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Randall55 10-05-2023 07:04 PM

AirBnB- renter stays for 540 days without paying rent
 
In California, a savvy renter has not paid rent for 540 days. The owner of the AirBnb cannot have the person evicted because the home does not meet California compliance. The renter wants $100,000 to leave the residence. Interesting article some investors may want to read. There are nightmare tenants out there. Beware!

Stu from NYC 10-05-2023 07:13 PM

Wholly mackeral. Would think the owner needs to talk to a real estate attorney

OrangeBlossomBaby 10-05-2023 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Randall55 (Post 2262937)
In California, a savvy renter has not paid rent for 540 days. The owner of the AirBnb cannot have the person evicted because the home does not meet California compliance. The renter wants $100,000 to leave the residence. Interesting article some investors may want to read. There are nightmare tenants out there. Beware!

Where is the article? You didn't mention where you found this information or offer a link to it.

Randall55 10-05-2023 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2262969)
Where is the article? You didn't mention where you found this information or offer a link to it.

I figured those who were interested could google the words California renter 540 days. I did not put up a link because there are several articles. Each provides information that is not found in the others.

Chi-Town 10-05-2023 09:54 PM

If true, owner needs to hire Carmine and Guido.

OrangeBlossomBaby 10-05-2023 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Randall55 (Post 2262937)
In California, a savvy renter has not paid rent for 540 days. The owner of the AirBnb cannot have the person evicted because the home does not meet California compliance. The renter wants $100,000 to leave the residence. Interesting article some investors may want to read. There are nightmare tenants out there. Beware!

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Originally Posted by Randall55 (Post 2262972)
I figured those who were interested could google the words California renter 540 days. I did not put up a link because there are several articles. Each provides information that is not found in the others.

You singled out one specific article. That indicates that you were referring to that one article that you singled out. When you do something like that, it helps to cite your source, so people can see which article you're talking about. If you weren't referring to one specific article, maybe you could've - y'know - not stated there was a singular article. Or said something like "several interesting articles".

margaretmattson 10-05-2023 10:16 PM

Not surprised. I have lived beside a few problem renters. My heart goes out to the owner.

Dond1959 10-06-2023 05:28 AM

Airbnb Host Didn't Register Home Properly, Can't Remove 540-Day Guest

Bill14564 10-06-2023 05:54 AM

Has little to do with airbnb and much to do with unscrupulous renters and lawyers. Hate to see laws that were put in place to provide protection being used as weapons. Would like to think it is only California but have heard of squatter cases in many states.

JGibson 10-06-2023 09:27 AM

I know a neighbor in NY who didn't pay rent for 2 years and after going back and forth to court welfare ended paying the back 2 years of rent only for him to not pay rent for another 2 years before they were finally able to get the Marshall to come and evict him.

So 4 years of free rent. Folks know how to play the system in certain cities.

justjim 10-06-2023 09:50 AM

California
 
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Originally Posted by Randall55 (Post 2262937)
In California, a savvy renter has not paid rent for 540 days. The owner of the AirBnb cannot have the person evicted because the home does not meet California compliance. The renter wants $100,000 to leave the residence. Interesting article some investors may want to read. There are nightmare tenants out there. Beware!

Nothing surprises me as to what happens in California!

OrangeBlossomBaby 10-06-2023 10:16 AM

These kinds of things don't only happen in California. And they don't only happen with AirBnB rentals for sure. Squatting is an age-old "tradition" and eviction laws exist to protect tenants from being unfairly thrown out of their apartments to make way for new tenants who pay higher rents. Unfortunately sometimes these laws go too far with their protections and end up shafting the landlord instead.

Seems like this was one extreme case with someone who has a history of abusing their status as a tenant. The things you learn when you go to Harvard. . .

justjim 10-06-2023 11:40 AM

No need to go to Harvard to learn how to “work” the system. They live among us!

Rainger99 10-06-2023 01:02 PM

Let's hope that she doesn't move to the Villages!

EXCLUSIVE: Airbnb guest Elizabeth Hirschhorn was kicked out of an Oakland rental two months before moving into Sascha Jovanovic's Brentwood mansion where the Harvard grad has overstayed for 540 days | Daily Mail Online

coralway 10-06-2023 01:51 PM

It’s not a nightmare tenant, it’s a stupid owner

manaboutown 10-06-2023 02:13 PM

Arrest the squatter and lock her up!

PhilG 10-07-2023 04:47 AM

"savy"? Perhaps evil is more appropriate.

jswirs 10-07-2023 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Randall55 (Post 2262937)
In California, a savvy renter has not paid rent for 540 days. The owner of the AirBnb cannot have the person evicted because the home does not meet California compliance. The renter wants $100,000 to leave the residence. Interesting article some investors may want to read. There are nightmare tenants out there. Beware!

Ever see the movie "Pacific Heights"?

terryf484 10-07-2023 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2262969)
Where is the article? You didn't mention where you found this information or offer a link to it.

Brentwood Airbnb Tenant Won’t Leave or Pay Rent for Months

La lamy 10-07-2023 05:25 AM

Off topic, but reminds me of adult kids who just won't leave...

GizmoWhiskers 10-07-2023 05:42 AM

It's the risk you take running an ABnB or renting your home out. When things go well you get a house paid for by someone else and life is great! You get a squatter and you lose a lot or just a little. Roll the dice. It's on you.

AbnB's and short term hotel like rentals subject neighbors to risks that $$ making landlords could care less about. I don't feel sorry for home owners rolling the dice and being raked over the coals by squatters. Live and learn - the theives do.

Bill14564 10-07-2023 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by GizmoWhiskers (Post 2263265)
It's the risk you take running an ABnB or renting your home out. When things go well you get a house paid for by someone else and life is great! You get a squatter and you lose a lot or just a little. Roll the dice. It's on you.

AbnB's and short term hotel like rentals subject neighbors to risks that $$ making landlords could care less about. I don't feel sorry for home owners rolling the dice and being raked over the coals by squatters. Live and learn - the theives do.

A six month lease is "short term?"

GizmoWhiskers 10-07-2023 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2263268)
A six month lease is "short term?"

Easier to research backwards. Florida for example: 181 days or more is considered long term rental in FL. Short term can be defined by city or county ordinances but is generally 30 days or less but research would better define that. In a quick glance I saw a couple FL cities that defined str as 14 days or less. I also see where short term rental is different than "vacation" rental. I think vacation rental in FL bridges the gap between long term and short term rental definition.

jimleas 10-07-2023 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by jswirs (Post 2263253)
Ever see the movie "Pacific Heights"?

I was thinking the same thing. Great movie!

Trishakaye 10-07-2023 07:37 AM

Wow

Marine1974 10-07-2023 08:36 AM

It was on the news channels. Would it be ok with you if I didn’t mention the news channel because it was on several .

BrianL99 10-07-2023 08:45 AM

This story has little or nothing to do with "AirBnB". AirBnB is no different than "Villagers Rent", Craig's List, FaceBook, Zillow or any place else that advertises real estate. AriBnB is simply another website.

It has nothing to do with Short Term Rentals. The original term for rental was 6 months. Housing is regulated by most every state in the USA and regulated by US laws & HUD regulations.

Similar situations arise every day. Once someone has established a building as their "home", the occupancy rules change. In many states, once you stay more than 30 days in a hotel, you become a "resident" and the hotel owner can't throw you out, without a Court Order ... which in some states, could take more than a year to obtain.

I personally have 2 friends, who allowed their girlfriends and their children to move into their homes. They have now been paying for those houses and all the expenses of the houses, for years.

Sensationalism sells newspapers and click-bait hits ... & apparently, ToV interest.

ron32162 10-07-2023 08:48 AM

Wantobe air bnb landlords ,most are novelist kind of like home flippers just enough knowledge to get themselves into costly trouble. The State of Florida has Very different laws than California on tenant rights and with the court system in Florida evictions are one of the things put to the FRONT of the docket. Having a good rental agreement you can have anyone out in 30 to 45 days.

scooterstang 10-07-2023 09:35 AM

I saw the story on News Nation with Laura Ingram made me sick to my stomach!! This female has done this several times to other tenants also. the Dr. That owns the adjoining house can't do a thing to get rid of her. She lives only feet away from his door. Laura Ingram made sure to mention her name repeatedly and show her pic during the interview with the doctors lawyer. He is not allowed to change the locks while she is gone.

Driller703 10-07-2023 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jswirs (Post 2263253)
Ever see the movie "Pacific Heights"?

Excellent movie

retiredguy123 10-07-2023 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by La lamy (Post 2263261)
Off topic, but reminds me of adult kids who just won't leave...

Won't leave? They would leave my house in a minute.

Get real 10-07-2023 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by scooterstang (Post 2263365)
I saw the story on News Nation with Laura Ingram made me sick to my stomach!! This female has done this several times to other tenants also. the Dr. That owns the adjoining house can't do a thing to get rid of her. She lives only feet away from his door. Laura Ingram made sure to mention her name repeatedly and show her pic during the interview with the doctors lawyer. He is not allowed to change the locks while she is gone.

Only in California would there be such a ridiculous law to protect a thief. Ok, maybe NY and Chicago.

lpkruege1 10-07-2023 11:36 AM

This is Why we don't live in California.
 
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Originally Posted by Randall55 (Post 2262937)
In California, a savvy renter has not paid rent for 540 days. The owner of the AirBnb cannot have the person evicted because the home does not meet California compliance. The renter wants $100,000 to leave the residence. Interesting article some investors may want to read. There are nightmare tenants out there. Beware!

Just remember, this is why so many people from California are moving here. Hopefully they don't vote like they did in California. Remember, stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Hape2Bhr 10-07-2023 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JGibson (Post 2263119)
I know a neighbor in NY who didn't pay rent for 2 years and after going back and forth to court welfare ended paying the back 2 years of rent only for him to not pay rent for another 2 years before they were finally able to get the Marshall to come and evict him.

So 4 years of free rent. Folks know how to play the system in certain cities.

Fortunately this is personnal knowledge, not something you read in an article.

Pugchief 10-07-2023 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Get real (Post 2263387)
Only in California would there be such a ridiculous law to protect a thief. Ok, maybe NY and Chicago.

Exactly. It's laws that favor tenants over landlords in virtually every situation which are a hallmark in large cities that have "progressive" policies.

Get real 10-07-2023 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2263456)
Exactly. It's laws that favor tenants over landlords in virtually every situation which are a hallmark in large cities that have "progressive" policies.

I don't feel bad for them because they voted for this insanity. Elections have consequences.

OrangeBlossomBaby 10-07-2023 02:46 PM

I get that this woman abused the system to get free rent. I think it's atrocious. But you can't blame politics for this. The city has zoning laws. The owner of the property violated the law. If the owner hadn't violated the law, then that tenant wouldn't have been allowed to move in, in the first place. OR, the property would've been brought into compliance, and the tenant wouldn't have been exempt from the eviction process.

Sort of like - you can run a red light. There's nothing physically stopping you from doing so. And if there's no cop to witness it, you'll probably get away with it. But if you run it, and someone its your car - you really can't blame the city for putting the light there. It's your own fault for running it.

The landlord ran the red zoning light. The landlord has only themselves to blame for breaking the rules. As they say: FAFO.

Kelevision 10-08-2023 03:07 AM

It’s like that movie Pacific Heights with MIchael Keaton, Melanie Griffith

Get real 10-08-2023 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2263475)
I get that this woman abused the system to get free rent. I think it's atrocious. But you can't blame politics for this. The city has zoning laws. The owner of the property violated the law. If the owner hadn't violated the law, then that tenant wouldn't have been allowed to move in, in the first place. OR, the property would've been brought into compliance, and the tenant wouldn't have been exempt from the eviction process.

Sort of like - you can run a red light. There's nothing physically stopping you from doing so. And if there's no cop to witness it, you'll probably get away with it. But if you run it, and someone its your car - you really can't blame the city for putting the light there. It's your own fault for running it.

The landlord ran the red zoning light. The landlord has only themselves to blame for breaking the rules. As they say: FAFO.

Yes and no. She did break the rules but the elected officials put those "protections" for other criminals into the law.

retiredguy123 10-08-2023 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Get real (Post 2263638)
Yes and no. She did break the rules but the elected officials put those "protections" for other criminals into the law.

To me, it's pretty simple. If you own a property and someone is occupying it without a valid lease, you should have the right to force them to leave. Elected officials have no right to protect a squatter with stupid laws.


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