House is being rented, and our VillagesIDs are forfeited
 

OK, following the rules, all is fine.

We are visiting local friends from MA who also bought in TV, so evidently, we have to register as guests. . . is that correct?

just making sure that we are interpreting the rules correctly?

sportsguy

... I misread the initial question, call a rec center and ask them.

Are they renting out their house or you? If so you or them probably gave up you iDs for renters? So in that case yes you would be guest If that’s legal? Which sure it is with all the clauses in rules?

Logically, this makes sense. Since you gave up your IDs for those who are renting your home, you would need Guest IDs to use the amenities.

Two potential problems:
1. An individual with a local address cannot get a guest ID. If your only address is your Villages address then that would be an issue.

2. The ID system knows your name and birthdate for your regular IDs. It *could* flag an attempt to obtain a guest ID for someone who has already been issued a regular ID.

Easy enough to call the Rec Center or Customer Service to ask the question.

So you are a resident of TV and you are visiting another resident of TV and you want to know if you need a guest pass? Really?

Using OSINT on TV, you might come to that conclusion. We are slumlords of TV, having bought in 2019, closed in 2020, with the house being rented in an LLC, not AIRBnB, with IDs forfeited as per TV requirements, so we are not residents of TV technically, hopefully in a little more than a year. We live in MA, and friends of ours also in MA, who told us about TV, have bought in TV, and we, the slumlords, are visiting the friends in TV who are not renting their house out, and are snowbirds currently.

Got it? basically trying to comply with the TV surveillance protocols.

Then check with ID services......not rely on TOTV opinions!

And the answer is :
Guest pass USING YOUR OUT OF STATE ADDRESS with your OUT OF STATE DRIVERS LICENSE

called the rec center and took about 3 minutes to find a person with the correct answer

aye, aye sir!

Apparently, you would be surprised at how many ToTV posters have real-world experience rather than just opinions.

Yes, I really would.............

You are responding to the poster who doesn’t care if NON Villagers use our amenities. He/she does not want to have to show “zee papers”.

Good advice. Since the OP also has a legal residence up north, that address can be used to get guest ID’s. That being said, point number two above could still be an issue. The other bummer is that even though you are a resident, using a guest ID will not get you resident benefits such as free executive golf (trail fees aside), resident Championship golf rates, or use of the sports pools. But I guess that’s the cost of surrendering your resident ID’s so your tenants (I won’t call you a slumlord if you have responsible, over 55, long term tenants) can get resident ID’s.

Called customer service and got the answer as yes, use your out of state license,
then got a call back from the same rec center to call the district management office
then called them explained the scenario and they said yes the first time,
and then final answer is flat out

NO!

Another phone call to see if we can use the championship golf courses as an out of state resident, and the answer is YES! , but we pay full price.

So I guess we golf championship only unless we purchase fake driver's licenses, or I use my parents ID with inserted pictures. . though the picture to age upper 90's might be a problem. .

I think if the tv show "Person of Interest" is to air again, they should use TV as the setting where seniors are the people threatened. . . their surveillance system is top notch!

Just curious, why rent home in an LLC? Is that a vehicle that limits your personal liability, especially if you include a golf cart with the rental? If you stop renting the home, is it easy to dissolve the LLC and convert ownership to yourself and Coach K?

Yes, its about limiting liability for very little cost with the golf cart included, different cost structures for insurance and greater tax benefits. We will pay zero income taxes on all the income with the tax loss carry forwards when we dissolve the LLC.

retired finance guy

Interesting, so no guest ID’s available for residents who surrendered their ID’s to tenants. Learn something every day. So no family, neighborhood, or sports pools (within the rules), pickle ball, and executive golf are out. Can still play championship golf at non resident rates, but at those prices it’s probably worth venturing outside the bubble. I agree the surveillance system is top notch when it comes to golf, but iD checking for other amenities is spotty at best. Enjoy your time at the Villages. I would rather be there right now with no ID than being stuck up north in these below freezing temperatures.

I don't know... seems like "yes" has it by a score of two to one.

At this point I would just have your hosts submit the application using your out-of-state address and see what happens. Their surveillance system might have cracks that you can slip through.

PLUS, you really are not gaming the system at all. You are not an in-area, non-relative individual trying to gain access to the Villages amenities. You are an out-of-area guest of a current resident. You are not requesting anything more than my relatives from NY or friends from MD are requesting when they come to visit.

Nah, not going to push my luck.. . . I don't want to screw up any guest ids, or make extra work for the property managers although we did try making tee times, and our id numbers are assigned to the renters names, so we can see that the system keeps the same ID numbers, but gives them different names. . .

BTW, just got a call from the UK, that wasn't you was it?

I have gotten one other phishing call from the UK long time ago, so I didn't answer it

No, I'm local (and I don't know your number). I use the Private Message function of these boards to contact someone directly.

If I have this correct:
1. you are currently renting out your home, and
2. During this period that your home is being rented out, you are returning to the Villages.
If that is true then yes...you are a guest.

I agree with the others who say at this point in time you are a guest of your friends. I suspect if your friends submit the Guest ID application using their Resident ID & then your MA credentials for you & your wife, you will be correctly assigned Guest IDs. I also suspect the confusion at the Villages offices has arisen because you were making the calls & explaining that you are currently a non-resident homeowner. Which is probably irrelevant, but the irrevelancy managed to confuse the offices.

In a simple world, I think you're correct, he's a "Guest". That said, it's in the best interest of the community if "Owner's" are NOT allowed "Guest Passes" under most circumstances. It's an issue of double-dipping.

If they were readily allowed, every Landlord in TV would have one of their friends arrange Guest Passes for them, anytime they want to use the amenities. You could rent your house out and yet still use the amenities. Have your cake and eat it too.

I suspect the Guest ID system cross-references names when issuing Guest ID's. If a home is owned by a Trust or LCC (as mine is), there are a limited number of Resident ID's assigned to that address. If one of those names pops up as applying for a Guest ID, I'm sure it's flagged by the computer system.

No Guest Pass
 

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And no, I am not going to cause any system confusion by trying after talking to the district management office, which manages the recreation centers, as the answer is still NOT ALLOWED!

If you are renting your home, then yes you have forfeited your ID. However you can get guest passes if you are a guest

Thank you. I love being right.

Now please go over to the thread on CDD Bonds. You're a former finance guy. Please explain to the masses, that CDD Bonds are nothing more than mortgages, with a different name and they only relate to land and not homes.

(Once you explain that, then you can move on to how Bond prices fall, when Interest rates rise.):a20:

Per district management, not allowed, and the office people disagree with the ruling.
It may have worked in the past, I don't know about the history of it, or whatever, but it got elevated to district management overseeing the rec centers etc. . .

Is this a experiential answer or a logic answer?

They are a form of debt on the property but they are NOT mortgages.

Furthermore mortgage interest is an itemizable tax deduction (to some). Bond interest is not.

You don’t have to register. Your hosts have to register for you.

From what I understand if you are renting out your home they get passes. You can still get passes but they are not the usual green. You can still get a pass though.

Not all mortgage interest is deductible, not all bond interest, is non-deductible.

They are essentially a mortgage with another name. Money borrowed and secured against property.

Yes

Have you noticed when you tell someone three things sometimes they only hear one or two? Perhaps this happened in your situation.

1.You told them you are renting your home in the Villages and forfeited your IDs

2. You told them you are coming to visit from out of town

3. You told them you are staying with friends at another address. You want to know if they could guest passes for you

Maybe, they did not comprehend you will be a guest at a different address. It's worth a try to have your friends request guest passes. The worst that can happen is they say no. Your friends can state they were confused on the matter. No harm, no foul! This way, you can be certain the answer you received was correct.

At this moment that I’m reading your comment we are 38 degrees here in The Villages. Brrr!

The answer to your question (minus the snark) is yes, you will need guest IDs. We did the same thing prior to moving permanently. You forfeited your IDs so your renters could have them so you will now be a guest. No problem obtaining them though.

Your friends just need to get you a guest pass. We just did that for a friend whose home is rented sept - April. No issue at all. Done all the time for landlords whose passes were transferred to renters. However, you will be a guest and will pay guest green fees to play golf. And need to keep your guest pass with your picture ID with you.

Try this method for your Guest Passes…
 

Not sure why you’re messing with or concerned about DLs, photos, etc. IF the friends you’re visiting own and have their own Villager ID, they simply have to go online, enter your name, DOB, address, and check a box if you’ve visited TV before, then enter dates if your visit (max 30) and choose where to pick up the passes in a day or so. They go, show THEIR Villages ID, and pick up your passes! Easy!!!

Everyone who has friends/family likely does it this way. Just use your address in Mass. and all should go well!! 👍