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CoachKandSportsguy 10-20-2023 11:31 AM

How long before its an issue here in TV?
 
is the rapid building here in central rural florida threatening the water supply?

Cape Coral homeowners dealing with dried-up wells - WINK News

justjim 10-20-2023 12:29 PM

Cape Coral is on the gulf side of Florida near Fort Myers. Attempting to compare Cape Coral water supply to Central Florida is as different as apples and oranges. Bottom line: Cape Coral available water supply has nothing at all to do with the available water in Central Florida.

Bill14564 10-20-2023 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 2266975)
Cape Coral is on the gulf side of Florida near Fort Myers. Attempting to compare Cape Coral water supply to Central Florida is as different as apples and oranges. Bottom line: Cape Coral available water supply has nothing at all to do with the available water in Central Florida.

Increasing population using more and more water from an aquifer is not unique to the gulf side of Florida. Perhaps a different aquifer (still checking on that) but the concept is the same.

I thought I saw a study, probably from NSCUDD, about the amount of water they were pulling from the aquifer compared to what they have been allotted. I'm still looking for that as well.

dewilson58 10-20-2023 01:01 PM

9 years, 4 months, 16 days.

CoachKandSportsguy 10-20-2023 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2266984)
9 years, 4 months, 16 days.

identified as a :22yikes: -->> Mr Cryptic, not Mr Helpful

Bogie Shooter 10-20-2023 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2266984)
9 years, 4 months, 16 days.

I recalculated using the data you provided and I believe you are off by 17 day and 3 hours.:):ho:

asianthree 10-20-2023 03:18 PM

Better yet how many will take a dirt nap, before this will be an issue in TV

golfing eagles 10-20-2023 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2266962)
is the rapid building here in central rural florida threatening the water supply?

Cape Coral homeowners dealing with dried-up wells - WINK News

The good news---according to the USGS, the deep Florida aquifer extends to Nebraska.

twoplanekid 10-20-2023 03:36 PM

Village District staff says that "Water Source: Municipalities most concerned about climate change are those that use surface water. NSCUDD system uses Lower Florida wells (old aquifers) ground water that won’t be affected by seasonal drought conditions. "

Staff and our consultants insist that NSCUDD will never run out of water. However, sometimes SWFWMD restricts our water usage because other areas that they control have issues with limited water resources. For some reason they must issue a area wide advisory or restriction on water usage that would/could include us along with the low on water areas.

At least that is my understanding of what happens.

Bill14564 10-20-2023 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2267019)
The good news---according to the USGS, the deep Florida aquifer extends to Nebraska.

I was thinking of the Floridian aquifer.
USGS: Floridian Aquifer
USGS: Aquifers of the US

There must be another.

golfing eagles 10-20-2023 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2267028)
I was thinking of the Floridian aquifer.
USGS: Floridian Aquifer
USGS: Aquifers of the US

There must be another.

Doubt it. I had seen that extent a few years ago and I don't know on which site, so I think your map is accurate.

Stu from NYC 10-20-2023 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2267019)
The good news---according to the USGS, the deep Florida aquifer extends to Nebraska.

Does this mean that some of the water we drink comes from Nebraska where they have more cows than people? Makes bottled water seem more attractive.:bigbow:

star20166@yahoo.com 10-21-2023 04:18 AM

Water availability will become the world's number1 priority. I think our solution is a political one. While we have a Governor DeSantis and a super majority in the state chambers and billions in budget surplus I suggest we all email DeSantis and JP Temple to demand desalination plants for agriculture and human consumption. The technology is there for a public/private partnership.


E-Mail Representative John Paul Temple

Email the Governor

DPWM21 10-21-2023 05:03 AM

Love attached links! Helpful

RICH1 10-21-2023 05:27 AM

Home Insurance companies will
Dry up and leave the state before we run out of water…

dewilson58 10-21-2023 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2267010)
I recalculated using the data you provided and I believe you are off by 17 day and 3 hours.:):ho:

Heading to Sam's right now and stocking up on bottled water.

:crap2:

ThirdOfFive 10-21-2023 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by star20166@yahoo.com (Post 2267120)
Water availability will become the world's number1 priority. I think our solution is a political one. While we have a Governor DeSantis and a super majority in the state chambers and billions in budget surplus I suggest we all email DeSantis and JP Temple to demand desalination plants for agriculture and human consumption. The technology is there for a public/private partnership.


E-Mail Representative John Paul Temple

Email the Governor

Desalination could certainly be one of the answers. Cruise ships make their own fresh water out of seawater and when you consider that a ship might have over 9,000 people on it often for a week or more, all using water probably even more than they use at home, plus swimming pools, hot tubs, water slides, etc. desalination certainly could serve a whole lot of people especially if they use water sparingly.

However I've read articles by environmentalists who are strongly against desalination as a means of obtaining water. Their claim is that the desalination plants discharge their wastewater, the salinity of which is many times saltier than the original water, right back into the ocean and that poses a danger to marine life, so...

GizmoWhiskers 10-21-2023 06:27 AM

I believe historically since the beginning of time FL has been under water in various degrees. One day T V may be nearly ocean front by then turning salt water to drinkable water through desalination processes would be a good technology to implement.

If I were concerned about future resourses in T V, I would be more concerned about the dwindling space for farming and raising cattle because mealworm burgers may be ok for some but in T V I prefer to know that I'm not eating bugs being called meat.

merrymini 10-21-2023 06:30 AM

Water may well be the next crisis. I never waste anything, especially water. Front loading washers use much less water. Run the water into containers for the garden when you run it for hot water. No unnecessary watering for lawn and garden. You would be surprised how much water you can save.

NotGolfer 10-21-2023 06:31 AM

Israeli's have found a way to get water. I don't think we're in danger here. IF nothing else ocean water can be made drinkable and usable. There's plenty surrounding the peninsula. I don't worry about such things.

dewilson58 10-21-2023 06:35 AM

1 Attachment(s)
Urophagia.

ThirdOfFive 10-21-2023 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2267170)
Urophagia.

Lol!

As they say on the space station:

"Today's coffee--is tomorrow's coffee".

Two Bills 10-21-2023 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2267149)
However I've read articles by environmentalists who are strongly against desalination as a means of obtaining water. Their claim is that the desalination plants discharge their wastewater, the salinity of which is many times saltier than the original water, right back into the ocean and that poses a danger to marine life, so...

Won't be a problem.
Desalination will lower the warned about rise in ocean levels
With Polar cap melt, glacier melt, and the prophesied rain and flooding, the extra salt will also be neutralized.
Win. Win! :thumbup:

airstreamingypsy 10-21-2023 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2267106)
Does this mean that some of the water we drink comes from Nebraska where they have more cows than people? Makes bottled water seem more attractive.:bigbow:

Bottled water is tap water in a bottle......

jimkerr 10-21-2023 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2266962)
is the rapid building here in central rural florida threatening the water supply?

Cape Coral homeowners dealing with dried-up wells - WINK News

We don’t have a water problem here. Wells drying up are common especially with shallow wells.

justjim 10-21-2023 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2267141)
Heading to Sam's right now and stocking up on bottled water.

:crap2:

Water won’t go bad but the plastic bottle could, especially if it’s stored in the hot garage. FDA recommends a shelf life of two years. So, probably not a good idea to buy more than you can drink in the next two years. Wait, residents in The Villages are rich (many plumbers, electricians, landscapers, mechanics, etc. believe) so no problem for us Villagers.

Eclas 10-21-2023 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2267149)
Desalination could certainly be one of the answers. Cruise ships make their own fresh water out of seawater and when you consider that a ship might have over 9,000 people on it often for a week or more, all using water probably even more than they use at home, plus swimming pools, hot tubs, water slides, etc. desalination certainly could serve a whole lot of people especially if they use water sparingly.

However I've read articles by environmentalists who are strongly against desalination as a means of obtaining water. Their claim is that the desalination plants discharge their wastewater, the salinity of which is many times saltier than the original water, right back into the ocean and that poses a danger to marine life, so...

The environmentalists are hypocrites or they would live like cavemen just like they tell everybody else to do.

Marine1974 10-21-2023 08:59 AM

Great Lakes
 
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Originally Posted by star20166@yahoo.com (Post 2267120)
Water availability will become the world's number1 priority. I think our solution is a political one. While we have a Governor DeSantis and a super majority in the state chambers and billions in budget surplus I suggest we all email DeSantis and JP Temple to demand desalination plants for agriculture and human consumption. The technology is there for a public/private partnership.


E-Mail Representative John Paul Temple

Email the Governor

Not if you live near the Great Lakes , they represent 20 % of the entire worlds drinking water with no end in sight .

charlieo1126@gmail.com 10-21-2023 09:48 AM

I was living in Punta Gorda in 2004 ,there were quite a few stories about water shortages in Cape Coral back then ,so this is not a new issue .FYI we did get plenty of rain in the area that year as hurricane Charlie came through , you know the one that was supposed to hit Tampa and then took a right turn that weather people said couldn’t happen and wrecked the town . I then moved to southern Arizona where there was a real water shortage even back then

justjim 10-21-2023 09:55 AM

Whose water is it?
 
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Originally Posted by Marine1974 (Post 2267220)
Not if you live near the Great Lakes , they represent 20 % of the entire worlds drinking water with no end in sight .

Whose water is it in the Great Lakes? I hear Arizona and other western states want water piped out west so they can use it to expand more and more. And a Supreme Court just might decide that the water in the Great Lakes belongs to the United States and not just those bordering the Lakes.

ThirdOfFive 10-21-2023 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 2267232)
Whose water is it in the Great Lakes? I hear Arizona and other western states want water piped out west so they can use it to expand more and more. And a Supreme Court just might decide that the water in the Great Lakes belongs to the United States and not just those bordering the Lakes.

The Canada province of Ontario borders four of the five Great Lakes, a couple with the international border running THROUGH the lake. I'm sure they'd have something to say about sending Great Lakes water to other American states.

It is also prohibited by law: actually two laws. "pulling any large amount of water from the Great Lakes is illegal. Water diversions from them are barred by the Great Lakes Compact, an agreement between the eight surrounding states, along with a similar agreement between the United States and Canada." (USA Today)

xcaligirl 10-21-2023 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2266984)
9 years, 4 months, 16 days.

I'll take your answer. Mine was about a month shorter!

daniel200 10-21-2023 01:38 PM

I do not see an issue. It has been already confirmed there will be a Cosco here soon.

Randall55 10-21-2023 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy (Post 2267192)
Bottled water is tap water in a bottle......

Remember pet rocks? Too funny! People will buy anything if you package it.

Stu from NYC 10-21-2023 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by daniel200 (Post 2267303)
I do not see an issue. It has been already confirmed there will be a Cosco here soon.

Cant wait

Wilharm 10-22-2023 06:42 AM

Flood waters should be stored and sent where needed. Presently flood waters are sent to the gulf or the oceans.

Stu from NYC 10-22-2023 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Wilharm (Post 2267387)
Flood waters should be stored and sent where needed. Presently flood waters are sent to the gulf or the oceans.

Think it would be cost prohibitive to send water far away

justjim 10-22-2023 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2267290)
The Canada province of Ontario borders four of the five Great Lakes, a couple with the international border running THROUGH the lake. I'm sure they'd have something to say about sending Great Lakes water to other American states.

It is also prohibited by law: actually two laws. "pulling any large amount of water from the Great Lakes is illegal. Water diversions from them are barred by the Great Lakes Compact, an agreement between the eight surrounding states, along with a similar agreement between the United States and Canada." (USA Today)

What you say may be true, however, that could all change by a Supreme Court Ruling.

ThirdOfFive 10-22-2023 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 2267435)
What you say may be true, however, that could all change by a Supreme Court Ruling.

I'm not sure how that would work. First, the function of the Supreme Court is to rule on constitutional issues. As far as I know it cannot void a law already on the books by any other means than declaring it unconstitutional. First the case would have to be brought before the Court. Second they'd have to decide to hear it (they hear about 150 cases per year out of over 7,000 brought before it). Third, they'd have to declare the law (laws, in this case: the Great Lakes compact between the American states bordering the Great Lakes, as well as the international compact between the U.S. and Canada, both of which prohibit large amounts of water being withdrawn from the lakes) unconstitutional, and I am at a loss to understand exactly on what basis they'd do that.

Fourth, the U.S. Supreme Court has no authority over Canada or individual Canadian provinces, so if Canada opposed it (and I'd bet the farm that they would) we'd be acting in contravention of an international agreement between us and them, which could very well cause a VERY tense atmosphere. There've been armed conflicts between the U.S. and Canada before, and despite our ordinarily pretty good (though not always) relationship with our neighbor to the north, there is no guarantee that such conflict could not happen again.

I know there are lawyer types who post here. Comments from any of them about how, or even if, the SCOTUS could be involved in this?

Wilharm 10-22-2023 11:42 AM

Would the billions we give to foreign countries help?


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