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Michael G. 05-21-2024 06:17 PM

Paying to Use Florida's Beaches
 
Not going to the beach much here in Florida, except to entertain visitors.

I'm not surprised by parking fees which I get considering the value of beach front property.

But why a charge to use a public beach in Florida?
Aren't beaches public land?
Is the charge used to clean-up after the public pigs?
Do condo associations and Retail businesses pay for the cleanup?

Just surprised I guess

bmcgowan13 05-21-2024 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2333453)
But why a charge to use a public beach in Florida?
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Wait.What? They charge for beach access?

Florida Statue guarantees you access :(1) “Access” or “public access” as used in ss. 161.041, 161.052, and 161.053 means the public’s right to laterally traverse the sandy beaches of this state where such access exists on or after July 1, 1987, or where the public has established an accessway through private lands to lands seaward of the mean high tide or water line by prescription, prescriptive easement, or any other legal means, development or construction shall not interfere with such right of public access unless a comparable alternative accessway is provided.

Is it a State or County Park that is charging you? At Daytona and New Smyrna we have never been charged to walk onto the beach--only fees to park our car away from the beach. I understand having to pay to park on private property near the beach (market rate) and modest fees for state or county parks to pay for lifeguards, beach grooming and trash control.

Are they charging access for you to walk onto a public beach?

The country/state parks I have been to charge less than $4 entry.

What beach is charging you--I'll put in on my no-go list. Too many others do not charge.

shaw8700@outlook.com 05-21-2024 08:08 PM

The fees probably go to Police/Fire/EMS to patrol the beaches.

bmcgowan13 05-21-2024 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by shaw8700@outlook.com (Post 2333487)
The fees probably go to Police/Fire/EMS to patrol the beaches.

Most likely but who is charging this fee? If the beaches (by state law) are open to the public how are they collecting my money?

I am all in with you and I am totally okay with or paying a modest fee for beach cleaning and grooming and Safety Patrol. I am glad they are there to clean the beach and make sure my grandkids are safe.

The original post sounds like just an "entry fee"--and that sounds illegal.

MSchad 05-21-2024 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2333453)
Not going to the beach much here in Florida, except to entertain visitors.

I'm not surprised by parking fees which I get considering the value of beach front property.

But why a charge to use a public beach in Florida?
Aren't beaches public land?
Is the charge used to clean-up after the public pigs?
Do condo associations and Retail businesses pay for the cleanup?

Just surprised I guess

Personally have never been charged to go on a public beach. Have paid to park in some places. Have paid to drive on and park on a beach. But never to walk onto and use a public beach.

Shipping up to Boston 05-21-2024 08:59 PM

Don’t even know how you can coordinate a walk in entrance admission fee. The amount of employees needed to facilitate.....in the midst of lifeguard shortages across the country. If true....a massive .....additional layer of bureaucracy. Can OP supply addtl info or link?

Altavia 05-21-2024 09:07 PM

One beach charge I'm aware of is Volusia County for taking your vehicle on the beach. You can walk on for free.

dhdallas 05-21-2024 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2333453)
Not going to the beach much here in Florida, except to entertain visitors.

I'm not surprised by parking fees which I get considering the value of beach front property.

But why a charge to use a public beach in Florida?
Aren't beaches public land?
Is the charge used to clean-up after the public pigs?
Do condo associations and Retail businesses pay for the cleanup?

Just surprised I guess

Fort Island Gulf Beach has free access to the beach & free parking. Amenities include a concession stand, restrooms, and covered picnic tables. Anyway, I don't have a problem paying an entrance or parking fee at some state parks, beaches, etc. Somebody has to maintain these beaches & parks. The money has to come from somewhere & without these reasonable fees , the entire cost would fall to the taxpayers.

spinner1001 05-23-2024 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2333453)
Not going to the beach much here in Florida, except to entertain visitors.

I'm not surprised by parking fees which I get considering the value of beach front property.

But why a charge to use a public beach in Florida?
Aren't beaches public land?
Is the charge used to clean-up after the public pigs?
Do condo associations and Retail businesses pay for the cleanup?

Just surprised I guess

I’m curious. Where in Florida does a government charge a fee to walk onto a public beach?

Dlbonivich 05-23-2024 05:49 AM

Not St.Pete - Clearwater area.

Papa_lecki 05-23-2024 05:54 AM

You need to buy a “beach tag” to go to many beaches in New Jersey, the towns sell them.

The proceeds are used to pay for lifeguards, beach cleaning, beach grooming.
There are kids who patrol the beach every day asking for your beach tag (and don’t worry, the police are close buy if you obstruct them).

Bogie Shooter 05-23-2024 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 2333985)
You need to buy a “beach tag” to go to many beaches in New Jersey, the towns sell them.

The proceeds are used to pay for lifeguards, beach cleaning, beach grooming.
There are kids who patrol the beach every day asking for your beach tag (and don’t worry, the police are close buy if you obstruct them).

And Florida?

Switter 05-23-2024 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2333453)
Not going to the beach much here in Florida, except to entertain visitors.

I'm not surprised by parking fees which I get considering the value of beach front property.

But why a charge to use a public beach in Florida?
Aren't beaches public land?
Is the charge used to clean-up after the public pigs?
Do condo associations and Retail businesses pay for the cleanup?

Just surprised I guess

I went to Flagler Beach and they didn't charge. You park right alongside the road that runs alongside the beach. It's probably best to get there a little early though.

I would be OK with paying for parking as long as it was reasonable--like $4-5 bucks for all day--if it helped maintain the beaches. People spend that much on a cup of coffee without batting an eye.

I like Flagler Beach, not too crowded.

Altavia 05-23-2024 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2333453)
Not going to the beach much here in Florida, except to entertain visitors.

I'm not surprised by parking fees which I get considering the value of beach front property.

But why a charge to use a public beach in Florida?
Aren't beaches public land?
Is the charge used to clean-up after the public pigs?
Do condo associations and Retail businesses pay for the cleanup?

Just surprised I guess

Where did you have to pay to walk into a beach?

RomeL 05-23-2024 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MSchad (Post 2333501)
Personally have never been charged to go on a public beach. Have paid to park in some places. Have paid to drive on and park on a beach. But never to walk onto and use a public beach.

I have live in the State of Florida for 20 years and have never ever paid to go to the beach. Parking yes. But beach access no. Driving your car on the beach will cost you a fee also. But walking?!?!?!

Girlcopper 05-23-2024 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2333453)
Not going to the beach much here in Florida, except to entertain visitors.

I'm not surprised by parking fees which I get considering the value of beach front property.

But why a charge to use a public beach in Florida?
Aren't beaches public land?
Is the charge used to clean-up after the public pigs?
Do condo associations and Retail businesses pay for the cleanup?

Just surprised I guess

What beach? This post is vague

maistocars 05-23-2024 07:29 AM

I haven't seen the OP respond as to what beach charged, but I've never been charged to walk onto a Florida public beach.

Shipping up to Boston 05-23-2024 07:43 AM

There is no beach in the State that charges a walk in/access fee. Parking....yes.

OhioBuckeye 05-23-2024 08:34 AM

Ohiobuckeye
 
Don’t know what to tell you! I guess pay what they ask or don’t swim on their beach. Never heard of anyone or Hotel or business owning a body of ocean. Nothing surprises me anymore.

justjim 05-23-2024 08:56 AM

The Beach I’m most familiar with is Cocoa Beach which has many areas of access to the beach that are walk on free. However, parking your car in a beach park during a special event or driving your car onto the beach like at Daytona or New Smyrna there are fees. Parking your car at a beachside hotel is prohibited unless you are staying there. There is free parking near the access areas but during busy times they fill up. Like most things there is free and not so free.

PurePeach 05-23-2024 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 2333985)
You need to buy a “beach tag” to go to many beaches in New Jersey, the towns sell them.

The proceeds are used to pay for lifeguards, beach cleaning, beach grooming.
There are kids who patrol the beach every day asking for your beach tag (and don’t worry, the police are close buy if you obstruct them).

And this relates to Florida beaches in what way?

justjim 05-23-2024 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2333453)
Not going to the beach much here in Florida, except to entertain visitors.

I'm not surprised by parking fees which I get considering the value of beach front property.

But why a charge to use a public beach in Florida?
Aren't beaches public land?
Is the charge used to clean-up after the public pigs?
Do condo associations and Retail businesses pay for the cleanup?

Just surprised I guess

There is absolutely free access to Florida beaches and free parking definitely if you get there early and ,if not early, you spend a bit of time looking and willing to walk a block or two.

Pairadocs 05-23-2024 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by bmcgowan13 (Post 2333484)
Wait.What? They charge for beach access?

Florida Statue guarantees you access :(1) “Access” or “public access” as used in ss. 161.041, 161.052, and 161.053 means the public’s right to laterally traverse the sandy beaches of this state where such access exists on or after July 1, 1987, or where the public has established an accessway through private lands to lands seaward of the mean high tide or water line by prescription, prescriptive easement, or any other legal means, development or construction shall not interfere with such right of public access unless a comparable alternative accessway is provided.

Is it a State or County Park that is charging you? At Daytona and New Smyrna we have never been charged to walk onto the beach--only fees to park our car away from the beach. I understand having to pay to park on private property near the beach (market rate) and modest fees for state or county parks to pay for lifeguards, beach grooming and trash control.

Are they charging access for you to walk onto a public beach?

The country/state parks I have been to charge less than $4 entry.

What beach is charging you--I'll put in on my no-go list. Too many others do not charge.

Excellent reply ! I too did a "double take" when I read this. Made me wonder, is this from a person new to Florida ? Florida native here, so we've always used public beaches so no fees and no parking charges. However, after moving "north" (lol!) to retire, we do (once in awhile) go to Jetty beach and pay the county fee, and occasionally go over to Honeymoon on the Gulf and pay the state park fee. However we go to the beach at least 4 times a month, sometimes more. 90% of the time we just go to one of the MANY free access public beaches, after all, it's more difficult to find a Florida beach with an entrance FEE than it is to find a fee beach, LOL !

Seems a "tempest in a tea pot" to me, but perhaps, I misunderstand the post ? Even at beaches like Jetty and Honeymoon, would such a small fee really make a individual not enjoy 6-8 hours of beach time ? Maybe so ?

jimjamuser 05-23-2024 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2333453)
Not going to the beach much here in Florida, except to entertain visitors.

I'm not surprised by parking fees which I get considering the value of beach front property.

But why a charge to use a public beach in Florida?
Aren't beaches public land?
Is the charge used to clean-up after the public pigs?
Do condo associations and Retail businesses pay for the cleanup?

Just surprised I guess

That would NOT happen along the ocean beach in the state of Oregon. Because 1/2 mile from the waters edge is owned by the citizens of the state of Oregon. Any little cities nearby provide parking free of charge. The city of Gearhart, Or. even provided a couple of tennis courts and parking within walking distance of the Ocean. You contrast that with Florida where bars and restaurants are built almost to the waters edge and Hotels BLOCK citizens access to what should be THEIR BEACH! Different states with different attitudes about who deserves to use their beaches.

shut the front door 05-24-2024 10:21 AM

Since the OP never answered the question of which beaches charge admission (not parking) fees, it pretty much puts the whole post in question.

Danube 05-24-2024 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2334244)
That would NOT happen along the ocean beach in the state of Oregon. Because 1/2 mile from the waters edge is owned by the citizens of the state of Oregon. Any little cities nearby provide parking free of charge. The city of Gearhart, Or. even provided a couple of tennis courts and parking within walking distance of the Ocean. You contrast that with Florida where bars and restaurants are built almost to the waters edge and Hotels BLOCK citizens access to what should be THEIR BEACH! Different states with different attitudes about who deserves to use their beaches.

Not true. A casual drive along the Oregon coast would disprove the 1/2-mile claim. 1000's of residences and businesses are within a stone's throw of the Pacific.

I have access to current assessor land records and maps for every parcel in the US. I just looked at all the parcels in Gearhart that border on the Pacific. 80% of them are privately owned and their western boundaries look like they are at the ocean's high-water mark.

Elsewhere on the Oregon coast some private parcels extend 100m or more into the Pacific. Some end at the high-water mark. Some end 100-200m or more inland and the State or other public agency owns the beach areas. It varies. Pretty much like most other states, including Florida.

bmcgowan13 05-24-2024 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2334244)
That would NOT happen along the ocean beach in the state of Oregon. Because 1/2 mile from the waters edge is owned by the citizens of the state of Oregon.

I believe you...just curious...what is the water temperature off the coast of Oregon? LOL

Just poking fun---I grew up in NH and the average water temperature is 68°. Good news is--there was *always* room on the beach and in the water. Wetsuits were as common as bathing suite.

They never charged for beach access either--they were glad to have people there to spend money in the shops and restaurants.

Shipping up to Boston 05-24-2024 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bmcgowan13 (Post 2334498)
I believe you...just curious...what is the water temperature off the coast of Oregon? LOL

Just poking fun---I grew up in NH and the average water temperature is 68°. Good news is--there was *always* room on the beach and in the water. Wetsuits were as common as bathing suite.

They never charged for beach access either--they were glad to have people there to spend money in the shops and restaurants.

If that's Hampton Beach, lots of money spent on that boulevard


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