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Normal 01-27-2024 10:56 AM

Florida Banning Social Media for Kids
 
The Florida House has passed a law through bipartisan support prohibiting kids under the age of 16 from using social media. We are the first state which has taken an action long overdue. What sites should be banned though and how can it be enforced?

Florida House passes bill banning children under 16 from social media: 'Kids can't stay off the platforms'

It’s about time!

Keefelane66 01-27-2024 11:00 AM

Where there is a will there is a way. We don’t need legislation if parents would do their job.

ThirdOfFive 01-27-2024 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2295466)
The Florida House has passed a law prohibiting kids under the age of 16 from using social media. We are the first state which has taken an action long overdue. What sites should be banned though and how can it be enforced?

Florida House passes bill banning children under 16 from social media: 'Kids can't stay off the platforms'

It’s about time!

Sounds laudable in principle but how would something like that be enforced?

Normal 01-27-2024 11:07 AM

Some Don’t
 
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Originally Posted by Keefelane66 (Post 2295470)
Where there is a will there is a way. We don’t need legislation if parents would do their job.

Some don’t, then the poison spreads like wildfire between peers. If you suggest all do their jobs, then it would be effective.

Cyber bullying, Tiktok dares as well as most rebellious behavior suggestions could be reduced.

Bill14564 01-27-2024 11:09 AM

Not the first state to try something like this.

Not a law yet.

Not a good idea.

Boffin 01-27-2024 11:26 AM

No Problem
 
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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2295466)
The Florida House has passed a law prohibiting kids under the age of 16 from using social media. We are the first state which has taken an action long overdue. What sites should be banned though and how can it be enforced?

Florida House passes bill banning children under 16 from social media: 'Kids can't stay off the platforms'

It’s about time!

The children are smarter and more skilled in technology than the parents; they will find and use a work around. That work around may be worse for them than the current situation. Enforcement will be nonexistent.

retiredguy123 01-27-2024 12:06 PM

Florida seems to pass a lot of laws that are impossible to enforce. For example, you need a permit to solicit door-to-door. But, there is no fine, so I guess the only enforcement would be for a police officer to arrest you.

Blueblaze 01-27-2024 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2295472)
Sounds laudable in principle but how would something like that be enforced?

Well, it won't be in Florida, but it's certainly enforceable. China does it all the time. Heck, I was in Belgium last December and half the sites I visit every day were blocked. Talk of the Villages was blocked, for crying out loud!

The internet is easily filtered, but I doubt that the legislature will do any more to enforce this law than they did when American Integrity dropped the insurance on my 14-year-old roof (the year they passed a law that said they couldn't), or get "Bogus Money, and More" off my TV (after they passed Tort Reform).

Sparty6971 01-27-2024 01:50 PM

Not something I can agree with. It would be impossible to enforce fairly, should be the choice of parents/guardians, etc., we don't need "mommy and daddy" government committee deciding which web site is okay or not okay. On last night's news, our governor wisely said he understands the desire of some to do such a thing, but he went on to say he couldn't see how it could be don't fairly or correctly any better than parents should/could do. I put this idea in a knee-jerk idea category of a solution in search of a real problem.

Taltarzac725 01-27-2024 02:00 PM

Looks like something the kids will get around quickly.

coralway 01-27-2024 04:59 PM

Another election year nutty idea. There are also certain states considering banning and removing books that tell about a certain part of our country’s history that they don’t like. And they would ban books by authors they don’t like.

Aces4 01-27-2024 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sparty6971 (Post 2295550)
Not something I can agree with. It would be impossible to enforce fairly, should be the choice of parents/guardians, etc., we don't need "mommy and daddy" government committee deciding which web site is okay or not okay. On last night's news, our governor wisely said he understands the desire of some to do such a thing, but he went on to say he couldn't see how it could be don't fairly or correctly any better than parents should/could do. I put this idea in a knee-jerk idea category of a solution in search of a real problem.

I’m all for waiting until age 16. Are you aware of the bullying and traumatic effect social media has had for many children? Suicides have occurred due to this bullying.

Allowing kids to be children is important and removing this huge obstacle would be applauded.

Aces4 01-27-2024 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by coralway (Post 2295607)
Another election year nutty idea. There are also certain states considering banning and removing books that tell about a certain part of our country’s history that they don’t like. And they would ban books by authors they don’t like.

That’s not true, the removal would be based on graphic content. Removing books from everywhere or libraries for children, which is it?

OrangeBlossomBaby 01-27-2024 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2295617)
That’s not true, the removal would be based on graphic content. Removing books from everywhere or libraries for children, which is it?

You're right of course. The Bible should be removed from all school libraries. It's filled with filth, degradation, inhumanity, torture, graphic violence, explicit sexual situations.

Check out Ezekiel 20:23 if you don't believe me. It's pretty insane that children are ENCOURAGED to read this stuff.

shaw8700@outlook.com 01-27-2024 09:25 PM

This law should not and will not be passed.

Now I’m not saying that young kids should use social media, in fact with all the bullying going on I wouldn’t let my kids. But this is another step to taking our freedoms away.

Aces4 01-27-2024 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2295670)
You're right of course. The Bible should be removed from all school libraries. It's filled with filth, degradation, inhumanity, torture, graphic violence, explicit sexual situations.

Check out Ezekiel 20:23 if you don't believe me. It's pretty insane that children are ENCOURAGED to read this stuff.

Lol, I was never assigned that for homework and I don’t remember any kids checking out the Bible.

Would someone explain to me why it’s wrong to wait until a child reaches adulthood and reads these books. Is reading the books at a young age better for indoctrination?

I am a voracious reader but most of the reading has been through adulthood. Again, why the push to target children?

Aces4 01-27-2024 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by shaw8700@outlook.com (Post 2295673)
This law should not and will not be passed.

Now I’m not saying that young kids should use social media, in fact with all the bullying going on I wouldn’t let my kids. But this is another step to taking our freedoms away.

Freedom? Why not let kids carry arms to target one another? That’s what bullying is and does to the targets. There is a loss of self esteem and happiness in those children.

If it’s allowed, you can’t keep your children from it even if they personally aren’t using social media. They just need to be attacked from that media.

Boffin 01-27-2024 09:59 PM

Survival of the fittest.

Pairadocs 01-27-2024 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2295466)
The Florida House has passed a law prohibiting kids under the age of 16 from using social media. We are the first state which has taken an action long overdue. What sites should be banned though and how can it be enforced?

Florida House passes bill banning children under 16 from social media: 'Kids can't stay off the platforms'

It’s about time!

One can't stop "progress" of course, and there are many valuable aspects of social media sites such as this one, and so many many others. But, IMHO, our entire culture has also suffered many negatives since the development of such sights. Everything has a price, and even we, adults in general, also pay a high price for all the joys social media sites can bring us. I personally welcome any attempt to at least slow down the dark crimes perpetrated on our children and teens, but I also think "the horse is out of the barn" and going to be VERY hard to capture and corral again !

Buckeyephan 01-27-2024 10:25 PM

My daughter says it is terribly frustrating to be the parent of a teen. Just when parents discover and block sites, kids find a work-around. She says it is like playing whack-a-mole. When parents take away their child’s phone, a friend provides a burner phone. She tells horror stories about challenges on TikTok. So glad the internet wasn’t around when my kids were teens. All I had to do was unplug her phone and hide it.

kkingston57 01-27-2024 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2295466)
The Florida House has passed a law prohibiting kids under the age of 16 from using social media. We are the first state which has taken an action long overdue. What sites should be banned though and how can it be enforced?

Florida House passes bill banning children under 16 from social media: 'Kids can't stay off the platforms'

It’s about time!

Another stupid law.

On paper sounds good. In meantime, most of these < 16 year olds know more about computer than their parents and most of them are 2-3 clicks away from hard core porn. Enforce it? Police Squad will be replaced by Internet Police. Leslie Neilson would have a field day.

In meantime Sumter County deputies are ticketing golf cart drivers for speeding.

When are they going to start arresting men from using the womans bathroom on a golf course and vice versa. Yes, our legislature recently said that a person needs to use the restroom per WHAT they were at birth and that is against the law. If a male is playing golf with 3 other guys and 4 of us need to go, guess where 1-2 of them are going. This could happen to the ladies also.

Our legislature is clue less.

Blackbird45 01-28-2024 04:33 AM

These law makers can't be serious, they can't stop kids younger than 16 from drugs, porn, drinking and sex. The cat is already out of the bag do they really think the can stop someone from going on to social media who's already made it part of their daily life.

stone8735 01-28-2024 05:49 AM

Police state
 
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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2295466)
The Florida House has passed a law prohibiting kids under the age of 16 from using social media. We are the first state which has taken an action long overdue. What sites should be banned though and how can it be enforced?

Florida House passes bill banning children under 16 from social media: 'Kids can't stay off the platforms'

It’s about time!

So you think that it is OK for the state to regulate how parents raise their children?

Normal 01-28-2024 06:06 AM

No
 
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Originally Posted by stone8735 (Post 2295710)
So you think that it is OK for the state to regulate how parents raise their children?

No, I think parenting is different today. I don’t think all parents are good parents. I also don’t think all kids are the same. Most of course don’t even have fully developed brains till their mid 20’s. Are you suggesting all parents are good?

You do realize we still have parents out there that think it’s OK for their kids to use their phones in class? Yes, that rudeness towards others is out their and even encouraged by some. They don’t care about the impact their kids actions have on others or learning.

FredMitchell 01-28-2024 06:44 AM

It seems like nobody here is familiar with the First Amendment to the US Constitution, which the Supreme Court has found applies to all states as well!

sharonl7340 01-28-2024 06:49 AM

Mmmmm....
 
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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2295466)
The Florida House has passed a law through bipartisan support prohibiting kids under the age of 16 from using social media. We are the first state which has taken an action long overdue. What sites should be banned though and how can it be enforced?

Florida House passes bill banning children under 16 from social media: 'Kids can't stay off the platforms'

It’s about time!

I find it interesting that FL always touts that it is a parental rights state, meaning that parents should be making their own decisions about what their children can or can't do rayher than the state. But then it turns around and makes these sweeping laws about things that fall within the parent's sphere of decision making (thinking Healthcare for transgender children or social media). Sounds like FL is having an identity crisis of its own.

How can you even enforce such a law? What are the punishments if it is enforced? Is it really about "protecting" children or getting more money in the coffers from the fines that would be levied?

Maker 01-28-2024 07:24 AM

The worst part is having to prove you are an adult. How will that be done?
Scanning and submitting your driver license? Maybe your SSN? Send in a tax return too?
Do you really want Facebook to have that much information about you? Will they promptly delete that info after validation to prevent it from being misused or stolen (hacked)?

There will be 2 groups of people. Those who cave to this, and those who know how to get around it.

ThirdOfFive 01-28-2024 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2295711)
No, I think parenting is different today. I don’t think all parents are good parents. I also don’t think all kids are the same. Most of course don’t even have fully developed brains till their mid 20’s. Are you suggesting all parents are good?

You do realize we still have parents out there that think it’s OK for their kids to use their phones in class? Yes, that rudeness towards others is out their and even encouraged by some. They don’t care about the impact their kids actions have on others or learning.

I agree that parenting is "different" today, for many reasons; one biggie being that many parents these days are parents by default, and many of them have their own problems relating to substance abuse, serial relationships, etc. In my opinion the primary responsibility of a good parent is and always has been to impart VALUES to their children. Unfortunately, two-married-parent households that teach values not just by words but by example is becoming more and more rare.

Unless a child is provably at-risk (and I suppose an argument could be made for that, in this case), I generally don't favor government stepping in. But in this particular case I think the emphasis is in the wrong place. Rather than banning sites so that KIDS cannot access provably dangerous sites, why not penalize PARENTS when it is proven that their children access such sites? Such a move would take the onus of parenting away from the government and place it squarely back on the parent(s), where it belongs.

Normal 01-28-2024 07:55 AM

Absolutely
 
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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2295749)
I agree that parenting is "different" today, for many reasons; one biggie being that many parents these days are parents by default, and many of them have their own problems relating to substance abuse, serial relationships, etc. In my opinion the primary responsibility of a good parent is and always has been to impart VALUES to their children. Unfortunately, two-married-parent households that teach values not just by words but by example is becoming more and more rare.

Unless a child is provably at-risk (and I suppose an argument could be made for that, in this case), I generally don't favor government stepping in. But in this particular place I think the emphasis is in the wrong place. Rather than banning sites so that KIDS cannot access provably dangerous sites, why not penalize PARENTS when it is proven that their children access such sites? Such a move would take the onus of parenting away from the government and place it squarely back on the parent(s), where it belongs.

For sure! If a kid is being bullied in school on a website, hammer the parents and crack down with fines on the host server. It is a lot like smoking, drinking, or watching rated R movies though. Kids will break the rules. I don’t think Tik Tok or others are necessarily a good influence, but then neither is gaming where you gain points while killing as many as you can. The issue is larger than laws we have or the laws that can fix our problems. I don’t like laws that block free speech, but then a law against yelling “fire” in a crowded movie theater was passed too.

Kids can and should be treated different than adults, they don’t always know better. The internet is basically unfiltered for all. Should it remain unfiltered for the more vulnerable youth, or just let them get crushed?

FredJacobs 01-28-2024 08:33 AM

More government trying to regulate our lives.

Bob.Betty 01-28-2024 08:41 AM

it's about time?
 
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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2295466)
The Florida House has passed a law through bipartisan support prohibiting kids under the age of 16 from using social media. We are the first state which has taken an action long overdue. What sites should be banned though and how can it be enforced?

Florida House passes bill banning children under 16 from social media: 'Kids can't stay off the platforms'

It’s about time!

Who are you (the government) to decide what my child can or can't do on social media?

sallyg 01-28-2024 08:45 AM

Good luck with that.

Topspinmo 01-28-2024 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Keefelane66 (Post 2295470)
Where there is a will there is a way. We don’t need legislation if parents would do their job.

They are doing they jobs but daycare raising their children.

airstreamingypsy 01-28-2024 08:50 AM

Wow, this is the worst case over government overreach yet. I wish Florida would concern itself with insurance costs, overbuilding and crime...... instead of posturing at Disney, banning books and other freedoms that I dare not mention. The free state of Florida gets less free every day.

Topspinmo 01-28-2024 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2295755)
For sure! If a kid is being bullied in school on a website, hammer the parents and crack down with fines on the host server. It is a lot like smoking, drinking, or watching rated R movies though. Kids will break the rules. I don’t think Tik Tok or others are necessarily a good influence, but then neither is gaming where you gain points while killing as many as you can. The issue is larger than laws we have or the laws that can fix our problems. I don’t like laws that block free speech, but then a law against yelling “fire” in a crowded movie theater was passed too.

Kids can and should be treated different than adults, they don’t always know better. The internet is basically unfiltered for all. Should it remain unfiltered for the more vulnerable youth, or just let them get crushed?

Kids now know better, just ask them. O wait it’s always been that way If they don’t get what they want.

Topspinmo 01-28-2024 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy (Post 2295790)
Wow, this is the worst case over government overreach yet. I wish Florida would concern itself with insurance costs, overbuilding and crime...... instead of posturing at Disney, banning books and other freedoms that I dare not mention. The free state of Florida gets less free every day.

Disney not it’s own state like they thought they was.

Cliff Fr 01-28-2024 08:59 AM

It's a nice idea but that cats already out of the bag. A lot of parents gjve the cell phone to kids as a baby sitter. There are "games" available to children on the cell phone, some if which have unsuitable images and languages.

Byte1 01-28-2024 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2295670)
You're right of course. The Bible should be removed from all school libraries. It's filled with filth, degradation, inhumanity, torture, graphic violence, explicit sexual situations.

Check out Ezekiel 20:23 if you don't believe me. It's pretty insane that children are ENCOURAGED to read this stuff.

Some folks enjoy or find the NEED to look/seek the negative. :cryin2:

Taltarzac725 01-28-2024 09:36 AM

Book Bans in Florida Schools: The Complete List | Miami New Times

Here is a list of banned books here in Florida. One county does ban many books related to The Bible as well as that Holy Book.

Byte1 01-28-2024 09:41 AM

Social media with children IS a problem. There is a lot of cyber bullying, juvenile and adult. What's the answer? Perhaps teaching children the difference between right and wrong is a good start. Kind of hard for some adults, especially those that shouldn't have children because they are unfit when it comes to parenting. Kind of hard when judges severely punish small violations of the law and a slap on the wrist for murder and manslaughter. Values are different for individual folks, but individuals should respect other folks views, regardless of belief. You can disagree without being aggressive and even sometimes violent.


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