes, we'll get there and hundreds of feet more, but not in the next decades, but in many millennia.

My time so far on this planet covers the whole of that graph.
It is obvious, whatever data is thrown up to the contrary, that over that period winters are no where near as cold.
The simple reason is, many plants now survive winters in the ground, which would not have done so over 20 years ago.
Gardens can tell you many things, as Nature does not take prisoners.

Man made? Natural climate progression? :shrug:

You believe sea levels fell 15-20 feet in the 1500 years preceding the "discovery" of the new world (assuming the coast hasn't changed much since that time)? They say a picture is worth a thousand words - it would be nice to see even a few hundred confirming and explaining that.

No, I'm stating that the sea level, at least in that part of the Mediterranean Sea, was 15-20 feet HIGHER 2000 years ago. It may very well be rising since some time after hitting a low point, we know it is currently rising. And it will continue to rise. And it's not me stating it, it was an expert on local history and geography.

Very interesting. And here is a graph that includes the ACTUAL hottest year ever recorded in the United States -- 1938.

Believe it or not, the word "ever" also includes about 4 billion years of history that occurred before we were even a gleam in our father's eye.

Before you condemn 7 billion people for poverty to adjust the thermostat to your liking, maybe you should try to explain why a year your parents would have remembered was hotter than any year you have experienced since Al Gore told you the world would end in 2017 due to "global warming".

Bingo.

WOW---you're old:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: (just kidding)
But.....your lifespan and that graph covers 0.00018% of our current ice age and 0.00000018% of the climate history of the Earth.
So CLEARLY, OVERWHELMINGLY natural climate progression with a smidgeon of recent man-made thrown in.

Since I am not a geologist, I would be interested how much of the change that you have noted is due to plate tectonics - the African plate moving into the Eurasian plate in the Mediterranean Sea.

( I forgot to add the quote showing the picture of rocks in the Mediterranean, sorry)

No idea, but logically if the Eurasian and African plates were moving closer to each other, the width of the Mediterranean would narrow and raise the water level. Of course, plates move quite slowly (except in earthquakes, but that is a release of tension and not continental drift), and can be measure in millions of years, so 2,000 years, appears, at least empirically, to be too short a time frame.

Perhaps instead of saying we heard it on the internet it must be true, should say Al Gore said and it must be ______.:bigbow:

Isn't that the same thing, since he invented it???:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

You do realize that the Mediterranean Sea is connected to the Atlantic Ocean via the Straits of Gibraltar. Also, Mount Blanc in the Alps is 15,776 feet above sea level. Given that the Alps were also created by plate tectonics. This would mean that Mont Blanc would take about 1.5 million years o ties to that height if we use the apparent shift in land mass in your picture (20 ft in 2000 years). A change of 0.01 ft per year would be barely perceptible.

A 20 foot difference in ocean level is not created by land mass shifts, we are talking about global temperatures and the amount of water tied up in polar ice caps. I can't imagine continental drift plays a major role.

Of the 50 or so climate alarmist predictions I've heard over my life, the number that have come to fruition is zero. I bought this house in Massachusetts on a small mountain expecting to sell it as waterfront property, and darnit if you wouldn't know it's still on a mountain.

So if I turn up my thermostat and don't drive that's going to make an effect. Are you CRAZY. Look at the sheer number of people in India, China, Africa etc and they want to live like us so they are JUST STARTING to buy cars, get electricity, etc and do you think they are going to give that up....NOT. Plus, how do you know CO2 level increases are not from the huge amount of undersea volcanos? The climate may be changing but it always has and always will. Humans have always had to adapt to live besides the main problem with our planet right now is OVERPOPULATION. If we had half the people, everything would be fine.

I’ll post the link later to the study of Augusto’s Capri home that is now *under* 4.2m of water. It includes the statement that the Med has risen since Roman times. Or maybe the sea levels are different on opposite sides of the island.

Or maybe pictures don't lie? Or maybe the local "expert" lacked expertise? Or maybe it doesn't matter since in 50,000 years we'll all be underwater anyway----note 50 THOUSAND years NOT 20, or 50 or 100

Fair enough.

Where I am it hasn’t rained in the last three days but still there is water in the streets near drainage grates. There is also a salt water flood warning for the rest of the day. Sea rise is affecting cities today, tens of thousands of years before the period some seem to be focused on.

Also fair enough. But there is a huge difference between a puddle in a city street and being under 400 feet of water. But then again, no one knows for certain what the "expected" sea rise will be. I suspect it is different in each of the dozen or more freeze/thaw cycles we've had over the last 4.5 million years.

So how was your vacation?

Even if the whole climate issue is real I don't believe that the ridiculous measures that they are trying to mandate and going to make much difference. Why electric cars, which have their own issues, and appliances? Why not corporate jets and yachts and excessive mcmansions? Why do we take the hit while the super rich go unscathed? Published estimates of top billionaires' annual emissions in 2021 and found that a superyacht — with permanent crew, helicopter pad, submarines and pools — emits about 7,020 tons of carbon dioxide a year, over 1,500 times higher than a typical family car.

Follow the money. None of the climate alarmists have any actual solutions. The policies they propose line their pockets, steal from ours and don’t reduce pollution at all. No studies need to be read to see this plainly obvious fact.

When the climate alarmists start hyperventilating, I just roll my eyes and walk away. There is nothing significant we can do, especially as well less than half the population of the world, to change the climate OF AN ENTIRE PLANET.

Should we work to reduce pollution? Absolutely, and the US, Western Europe, and Japan have led the way in this area since the 1970's. But CO2 is not pollution, it is a necessary component of life on earth.

Is the average temperature increasing? Perhaps. But all we can do is adapt to it. EV, solar, and wind will make little to no difference, anymore than washing my car makes it rain. And nuclear, which is zero emissions, also leads to hyperventilation of the same people. Who by the way, when you look at how they live their personal lives, gives no indication that they believe in what they say.

So I'm going to live my life as I see fit, and ignore the Chicken Littles. Gotta go watch the Bears lose now.

Kent Island is sinking...

Since the Mediterranean Sea isn't a closed body of water, why would the level rise if it got narrower?

Could be, wasn't aware. Affected by high levels more often but is not where I currently am. Guess that makes the effects even more widespread.

The very first couple words are your link, Note that per the routine on this website they are a different color. Click on it

[QUOTE=Blueblaze;2262862]Very interesting. And Here is a link that works that will debunk your statement about it being the hottest year ever in the US and clarifying that global climate change means GLOBAL not just a local area.
Note that the data in the graph at this link only go to 2016. While the middle of the 1930s was exceptionally hot in the US and Canada this was a local phenomenon, part and parcel of the dust belt disaster. Interestingly the winters were brutally cold.

Haven't been on a vacation. No idea what you might be suggesting.

At one time I think it was closed. But that's irrelevant since continental drift is not a factor here

Just haven’t seen you posting in a while.

I treat the deniers the same as people with face/neck tattoos or orange spray tan treatments. Easy way to identify low IQ people.

Let's just say that I am a skeptic, I may or may not be, but for the sake of argument let's assume I am. So what? Why is it important that I or anyone else believe you? What difference does it make? Just asking.

It has become like a religion for some people.

Let's not forget that during past warm periods, the earth had the greatest amount of life and biodiversity. The planet was not some great sahara desert. Quite the contrary. That much moisture, unlocked into our atmosphere, caused prime conditions for life to thrive. The coldest periods come with the least amount of life.

Really?

First of all, we need to get the definitions straight:
The true "deniers" are those that lack the intellect or education to understand that the climate has been changing for billions of years, the most recent change is that we have been in an ICE AGE for the last 4.5 million years. They don't understand that during this time there have been repetitive cycles of glaciation and interglacial thaws over a dozen times. They don't understand that we are on the warming arm of these cycles, and that started about 19,000 years ago, WITH NO HELP FROM HUMANS. They don't understand that the #1 greenhouse gas is water vapor, not CO2. They have no understanding of paleoclimatology.

As far as identifying those with a low IQ,,,,,,,,,,,,