Electic Vehicles poor performance in the cold weather
 

Electric vehicles are losing their charge in the cold weather. They also have diminished performance in hot weather. Watching the news, these EVs look abysmal for cold weather climates.

I've seen the recent articles and they sound bad. But I noticed there seems to be only two articles that get reprinted over and over. Lazy reporting or not as much of a story as the press is making it out to be?

The three top users of EVs in Europe are Norway, Iceland, and Sweden - not particularly temperate climates. Maybe we, either individual owners or the country as a whole, are doing it wrong.

Not only losing their charge but not able to be charged because even the esteemed Tesla charging network couldn't get power.

Perhaps they need an ad like ASPA showing all the freezing animals that need only $19/month to save more freezing animals. Those poor freezing Teslas crowded around their defunct charging stations.

Looks like we need more global warming so the animals can live and EVs can survive.

Personally, I'm not planning on buying a solar powered snowcat
anytime soon.

Three kids all have one EV

one in St Paul, heated garage, because it’s ST Paul, EV no issues winter or summer, second car is a Benz.

One in MI heated garage, EV lives among the 4 Rovers, no issues winter or summer

One in Louisville, EV and a Beemer, share AC garage No issues using Ev winter or summer, but AC could extend batteries.

All drive less than 10 miles to work, but may return multiple times in 24 hour. EV traded in before batteries need replacement. But they are diehard EV users, and will replace with same.

Good news! Thanx!

Not interested in supporting the slave labor Cobalt mining industry in the Congo to reduce carbon dioxide which is 0.04% of the earth’s atmosphere.

Soruce: Department of Energy
Carbon Dioxide 101 | netl.doe.gov

During cold weather the cars heater chews up the battery charge rapidly. Not a problem for those leaving their garage fully charged for a short commute, but major issues otherwise. Remembering all the EV’s that got stranded on I 95 between Fredericksburg and Richmond three winters ago when snow/ice shut down the highway overnight and keeping warm depleted the batteries.

Is there a source for that? The first four articles I found talked about the rumor about stranded EVs with depleted batteries but the reality that it had not happened. I still have not found an article that confirms the rumor.

Really, couldn’t find an article?

Tesla Drivers in Chicago Confront a Harsh Foe: Cold Weather - The New York Times

Why Teslas and other electric vehicles have problems in cold weather — and how EV owners can prevent issues - CBS News

Why EVs don’t go as far in the freezing cold | CNN Business

Your browser is not supported | usatoday.com

yawn

Which of those mention the EVs stranded on I95 after the Jan 2022 storm?

Why the need for ancient history data challenge? You certainly know that it happens just by reading the current news.

ie https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news...ns/ar-AA1n5nRs

It does happen and owners just have to be alert. Otherwise, you get to experience problems like those in Chicago.

Just like internal combustion engines, all have some limitations that users must consider. Fuel supply, availability, reliability. That goes for ICE or EV autos. The availability issue is more acute for EVs at this time due to limited availability sources. The problem is enhanced for EVs in frigid weather or power outages. You just have to allow for it, and consider alternatives.

My permanent home is located squarely in the Lake Erie snowbelt. Our neighbor has two Teslas and never has a problem with cold weather AND both his EV's are parked & charged outside in their driveway, unprotected from the cold & snow right in the open. All you people who for whatever reason hate EV's & especially Tesla need to find something that is actually important to comment on. No one is being forced to buy an EV. You are still free to buy a gas or diesel powered vehicle.

My source is my very reliable and trustworthy neighbor who was stuck in the middle of the whole fiasco and witnessed it first hand. That’s more than good enough for me, and way better than trusting the national media’s biased reporting (or lack there of).

If they wrote a new article every time a new model of gas powered vehicle had bad issues, the newspaper would run out of room. Hilarious/sad that some people are so obsessed about cheering for EV to fail. I don't care either way but get tired of the same people trying to make a point based on a small sample size. There's 2.5 million active EV's in the US and this story is about a handful of them in a specific place. Seems more likely the charging stations need to be recalibrated than anything else.

No, it’s bad.

Just a moment...

It was on national news also.

Go ahead drive take trip way up north. Try find charging stations in sub zero temps. By time you get charge and heat car up you’re not going very far before be looking for charger.

Just add wind generator. Give you extra 100 watts.

Cause they are setting in heated garage.

Good news setting in garage. :oops:

Mine has 5 MBs and 5 EVs and Lear jet. All on there 5000 acres. And have summer home with yacht. But, that’s nothing compared to…..:icon_wink:

What computer a commodore 128? :22yikes:

I have no problem with EVs. I'm considering getting one in golf cart form. They have advantages here: quiet, full "tank" every morning (assuming you remembered to plug it in), no annual tune-ups just to name three. But if I do it, I will do it because it makes sense FOR ME. I don't lie to myself about the huge favor I'm doing the environment by getting an electric golf cart. Whether I am or not is incidental to me.

But EVs, like everything else in this huge country of ours, is NOT one size fits all. Sure, a EV golf cart makes sense here. You're rarely more than 1 hour from home (unless you enjoy cruising from one end of TV to the other) and a stall or breakdown severe weather might mean an uncomfortable and sweaty hour or so wait for Cart Aid to show up. But this country is vast. A breakdown in TV in January is nothing like a January breakdown or running out of power in or around, say, Minot, ND: my son texted me from there about a week ago and they were experiencing 55 below zero windchill. You run out of power down here and you're frustrated, angry and impatient because help is taking its time in arriving. You run out of power up there, especially on the vast empty swaths of country so common up there and if you're not knowledgeable about how to handle severe cold; and unless someone shows up right quick, you're dead. If anyone reading this has experienced a 55 below windchill you know exactly what I mean. Also those mileage estimates are usually best-case. Severe cold can cause a significant (often drastic) decrease in mileage, but so can things like driving in mountains, air conditioning, excessive heater use, even speed: most folks probably don't think of that but driving at excessive speeds means that the electric motor in your EV is running less efficiently, thus cutting down on range.

Again, EVs make sense. For some people. In some situations. But they are NOT a panacea, nor are they anything even close to one size fits all.

Agree. I really don't get this obsession with dissing EV's. It's like these people feel sooo threatened. Maybe it's because it represents change, something different than what they grew up with and they hate change of any kind? Or is it because the gasoline industry pays for PR to stigmatize alternate energy sources and people choose to believe these pundits - unreliable sources that basically spew garbage? Or is it because some people somehow equate EV's with climate change, and again, disregarding science, they are climate change deniers? Whatever the reason, these people are haters and have an agenda. Good luck with that, EV's are here to stay, which shouldn't be a problem. You can still have your gasoline powered car, there is no reason the two can't co-exist. Enough already.

No more new gas small engine sales in California 2024, no more new gas cars in California, and New York 2035. So you can see there is mandates that are eliminating our choices and making it harder for people to co-exist.

The two claims were the large number of recent reports of EV problems in Chicago and "Remembering all the EV’s that got stranded on I 95 between Fredericksburg and Richmond three winters ago when snow/ice shut down the highway overnight and keeping warm depleted the batteries. "

- I noted that while there were a large number of reports, including the link you provided, they all appear to be based on two unique reports. Rather than going out and finding the problem for themselves, most (all?) of the stories today are just regurgitating those two reports. So, as I asked in post #2: Lazy reporting or not as much of a story as the press is making it out to be?

- As for "all the EV's that got stranded," I still cannot find one article to support that assertion. There likely were EV's stuck in the traffic jam, right next to the ICE vehicles. There may have been EV's that ran out of charge, right next to the ICE vehicles that ran out of gas. There may have been abandoned EV's that needed to be towed, just as there were ICE vehicles that needed to be towed. But what I cannot find is any confirmation of "all the EV's that got stranded" due to "depleted batteries."

Do EVs get less mileage out of a charge in the cold weather? Yes. Do ICE vehicles run as well in the cold weather as they do in the warm weather? No, their gas mileage goes down too. Are EVs more impacted than ICE vehicles? Possibly, but I haven't seen any data to show one way or another.

Are there stories of EVs having problems getting a spot to charge in Chicago in the cold weather this month? Absolutely. Is it better to have an ICE vehicle in Chicago this month? It sort of looks that way based on only those two articles. But does anyone remember trying to get gas during the early part of COVID, during the pipeline issue in spring 2021, or during the last two hurricanes forecast for Florida? During those times it would have been much better to have an EV.

You realize people own cars to drive them. All three drive in the same conditions, work 12-24 hour shifts, and none have changing stations. As stated they also can make multiple trips within a few hours, almost always in the crap zero and below weather. Cars live outside of cozy garage much more than in. Soooooooooooo

Sometimes you realize you have zero knowledge or any input so a four letter word is the best you can use. Great info. Maybe next time you can find a 4 letter word and add a 3 letter to make post more interesting

You will still be able to drive gasoline cars in California and NY. The law is that all NEW vehicle sales will be zero emission vehicles.

EV haters??? Is that anything like calling someone a "racist" because they don't agree with you?
EVs predate the 1900's and have yet to compete with ICE vehicles. I say, yet. Great concept, but so far they are not quite ready for competition with ICE vehicles. Great novelty, though.
So far, almost everyone posting FOR EVs on here, has made excuses for the negatives still attached to the EVs. I think that the most significant negative related to owning an EV is fueling it. Compare that with fueling ICE vehicles. If you run out of fuel on the road with an ICE vehicle, a can of gas will likely get you to a gas station which will take five minutes to fill it up. An EV runs out of charge on the road, what do they do? When they do get to a charging station, how long must you sit in freezing or sweltering heat while it charges? If someone is at the charging station before you, how long does that delay your journey? How much does an EV cost vs. an ICE vehicle? How much does it cost to change out depleted batteries vs. the cost of changing out a worn out ICE motor?
EVs are fine for short commuting, and that is why small countries can brag about how great they are. Small countries also have a better mass transit system than the U.S. We are a large country and we have to think on a larger scale than most European countries. EV's have been around since the 1800's and still have a way to go before actually a viable option to replace the ICE.
But EV's are a really neat novelty. It's nice that the wealthy can afford the luxury. Proponents of the EV keep repeating the mantra that "no one is forcing you to purchase an EV." Maybe not now, but some states (as well as some folks in D.C.) are attempting to cut out production of ICE vehicles. Kind of like saying "no one is going to take away your guns" all while restrictions are put on gun ammo and banning lead projectiles in ammo. Before pushing ICE out and bringing EV's to prime time, someone needs to consider EV compatible infrastructure. Kind of like laying RR tracks down before selling tickets to travel by train.
Not an EV hater, just being pragmatic.

Probably, at this point, because EV's cause more problems than they solve. People, with all different dynamics and situations in their lives, need a fully vetted EV plan to fully embrace the EV philosophy. No one has time or money for more missteps in this country.

Norway was lauded in an earlier post with it's number of EV's but that is not what it seems, apparently. Do an online search on why Norway, poster child for EV's is having second thoughts about EV's. It's not as simple as everyone running out and buying an EV.

I believe that in the long run it will be determined that EV's and what they require did far more harm to the environment than the combustion engine.

Fusion energy may be the answer with 2050 as the goal for automobile use. Seems like a long time away but 25 years pass quickly, ask any old person.:shocked:

Sure it better if only have go 10 or 15 miles with heater on and you don’t get hung up in traffic.

Guess what wind farm wind turbines do in sub zero weather? They don’t turn.

EVs are still in model T phase hasn’t improved since 1900 just made more fancy. Now in 50 years they may have something? But, hydrogen will probably be the next break through and make ICE and EVs obsolete.

I wonder why people are moving out of Cala?

But many drive more than 10 or 15 miles and have the heater on and handle the traffic quite well. Two articles out of Chicago are worth paying attention to but there would be many more articles if the situation was truly that bad.

Below are three articles saying there was no problem with the wind turbines in TX this year and another saying that lack of winterization (poor planning) was the problem in 2021. Guess what wind farm wind turbines sub zero weather: They produce electricity.
How Texas Kept the Lights On in the Recent Deep Freeze - The New York Times
How the Texas grid held strong amid freeze and fears of blackout
https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/to...ze/ar-AA1n7e4n
Why Did Wind Turbines Freeze in Texas When They Work in the Arctic?

Good news for EV lovers. Bargains available from Hertz.

Hertz is selling 20,000 used EVs due to high repair costs | Ars Technica

Here is an article on the January 2022 I95 storm issue.

Tesla Model 3 Owner Thankful For His EV When Stuck On I-95

Here is the authors blog of the same incident.

“I'''m Grateful That I Was Driving My EV When I Got Stuck On I-95” - ZETA

During the recent "deep freeze" I heard about a probable Chicago Area survey statistic: "95% of electric cars are still on the road. The remaining 5% made it home." :popcorn:

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