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JGibson 06-17-2024 08:18 AM

Florida Amendment 3 Marijuana Legalization.
 
It's on the ballot this November.

It's estimated the tax revenue in the first year would be over $500 million and much more in the following years.

21 years of age would be the age limit and no cultivating on your own.

Medical marijuana is already legal in Florida and seems to obtain approval is a low threshold and really just about the money for doctor fees.

For those who say it's a gateway drug well alcohol or any mind altering medication can also be a gateway drug.

Yea or Nay on Amendment 3 for marijuana legalization?

retiredguy123 06-17-2024 08:40 AM

Yea. It's a no brainer because the current system is a total scam. Anyone who wants to buy medical marijuana in Florida can do so now by just paying the money. The screening system is a joke.

Battlebasset 06-17-2024 08:53 AM

Nope. The crime and other problems it brings is far surpassed by any revenue it brings in. Just google "pot Denver crime".

I'm not sure why we allow it to be dispensed the way that it is for medical purposes. Should controlled medical substances be dispensed by a pharmacy?

Finally, just like alcohol, kids are going to get it. Per the Mayo Clinic:

Marijuana use in teens

Marijuana contains more than 500 chemicals, of which delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is considered the primary psychoactive (mind-altering) compound. The concentration of THC in a marijuana product is directly proportional to its potency or how much of a high it will give when consumed. Marijuana use among adolescents and young adults can affect normal brain development, leading to problems in learning, memory, coordination, reaction time and judgment.

Excessive and frequent use of marijuana is associated with hallucinations, paranoia, and a range of emotional problems. The severe form of marijuana abuse is called marijuana use disorder. Youth who use marijuana at an early age, in high amounts and with the risk factors mentioned above are more prone to developing marijuana use disorder.


If it was restricted to adult in private, then I don't care. But you know it won't be. Move to NYC if you like the smell of skunk weed as you walk the streets.

tophcfa 06-17-2024 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JGibson (Post 2341762)
It's on the ballot this November.

It's estimated the tax revenue in the first year would be over $500 million and much more in the following years.

21 years of age would be the age limit and no cultivating on your own.

Medical marijuana is already legal in Florida and seems to obtain approval is a low threshold and really just about the money for doctor fees.

For those who say it's a gateway drug well alcohol or any mind altering medication can also be a gateway drug.

Yea or Nay on Amendment 3 for marijuana legalization?

Nay, unless it accompanies very strict guidelines to protect medical patients and allows cultivation. Why, our other home is in Massachusetts and I have seen this play out. The dispensaries that now cater to medical only, with a variety of CBD dominant products for things like joint pain and inflammation, will dump the focus on medical products like a hot potato if recreational becomes legal. The profit is on recreational products that simply have the highest THC content to get the user blasted. Medical patients in Massachusetts can no longer find products anywhere that were easy to source before recreational became legal. Growing high CBD products is more difficult, has lower harvest yields, and is therefore less profitable. Making recreational legal has been a bad thing for medical patients. Regarding cultivation, it’s all about supply and demand relative to the black market. Without cultivation, the only sources of supply are dispensaries and the black market, keeping prices for the consumer very high. The dispensaries set prices at or just below the black market. Allowing cultivation is a game changer for product pricing, especially in Florida where the tropical climate is very conducive to growing. Allowing cultivation both crowds out the black market and forces overall prices significantly lower. No doubt, they want to curtail cultivation to force consumers to purchase from taxable government regulated entities.

Kelevision 06-17-2024 09:03 AM

Top 5 most addictive drugs.
1. Cocaine
2. Heroin
3. Alcohol
4. Nicotine
5. Meth

You know what isn’t addictive? Marijuana. The plant that’s grown from the ground untouched. I wish people would do research. Of course I support this and most everyone will. It’s a no brainer. You never see the headline…” Driver under the influence of weed killed……” Let’s not start on prescription medications like opioids. Not to mention the people who use both alcohol AND medications like opioids.

retiredguy123 06-17-2024 09:09 AM

The way I see it, the new law will just eliminate the bogus medical screening system. Marijuana is already legal in Florida.

dougjb 06-17-2024 09:11 AM

Ban alcohol. Put Marijuana in every person's lunch bucket! See how mellow our society becomes!
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Topspinmo 06-17-2024 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelevision (Post 2341784)
Top 5 most addictive drugs.
1. Cocaine
2. Heroin
3. Alcohol
4. Nicotine
5. Meth

You know what isn’t addictive? Marijuana. The plant that’s grown from the ground untouched. I wish people would do research. Of course I support this and most everyone will. It’s a no brainer. You never see the headline…” Driver under the influence of weed killed……” Let’s not start on prescription medications like opioids. Not to mention the people who use both alcohol AND medications like opioids.


Then why pot heads keep smoking it? I don’t care one way or the other cause pot heads are going to smoke regardless. IMO it will reduce petit arrests and officer will actually have give citation for what pulled the vehicle over of instead to using the minor stop as gateway.

Topspinmo 06-17-2024 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2341786)
The way I see it, the new law will just eliminate the bogus medical screening system. Marijuana is already legal in Florida.


Marijuana is already legal in Florida?

Then why need to be voted on?

BubblesandPat 06-17-2024 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JGibson (Post 2341762)
It's on the ballot this November.

It's estimated the tax revenue in the first year would be over $500 million and much more in the following years.

21 years of age would be the age limit and no cultivating on your own.

Medical marijuana is already legal in Florida and seems to obtain approval is a low threshold and really just about the money for doctor fees.

For those who say it's a gateway drug well alcohol or any mind altering medication can also be a gateway drug.

Yea or Nay on Amendment 3 for marijuana legalization?

I think it's a great idea. The taxes collected can really help! People are buying it anyway...as far as gateway drug that is such bs. I've been smoking weed since the 70s and have lots of company. Never had the desire for anything else. I don't even drink alcohol.
The law is written that you have to use it at home...not in public. So would you rather have people drinking all night in the squares and driving home or someone chilling out on thier linai streaming movies. Which is very common. As far as teenagers? Are you kidding? If you want to buy weed off the street ask any teenager where to get it.
So taxes collected, safer product, and regulated. Win win to me.

retiredguy123 06-17-2024 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2341791)
Marijuana is already legal in Florida?

Then why need to be voted on?

Marijuana is legal because anyone can buy it. They just need to pay a doctor. If the law passes, you won't need to pay a doctor.

Kelevision 06-17-2024 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2341790)
Then why pot heads keep smoking it? I don’t care one way or the other cause pot heads are going to smoke regardless. IMO it will reduce petit arrests and officer will actually have give citation for what pulled the vehicle over of instead to using the minor stop as gateway.

They smoke it for the same reason a person would have a cocktail or beer/wine. The difference is, the more cocktails you have the more impaired you get and the more addicted you become, because it’s a physically addicting drug. The more pot you smoke doesn’t make you higher. You are only as high as you are no matter how much you smoke. And, it’s not physically addicting. Mentally is another issue.

Caymus 06-17-2024 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2341797)
Marijuana is legal because anyone can buy it. They just need to pay a doctor. If the law passes, you won't need to pay a doctor.

That will depend on how the state taxes medical vs recreational. It could still be cheaper overall for medical. Some states tax recreational so high that the black market continues to operate.

shut the front door 06-17-2024 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2341797)
Marijuana is legal because anyone can buy it. They just need to pay a doctor. If the law passes, you won't need to pay a doctor.

Delta 9 is also legal as I buy it all the time at the vape stores to help me sleep.

JRcorvette 06-17-2024 11:33 AM

I don’t use it I am voting Yes. It should never have been made illegal. Drugs are everywhere. The legal system does not work. I am hoping that they have a way to tell if you are DUI when using.

Mass288 06-17-2024 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battlebasset (Post 2341779)
Nope. The crime and other problems it brings is far surpassed by any revenue it brings in. Just google "pot Denver crime".

I'm not sure why we allow it to be dispensed the way that it is for medical purposes. Should controlled medical substances be dispensed by a pharmacy?

Finally, just like alcohol, kids are going to get it. Per the Mayo Clinic:

Marijuana use in teens

Marijuana contains more than 500 chemicals, of which delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is considered the primary psychoactive (mind-altering) compound. The concentration of THC in a marijuana product is directly proportional to its potency or how much of a high it will give when consumed. Marijuana use among adolescents and young adults can affect normal brain development, leading to problems in learning, memory, coordination, reaction time and judgment.

Excessive and frequent use of marijuana is associated with hallucinations, paranoia, and a range of emotional problems. The severe form of marijuana abuse is called marijuana use disorder. Youth who use marijuana at an early age, in high amounts and with the risk factors mentioned above are more prone to developing marijuana use disorder.


If it was restricted to adult in private, then I don't care. But you know it won't be. Move to NYC if you like the smell of skunk weed as you walk the streets.

Ok way to go with the 1960 propaganda...nice touch now back to reality when was the last time you ever saw a news story about an entire family being wiped out in a car accident because he.....just smoked a joint.....Ah never ...now try it with booze ......genius. get real

swooner 06-17-2024 03:56 PM

Got that right!;

swooner 06-17-2024 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2341775)
Yea. It's a no brainer because the current system is a total scam. Anyone who wants to buy medical marijuana in Florida can do so now by just paying the money. The screening system is a joke.

Got that right

Pugchief 06-17-2024 04:06 PM

Vote Yea.

Anyone who wants to get it can do so, via medical card or black market. Enforcement is low to nonexistent. Legalizing it will help to ensure (as far as that goes) purity. At least you will know what you are getting.

Hopefully, FL will learn from failures in other states. Taxing it is fine, but you have to keep it cheaper than the black market or users will go there instead.

ThirdOfFive 06-17-2024 04:35 PM

A no-brainer.

Pot is available to anyone who wants it. Has been for decades. Given that, there is no reason NOT to legalize it--which means regulating it, controlling quality, and of course taxing it.

Any sin tax--which this would be--is a potential cash cow, just like liquor and tobacco.

Topspinmo 06-17-2024 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2341797)
Marijuana is legal because anyone can buy it. They just need to pay a doctor. If the law passes, you won't need to pay a doctor.


You theory flawed, first you have find scrupulous doctor that will go against ethic’s to just give prescription for controlled substances. But, I could see some doctors getting kick backs just like pushing some pills. :thumbup:

GoRedSox! 06-17-2024 05:02 PM

I don't smoke it, but I say yay.

Topspinmo 06-17-2024 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2341879)
A no-brainer.

Pot is available to anyone who wants it. Has been for decades. Given that, there is no reason NOT to legalize it--which means regulating it, controlling quality, and of course taxing it.

Any sin tax--which this would be--is a potential cash cow, just like liquor and tobacco.


This what’s wrong with government think taxing something makes it good idea. But, when money involved expect anything can go

roob1 06-17-2024 05:17 PM

Mo- Get the facts before you comment. These docs are licensed by the state to prescribe it...nothing unethical at all.


Originally Posted by retiredguy123 View Post
Marijuana is legal because anyone can buy it. They just need to pay a doctor. If the law passes, you won't need to pay a doctor.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2341885)
You theory flawed, first you have find scrupulous doctor that will go against ethic’s to just give prescription for controlled substances. But, I could see some doctors getting kick backs just like pushing some pills. :thumbup:


retiredguy123 06-17-2024 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2341885)
You theory flawed, first you have find scrupulous doctor that will go against ethic’s to just give prescription for controlled substances. But, I could see some doctors getting kick backs just like pushing some pills. :thumbup:

You don't get a prescription for Marijuana, you get a state license. The "approved" doctor certifies that you have a condition that allows the license. The problem is that everyone who goes to an "approved" doctor is also certified by the doctor for the license. No one is denied the license. So, effectively, there is no screening process. It is just a money grab for the doctor and the state.

Note that it costs about $300 per year to maintain a Marijuana license, not including the cost to buy the drug.

Topspinmo 06-17-2024 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roob1 (Post 2341890)
Mo- Get the facts before you comment. These docs are licensed by the state to prescribe it...nothing unethical at all.


Originally Posted by retiredguy123 View Post
Marijuana is legal because anyone can buy it. They just need to pay a doctor. If the law passes, you won't need to pay a doctor.


No, I’ll comment anytime I feel like it.

Byte1 06-17-2024 05:36 PM

Today''s MJ is said to be a hundred times more potent than the weed our generation used as teens. As far as I am concerned, I have seen enough young folks with a lack of motivation and lack of willingness to work. I doubt if I could tell the difference if old folks smoked it or not. But, have fun enforcing DUIs due to pot influence. Sounds to me that the gov. wants more stuff to tax and folks want more medications to dull their "hard" life. Just keep that stuff away from me because I get sick when I smell the stuff burning.

Kelevision 06-17-2024 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2341885)
You theory flawed, first you have find scrupulous doctor that will go against ethic’s to just give prescription for controlled substances. But, I could see some doctors getting kick backs just like pushing some pills. :thumbup:

You realize marijuana isn’t a controlled substance, right? But those are actually legal and any doctor can prescribe them. It’s why people die from overdosing. Never once has anyone died from overdosing on pot.

justjim 06-17-2024 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2341791)
Marijuana is already legal in Florida?

Then why need to be voted on?

Making recreational Marijuana legal will bring in millions of tax dollars. Some of this money could be used for mental health help for the many that need it. It could also be used on homeless seeking affordable housing and education could benefit . Other State and local taxes could be reduced. Wife and I will vote yes.

justjim 06-17-2024 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoRedSox! (Post 2341886)
I don't smoke it, but I say yay.

Marijuana doesn’t necessarily have to be smoked.

eyc234 06-17-2024 06:55 PM

Nay. People smoke marijuana to get high, if it did not get you high off one joint you would not do it. Then you get in a car and drive, not safe and yes people do have wrecks when high due to impairment. You can have one drink and not be drunk. Also the tax money will go into the general fund not be earmarked for schools or law enforcement as the ads tout. Just like the lottery very little of the tax revenue will be seen by the school systems. You also have foreign crime syndicates running a lot of the "legal grow" facilities in the US. But one good thing is the number of guns on the street would go down since you cannot own a gun and do drugs.

walterray1 06-17-2024 06:55 PM

Relax is the word.
 
[QUOTE=JGibson;2341762]It's on the ballot this November.

It's estimated the tax revenue in the first year would be over $500 million and much more in the following years.

21 years of age would be the age limit and no cultivating on your own.

Medical marijuana is already legal in Florida and seems to obtain approval is a low threshold and really just about the money for doctor fees.

For those who say it's a gateway drug well alcohol or any mind altering medication can also be a gateway drug.

Yea or Nay on Amendment 3 for marijuana legalization?

Approving marijuana that is based on current science and regulated for appropriate adult use is definitely a smart move for the state of Florida. Built in market and a huge tax influx of funds for the state. Medical marijuana is already a given for may Floridians who need it medically and as a good way to improve way of life. Much better than drinking too much and especially better than doing hard pain killers. Anyway, it is time for this. I also understand the concern and fear of the other side. I believe that it can work for all.

Michael 61 06-17-2024 07:04 PM

I watched marijuana legalization destroy Denver Colorado.

JGibson 06-17-2024 08:24 PM

Just want to add the Governor and Attorney General is against it and trying everything possible to sabbatoge it like putting restrictions on THC potency if passed.

If the voters approve it would take effect in 6 months.

Topspinmo 06-17-2024 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justjim (Post 2341914)
Making recreational Marijuana legal will bring in millions of tax dollars. Some of this money could be used for mental health help for the many that need it. It could also be used on homeless seeking affordable housing and education could benefit . Other State and local taxes could be reduced. Wife and I will vote yes.



Yes, and the lottery was going fix education….. pipe dreams..:wave:

Topspinmo 06-17-2024 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelevision (Post 2341903)
You realize marijuana isn’t a controlled substance, right? But those are actually legal and any doctor can prescribe them. It’s why people die from overdosing. Never once has anyone died from overdosing on pot.


Then why are people getting arrested when possessing it? I amazes me when they get pulled over for taillight out it turns into smell of marijuana they arrest when find marijuana, O and tail light violation not violation anymore.

MrChip72 06-17-2024 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael 61 (Post 2341924)
I watched marijuana legalization destroy Denver Colorado.

I've spent time in Denver before and after legalization. I don't believe that marijuana is the root cause of their problems. Many articles cite gang and gun violence as well as meth and opiodes have overtaken Denver. No mention of marijuana. I honestly have never seen a ring of pot smokers doing burglaries, robberies and gang-style shootings.

Most places that legalized weed have experienced lower crime (feel free to look up recent non-partisan studies) and also save money on people getting incarcerated for smoking a joint which is absurd when it's legal in many places and easy to access almost anywhere.

They legalized it in our area up north and the street dealers went out of business overnight and many just got legitimate jobs at dispensaries. Same thing happened when prohibition ended 100 years ago with alcohol.

I'm shocked that anyone is against all of the tax revenue that it produces. It's not like people start smoking weed when it becomes legal. That never happens.

blueash 06-18-2024 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelevision (Post 2341903)
You realize marijuana isn’t a controlled substance, right? But those are actually legal and any doctor can prescribe them. It’s why people die from overdosing. Never once has anyone died from overdosing on pot.

What? Marijuana is not a controlled substance? What have you been smoking if you believe that. It is a Schedule one controlled substance right up there with heroin, LSD and meth. Which means there is no known legitimate use for the med and even prohibits almost all research.

The Biden administration has asked that it be reclassified as a lower category 3 controlled substance but there has not been any finalization of his effort which he began in 2022. But it getting closer.

After reclassification as a Schedule 3 controlled drug it will still be illegal under federal law to possess, grow etc except for legitimate medical uses. It will not decriminalize nor "legalize" pot. No matter what Florida does, possession will still violate Federal law. Attempts have been made to decriminalize on the federal level which results, of course, in the usual accusations of "soft on crime" and "must support the cartels" garbage.

A bill to decriminalize, remove marijuana from the controlled substance list, passed the House (HR 3617) in 2022 but died in the Senate under the threat of filibuster and the usual political infighting and posturing. Since the House changed parties there has been no action on the issue.

Kelevision 06-18-2024 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2341947)
What? Marijuana is not a controlled substance? What have you been smoking if you believe that. It is a Schedule one controlled substance right up there with heroin, LSD and meth. Which means there is no known legitimate use for the med and even prohibits almost all research.

The Biden administration has asked that it be reclassified as a lower category 3 controlled substance but there has not been any finalization of his effort which he began in 2022. But it getting closer.

After reclassification as a Schedule 3 controlled drug it will still be illegal under federal law to possess, grow etc except for legitimate medical uses. It will not decriminalize nor "legalize" pot. No matter what Florida does, possession will still violate Federal law. Attempts have been made to decriminalize on the federal level which results, of course, in the usual accusations of "soft on crime" and "must support the cartels" garbage.

A bill to decriminalize, remove marijuana from the controlled substance list, passed the House (HR 3617) in 2022 but died in the Senate under the threat of filibuster and the usual political infighting and posturing. Since the House changed parties there has been no action on the issue.

Controlled substance….a drug or other substance that is tightly controlled by the government because it may be abused or cause addiction….. which is why they’re trying to lower it because it’s actually not proved to cause any physical addiction. Mental addiction yes. Unlike Alcohol, pain meds and various products you can buy to sniff etc. all legally….

each year there are more than 178,000 deaths attributable to excessive alcohol use , making alcohol one of the leading preventable causes of death in the United States, behind tobacco and poor diet ...

I’d worry more about the first 2 on this list. The ones that should actually be on the controlled substance list.

Most addictive drugs…….

Nicotine
Alcohol
Opioids
Stimulants
Hallucinogens
Inhalants
Benzodiazepines
Barbiturates

Kelevision 06-18-2024 03:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battlebasset (Post 2341779)
Nope. The crime and other problems it brings is far surpassed by any revenue it brings in. Just google "pot Denver crime".

I'm not sure why we allow it to be dispensed the way that it is for medical purposes. Should controlled medical substances be dispensed by a pharmacy?

Finally, just like alcohol, kids are going to get it. Per the Mayo Clinic:

Marijuana use in teens

Marijuana contains more than 500 chemicals, of which delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is considered the primary psychoactive (mind-altering) compound. The concentration of THC in a marijuana product is directly proportional to its potency or how much of a high it will give when consumed. Marijuana use among adolescents and young adults can affect normal brain development, leading to problems in learning, memory, coordination, reaction time and judgment.

Excessive and frequent use of marijuana is associated with hallucinations, paranoia, and a range of emotional problems. The severe form of marijuana abuse is called marijuana use disorder. Youth who use marijuana at an early age, in high amounts and with the risk factors mentioned above are more prone to developing marijuana use disorder.


If it was restricted to adult in private, then I don't care. But you know it won't be. Move to NYC if you like the smell of skunk weed as you walk the streets.

They’re in the process of declassifying it as a controlled substance since it isn’t one by definition. Ironically both Alcohol and nicotine (which are exactly the definition of a controlled substance) are the top 2 most addictive drugs but hey, as long as the govt says it’s okay….. you should do a little research on deaths due to alcohol and nicotine vs pot. It’s scary that your only argument on the subject is from a Denver post. The 2 biggest celebrity pot heads that I know are Harrison Ford and of course Willie Nelson. You never see them in the headlines. I once was at Harrisons house and there were about 10 of us, he handed out baggies of weed with papers and a tray to each person. He loves his pot.


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