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Is Dabney too isolated now and long term ?
I will be visiting in 2 weeks and will likely purchase a Patio in either Dabney or Moultrie Creek. I can save about $30k in Dabney when considering bond. Maybe more when considering future costs of building materials if I wait even longer.
For those who purchased in the newer sections (Lake Denham, Dabney); does the drive north get old ? Are you worried that you will feel cut off as new development goes south on the other side of the turnpike ? I've seen some people state they think another cart connection will be built (maybe CR470) in the future. Aside from Lake Denham and Dabney residents, who would that really benefit (so why would they bother building it) ? Is more development going to happen south of Dabney north/east of the turnpike ? |
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If not, you would be doing yourself a favor to make a few visits and spend some time here before you take the plunge. What will you be driving north for? If it's for golf, then you really need to consider some other areas. I'm in Poinciana, a Village that was built about 18 years ago, and is about as central to all of the current championship courses as you can get. I made the drive by golf cart down to Southern Oaks yesterday. That's about 30-35 minutes by golf cart. Lopez, in the opposite direction, is about the same. That's as long as I want to sit in a golf cart before I play golf. And I wouldn't want to have to do that every time I play golf. Most are 15-20 minutes, some are as close as 5 or 10. The concept of TV, when they were building north of 44, and even more so north of 466A is that everything would be within a comfortable cart ride. Executive golf, Championship Golf, squares, rec centers, pools...and not just one, but multiple choices of all of the above. That isn't possible right now, and won't be for a long time, if it ever is, with the way things are developing as TV spreads southward. So if that's what you want, you won't get it. If you want something else, it may work for you. You really need to see it all to make a good decision. |
Dabney is in Lake County, Moultrie is in Sumter County. Lake County has a higher interest rate on the bond and higher taxes.
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I have several friends who have moved to that area of TV. The don't complain about the distance to anything. You mentioned the drive north and wonder if it gets old. I live south of 44. I rarely drive north any further than 466A, and not very often to there. So no, it does not get old.
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I’m in Lake Denham. Highway noise is loud depending on weather. Sawgrass Grove is only 10 minutes by cart. Brownwood will be about 35 minutes by cart from Dabney (30 for me). Eastport is only 20 minutes by cart over the Bexley bridge. If they do a cart path and 470 it will be shorter. There is also land right across 470 from Dabney that is owned by the Villages and will likely be commercial space according to. Wingnut video. I think it was video 133 but he also updated that video and I don’t recall it mentioned in the update.
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Thanks. Yes, I did a lifestyle visit in 2022 near Brownwod and loved everything about it. And golf is part of my reason, but I will embrace many activities. I don't think a 20 minute cart ride will bother me, but 30+ may. On the flip, I routinely drive 40+ minutes to play golf up here.
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Thanks. That is good to hear.
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I'm suggesting that anyone who plans on golf in TV being central to their lifestyle here spend some time figuring out if that's going to work for them. |
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With the current layout, that's what you will often face if you settle down in the newest, most southerly villages. |
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My bigger concern is that new amenities will be built south as the years go by. From Dabney, by cart, that is a 15 minute trek north added to every trip. I can mitigate that by spending more and purchasing in Moultrie Creek or waiting for future villages. But I think every village I wait on will come with an incremental price increase and decrease time here. |
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If you visit, be sure to take a golf cart ride from Dabney and do a few test drives - Eastport, Sawgrass, Brownwood, etc. and find out what you think of it. And then ask yourself if you want to do this every time you play golf or visit a town square or entertainment square (Sawgrass). Doing it once is ok - doing it every time gets old. However, it will take several years for Eastport to be developed. As of now, there is no commercial space open in Eastport. The good news is that they plan on building a lot of courses in Eastport - at least four executive and possibly six. I have a map showing Beautyberry, Bellaire, Honeysuckle, and Laurel Oak and I think I saw another map showing a couple more that are "planned." I think one of the executives may open this year. If I were moving here and had a choice of Dabney and Eastport, if I could afford it, I would move to the Eastport area instead of Dabney. You will be close to a town square and lots of golf and recreation. I can't see Dabney ever being close to anything - except easy access to the Turnpike. There are new homes in Eastport under $300,000. I would think that they would have a much better chance of appreciating in value based on location. Houses bought near Lake Sumter have really gone up in price. This is a map of the Villages. The Villages recently bought some land on the NE side of the Turnpike just south of 470 and Dabney . If they put a golf course and commercial space in this area, it would be great. Unfortunately, they never tell us their plans which makes it difficult to know if you are buying in a good area. The Villages(R) Community Map - Explore & Find Your Way Around |
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The responses have already helped provide some clarity and a couple more things to investigate. Thanks for taking the time to respond. |
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Those estimates are high. We are 5 minutes south to 470 from Lake Denham by cart and 10 minutes to Sawgrass. So 15 minutes tops to Sawgrass by cart and 23 to Eastport (it takes us 17 min to go to Eastport).
I thought I heard 11 golf courses are being build below the Bexley Bridge. I could be wrong but a couple look let me it won’t take long to open. |
Depending on your financial situation, hopefully you are not just squeaking by with your income/cost projections... I would consider my location way ahead of saving a few thousand dollars. Over the ten years you will spend in a home the 30K dollar difference works out to less than the cost of the roof you will need to replace when you sell.
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Lake Permitting
If Lake County permits the altering of 470 with roundabouts, then access to the new country club idea will be realized and development might step up? For sure commercial is ready to go, but the developer has been known to change things up even after other decisions were announced. The Villages owns down to Honeycutt.
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I live in Lake Denham. I previously lived close to Sawgrass Grove. The area was too busy for me. I now live in a much quieter area. There are plenty of stores and restaurants on 27 which is only about a 6 minute drive. I'm only about 30 minutes to the Costco or Target in Clermont. I love the walking trails close to my house. The village I was in before had walking trails, but my house was nowhere close to them. The only thing that I'm missing close by is a Starbucks.
I looked at Moultrie Creek. The proximity to the high school takes it off my list. When the high school was on 466, the traffic was horrendous. |
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I know you want new (we're there same...), but you can't customize the builds today and the selection/quality of materials has shifted to lowest cost/builder grade. Everyone describes design now days as very disappointing. You might want to take a look at pre-owned built these past 3-4 years South off the Turnpike for almost new, higher quality homes as a compromise. Easy access to Brownwood, Sawgrass and Eastport. |
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Look at resales between 466 and 44 before you jump. Might be more convenient for things you do and places you shop
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I would say there's basically zero chance they would add a third bridge over the turnpike. There's little benefit to the developer in doing so, especially for the cost that would be involved. The two current turnpike bridges are reasonably sufficient in providing good connections between different Villages and amenities. |
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Since the OP stated a concern about driving north, I was pointing out that if golf is a main reason for coming to TV, and why he or she would be driving north, it would be wise to know and experience the travel to the courses. |
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Golf is crowded because older folks? Not even going to comment. You obviously do not golf. You were in healthcare and are unaware that people do not die or become extremely ill in chronological order? A sixty something yr old has as much chance of suffering a heart attack or stroke as an eighty something. Some people are predisposed of dying or suffering illness at an early age. Others live into their nineties without many health issues. Unfortunately, you will witness this. Be prepared to say a final goodbye to many you meet here. None of us know WHEN this will happen. Most of the time, It catches us by surprise. |
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As many as 4 times a week bus with lights visited our neighborhood. So yes you get higher percentage of AED calls or AL move, which ends up house for sale. Not that dying or dead affects us like others, both of us were trauma 24/7 it was everyday event. Younger moves in, but it’s never your house, it’s always ( “you live in _______dead person’s house, I miss them)”. We do miss the 3 WW vets, they are fascinating, but also depressing because they were so lonely. South of 44 we are in the upper 20% of age, some in their 40-50s. Big change, in gatherings, men’s and women groups weekly, golf groups 5 days at any time with any course of 100 plus golfers. As for parties with entertainment sometime food trucks or elaborate Bring your own dish, sometimes it’s weekly, bring a chair, drinks, and throw money in bucket for entertainment. No voting it’s a staple for neighbors to enjoy. Posted on site Not sure how long we will stay in this house, but number 5 is always a possibility. We found for US new far outweighs one preowned |
Head north. Need food shopping, dept. stores, home stores, gas stations, hospitals, medical facilities, golf courses, etc.?
Then head north. |
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I don't live in those parts, but from what I can tell, golf is the only "amenity" the OP would need to drive north for. Am I mistaken? |
I don't think this has been mentioned, but if pickleball is your game, and you are looking for "younger" (less than 60-65?) competition, you'll find more of that as you head south. Also, if you are interested in leagues, like the developing DUPR "Vision for Division" league, those venues are primarily at Homestead and Franklin, so far. I suspect that is because the newer facilities aren't teaming with leagues and private groups yet, and that's where the availability is for time slots.
As an "old timer" (70) I played a couple of seasons and we kept getting moved farther south, and the competition keeps getting younger, quicker, and better. I know a few really good players who relocated southward specifically to be closer to the better, younger competition. |
Almost new
We bought a one year old house in Chitty chatty. Couldn’t tell
It wasn’t new and all the rock bed rock front and back was done along with a courtyard villa Having 3 car garage and block fence extending across the entire rear . I would look at almost new homes too . May not work but rock work alone I have heard can be 20k Just give certain newish areas you like a chance before discounting them Maybe . Just a thought ! |
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Lots of driving
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