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quarter man 03-10-2024 03:31 PM
Golf course
 
Had the ever been talk of TV designing, building, charging, and maintaining a tournament level good course? If they can attract a pga tournament, they may bring outsiders and vacationers to play and defer some costs to villagers.

Just a thought.

Bogie Shooter 03-10-2024 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by quarter man (Post 2309579)
Had the ever been talk of TV designing, building, charging, and maintaining a tournament level good course? If they can attract a pga tournament, they may bring outsiders and vacationers to play and defer some costs to villagers.

Just a thought.
Ah yes, outsiders & vacationers…….more short term rentals and amenity users.
Not to mention our infrastructure unable to handle all the additional traffic.

kkingston57 03-10-2024 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by quarter man (Post 2309579)
Had the ever been talk of TV designing, building, charging, and maintaining a tournament level good course? If they can attract a pga tournament, they may bring outsiders and vacationers to play and defer some costs to villagers.

Just a thought.
Would need to maintain an additional 1500 extra lineal feet of golf course that will hardly be used, plus a 300 yard(at least) driving range. We only have 3 ranges to start with. Worse investment than LIV

BrianL99 03-10-2024 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by quarter man (Post 2309579)
Had the ever been talk of TV designing, building, charging, and maintaining a tournament level good course? If they can attract a pga tournament, they may bring outsiders and vacationers to play and defer some costs to villagers.

Just a thought.

Apparently you don't know much about the PGA Tour and how it works (or did work, before LIV ... now they don't even know how it works).

You have a better chance of playing in this year's Masters, than living to the day TV will build a PGA level golf course and host a PGA Tournament.

Tierra del sol has hosted a few LPGA events, including the Samsung World Championship of Women's Golf.

Laker14 03-10-2024 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by quarter man (Post 2309579)
Had the ever been talk of TV designing, building, charging, and maintaining a tournament level good course? If they can attract a pga tournament, they may bring outsiders and vacationers to play and defer some costs to villagers.

Just a thought.
Those that are in charge of such ideas rarely share their thoughts with the public until they have decided upon a course of action and wish to market it.
Whimsical ideas they share over snifters of brandy they keep to themselves.

villagetinker 03-11-2024 10:17 AM
With all of the private houses so close to the courses I doubt it would be practical on any of the existing courses, it may be possible in the newer section with a dedicated course, but then there is all of the other infrastructure to consider, parking for example and all of the other necessities for thousands of people to attend a 1 or 2 time per year event. I cannot imagine the effect of the additional traffic. While an interesting idea I do not think this would be practical in this area.

Gpsma 03-11-2024 01:02 PM
I lived about 5 miles south of Bethpage municipal golf course. As many golfers know bethpage hosted the US Open in the 2000s on their Black course.
Bethpage is a built up area. There would be no way they could handle that amount of traffic.

The organizers were smart. If you attended the open…you didnt go anywhere near the courses. They staged busse at all the surrounding malls. You parked your car and were driven to the event.

There were some people that wanted to drive there. Thankfully the smart people around the golf course figured out they could rent their driveways out for parking. They also set up coolers to sell drinks..lol..good old capialism

graciegirl 03-11-2024 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by quarter man (Post 2309579)
Had the ever been talk of TV designing, building, charging, and maintaining a tournament level good course? If they can attract a pga tournament, they may bring outsiders and vacationers to play and defer some costs to villagers.

Just a thought.
Perish the thought, kind sir.

We have PUH-LENT-Y Vacationers, and outsiders who want to play our courses. We are doin' JUST FINE the way we are. Many of us left behind high costs for Golf.

golfing eagles 03-11-2024 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by villagetinker (Post 2309841)
With all of the private houses so close to the courses I doubt it would be practical on any of the existing courses, it may be possible in the newer section with a dedicated course, but then there is all of the other infrastructure to consider, parking for example and all of the other necessities for thousands of people to attend a 1 or 2 time per year event. I cannot imagine the effect of the additional traffic. While an interesting idea I do not think this would be practical in this area.
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Originally Posted by Gpsma (Post 2309889)
I lived about 5 miles south of Bethpage municipal golf course. As many golfers know bethpage hosted the US Open in the 2000s on their Black course.
Bethpage is a built up area. There would be no way they could handle that amount of traffic.

The organizers were smart. If you attended the open…you didnt go anywhere near the courses. They staged busse at all the surrounding malls. You parked your car and were driven to the event.

There were some people that wanted to drive there. Thankfully the smart people around the golf course figured out they could rent their driveways out for parking. They also set up coolers to sell drinks..lol..good old capialism
I think there are scheduling problems to start with. The players love PGA National and Copperhead at Innisbrook. Nothing is going to usurp the Players at TPC Sawgrass or Arnie's tournament, so there would have to be a 5th Florida tournament added.

As far as infrastructure goes, Bethpage is pretty bad and The Country Club worse. My grandmother lived 2-3 miles south of Bethpage and I grew up about 5 miles west. My nephew lives about 5 miles away as well, but they had to park at Jones Beach and take a bus.

Most golf course architects will talk clients out of building a 7700 PGA tour championship type course due to the extra construction and maintenance expense, coupled with the unlikely chance of attracting a new tournament there (unless Tiger is your emeritus pro)

Shipping up to Boston 03-11-2024 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2309901)
I think there are scheduling problems to start with. The players love PGA National and Copperhead at Innisbrook. Nothing is going to usurp the Players at TPC Sawgrass or Arnie's tournament, so there would have to be a 5th Florida tournament added.

As far as infrastructure goes, Bethpage is pretty bad and The Country Club worse. My grandmother lived 2-3 miles south of Bethpage and I grew up about 5 miles west. My nephew lives about 5 miles away as well, but they had to park at Jones Beach and take a bus.

Most golf course architects will talk clients out of building a 7700 PGA tour championship type course due to the extra construction and maintenance expense, coupled with the unlikely chance of attracting a new tournament there (unless Tiger is your emeritus pro)
Thank you for mentioning The Country Club in Brookline. Hosted The Ryder Cup and the US Open. Granted Boston is a major city that can 'handle' most major events, TCC sits in one of the most exclusive, dense, high end neighborhoods in the country. Robert Kraft and Tom Brady to name a couple are abutters (the latter in a different era). To pull it off they took over an adjacent public course for parking and set up shuttle locations all around greater Boston. It still paralyzed the region. The damages associated with parking on areas not meant for that type of activity and compromised infrastructure in and around TV.... would be untold. Sure the PGA or LIV would do some sort of mitigation nut it would never be returned the way it was given. Leave to those communities that want it and can handle it.

Papa_lecki 03-11-2024 03:36 PM
Why would the USGA or PGA want to come to The Villages, when Orlando, with 1000x the hotel space and established courses is less than an hour away?

BrianL99 03-11-2024 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston (Post 2309914)
Thank you for mentioning The Country Club in Brookline. Hosted The Ryder Cup and the US Open. Granted Boston is a major city that can 'handle' most major events, TCC sits in one of the most exclusive, dense, high end neighborhoods in the country. Robert Kraft and Tom Brady to name a couple are abutters (the latter in a different era). To pull it off they took over an adjacent public course for parking and set up shuttle locations all around greater Boston. It still paralyzed the region. The damages associated with parking on areas not meant for that type of activity and compromised infrastructure in and around TV.... would be untold. Sure the PGA or LIV would do some sort of mitigation nut it would never be returned the way it was given. Leave to those communities that want it and can handle it.
For anyone who would like a brief description of what a major golf tournament requires from a logistical impact perspective, here's your answer: Traffic, Parking, Security Plans For U.S. Open Championship | Brookline, MA (It's a quick read, but fascinating to see what it takes to hold a major golf tournament, in a metro area).

Back in 2015, Arnold Palmer in his book "Guide to the Majors", recommended that they hold a PGA Championship at the club I belonged to and later worked for. Palmer's words were "I'd love to see those guys playing from 8325 yards". There were some discussions, but it was a hard "no" from the members and ownership. We had formerly looked at holding a PGA Championship back in the late 70's, but it means giving up your club for 3 months (we only had 1 course back then) and it didn't go anywhere.

They did hold LIV Boston at the club, but that was on the little course. The big course was/is under renovation by Coore-Crenshaw.

Shipping up to Boston 03-11-2024 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2309963)
For anyone who would like a brief description of what a major golf tournament requires from a logistical impact perspective, here's your answer: Traffic, Parking, Security Plans For U.S. Open Championship | Brookline, MA (It's a quick read, but fascinating to see what it takes to hold a major golf tournament, in a metro area).

Back in 2015, Arnold Palmer in his book "Guide to the Majors", recommended that they hold a PGA Championship at the club I belonged to and later worked for. Palmer's words were "I'd love to see those guys playing from 8325 yards". There were some discussions, but it was a hard "no" from the members and ownership. We had formerly looked at holding a PGA Championship back in the late 70's, but it means giving up your course for 3 months (we only had 1 course back then) and it didn't go anywhere.

They did hold LIV Boston at the club, but that was on the little course. The big course was/is under renovation by Coore-Crenshaw.
Great course....The International

BrianL99 03-11-2024 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston (Post 2309970)
Great course....The International
The new course looks spectacular. I can't wait for the opening. It's a complete re-design. The already did over The Oaks and that came out great, but no match for the LIV guys. They killed it.

Shipping up to Boston 03-11-2024 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2309995)
The new course looks spectacular. I can't wait for the opening. It's a complete re-design. The already did over The Oaks and that came out great, but no match for the LIV guys. They killed it.
Yeah with the exception of The Country Club, its like practice rounds for these guys everywhere else....even TPC Boston (Norton)

BrianL99 03-12-2024 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston (Post 2309999)
Yeah with the exception of The Country Club, its like practice rounds for these guys everywhere else....even TPC Boston (Norton)
I only played TPC Boston once. It was a joke. I shot 75 (not from the Tournament Tees, of course). I haven't played it since Gil Hanse did it over. I've heard it's a much better course. The original wasn't much.

The composite course at TCC is different world. If you take a golf course that was originally designed to play at 5500 yards and stretch it to 7000+, it becomes a bear. I was there for the '88 Open and was so close to Curtis Strange, I could have grabbed his sand wedge on his backswing, on his bunker shot on the 72nd hole. The '22 Open was a different world, but a great event.

gbs317 03-12-2024 04:59 AM
This happened every year in Cromwell CT. I avoided traveling in that area unless necessary. It was a nightmare.
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Rwirish 03-12-2024 05:08 AM
Omg

bowlingal 03-12-2024 06:10 AM
there is probably not enough room here for a PGA tournament. You need the golf course, stands, hotels, parking, restaurants. Not feasible for here in the bubble. Besides, there is a PGA tournament right in Orlando in our backyard. The PGA wouldn't have another tournament so close.

George Page 03-12-2024 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by kkingston57 (Post 2309597)
Would need to maintain an additional 1500 extra lineal feet of golf course that will hardly be used, plus a 300 yard(at least) driving range. We only have 3 ranges to start with. Worse investment than LIV
First, it the courses will need some grass

Velvet 03-12-2024 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by quarter man (Post 2309579)
Had the ever been talk of TV designing, building, charging, and maintaining a tournament level good course? If they can attract a pga tournament, they may bring outsiders and vacationers to play and defer some costs to villagers.

Just a thought.
No. Full stop.

wamley 03-12-2024 11:23 AM
Lots of luck with that one. These golf courses are losing golfers never mind booking a PGA event.

SHIBUMI 03-12-2024 12:41 PM
Tour Events
 
Developers host tour events to promote the selling of housing. Events commit for about 5 years and then move on. I don't believe the Villages has any problem selling housing no matter how much they build.

They used Arnold and Nancy to get the place on the map and its been clean sailing. Really no sense in doing anything at all as the Villages sells itself at this point in time.


Quote:
Originally Posted by quarter man (Post 2309579)
Had the ever been talk of TV designing, building, charging, and maintaining a tournament level good course? If they can attract a pga tournament, they may bring outsiders and vacationers to play and defer some costs to villagers.

Just a thought.

HORNET 03-12-2024 02:42 PM
How would they control the specters? Would people just stop on the street or golf cart path and get a free watch? Villagers would not pay, they would think that it was part of their amenities!

kkingston57 03-12-2024 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 2309934)
Why would the USGA or PGA want to come to The Villages, when Orlando, with 1000x the hotel space and established courses is less than an hour away?
Neither the PGA nor the USGA asked question, but you raised a great question Question was brought up by a writer. No way would this ever happen. Florida already has 4 tournaments even after Doral was taken off the list

golfing eagles 03-13-2024 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by HORNET (Post 2310285)
How would they control the specters? Would people just stop on the street or golf cart path and get a free watch? Villagers would not pay, they would think that it was part of their amenities!
Very, very difficult. They could hire a medium and hold a seance, or possibly a psychic. Maybe ask nicely or employ The Ghostbusters. Much more difficult than controlling SPECTATORS.

Dusty_Star 03-13-2024 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2310435)
Very, very difficult. They could hire a medium and hold a seance, or possibly a psychic. Maybe ask nicely or employ The Ghostbusters. Much more difficult than controlling SPECTATORS.
:1rotfl: You beat me to it. I still had my eyes wide, while contemplating how indeed to control specters. I like your 'ask nicely' idea best, as I think they probably can not be controlled. But the other options would be worth trying. Anything would be worth trying with a specter problem.


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