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Caymus 07-10-2024 05:52 AM

Safest way to dispose of non-bootable laptops?
 
What is the safest way to dispose of non-working laptops that may contain financial data on hard drives? Can computers shops be trusted? Don't want to get in a situation like a "certain politician's" son did.:smiley: When I was working, I would remove the drives and put them in one of the hydraulic presses at work.:smiley:

PoolBrews 07-10-2024 06:03 AM

Wiping your hard drive on a Windows machine:

1) Go to Start > Settings > Update & Security > Recovery > Reset PC.
2) Select Remove everything, and then Remove files and clean the drive.
3) Click Next, Reset, and then Continue.

As long as you select the "clean the drive" option there will be nothing recoverable left on the drive. It takes a while, but it overwrites all data portions of the drive.

No need to physically destroy the drive, and it can be reused.

retiredguy123 07-10-2024 06:06 AM

The safest way is with a sledge hammer.

golfing eagles 07-10-2024 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PoolBrews (Post 2348869)
Wiping your hard drive on a Windows machine:

1) Go to Start > Settings > Update & Security > Recovery > Reset PC.
2) Select Remove everything, and then Remove files and clean the drive.
3) Click Next, Reset, and then Continue.

As long as you select the "clean the drive" option there will be nothing recoverable left on the drive. It takes a while, but it overwrites all data portions of the drive.

No need to physically destroy the drive, and it can be reused.

However, the OP titled the thread "Safest way to dispose of non-bootable laptops?"

onfire 07-10-2024 06:21 AM

Remove the drive and physically destroy it, the easiest method is an old flat blade screwdriver and hammer. Just drive it through the very thin cover and into the discs (not in the center where the motor is).

jrref 07-10-2024 06:58 AM

Drill a couple of holes in the hard drive.

CarlR33 07-10-2024 07:19 PM

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MrChip72 07-10-2024 07:27 PM

Get an old cookie sheet. Preheat oven to 350. Put laptop on cookie sheet lined with tin foil for 45 mins. Tried and true recipe.

tophcfa 07-10-2024 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2348873)
The safest way is with a sledge hammer.

That’s exactly what I would do, then bag the pieces and toss it out with the trash.

SFSkol 07-11-2024 04:23 AM

install Linux Mint on it.
Just dl the iso. Install, wipes hard drive. Then you have a new secure PC
Easy to do, take you a half hour. Many YouTube install videos.

retiredguy123 07-11-2024 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SFSkol (Post 2349138)
install Linux Mint on it.
Just dl the iso. Install, wipes hard drive. Then you have a new secure PC
Easy to do, take you a half hour. Many YouTube install videos.

How do you do that when the laptop is non-bootable and non-working?

SFSkol 07-11-2024 05:17 AM

Kinda really means by non-working. If it turns on you can use my solution. If not, pull the drive and wait till garbage day and have the truck run over it.

Another poorly written original post that does not really explain the issue.

oh well....

MikeN 07-11-2024 05:22 AM

Hard drives are easy to remove and destroy. Hope you have a backup for your info

Berwin 07-11-2024 05:52 AM

There's a computer guy on 441 in the strip mall with Francesco's where I've taken some old laptops to get rid of. I think it is Troy's Computers. He said he'd remove the hard drives and destroy them but I had already removed them and taken care of it. Personally, I've helped several friends by bringing my toolkit over and taking their hard drives out for them to dispose of.

Pachine58 07-11-2024 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PoolBrews (Post 2348869)
Wiping your hard drive on a Windows machine:

1) Go to Start > Settings > Update & Security > Recovery > Reset PC.
2) Select Remove everything, and then Remove files and clean the drive.
3) Click Next, Reset, and then Continue.

As long as you select the "clean the drive" option there will be nothing recoverable left on the drive. It takes a while, but it overwrites all data portions of the drive.

No need to physically destroy the drive, and it can be reused.

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You can do this and even format the drive, I will be able to pull all your data back. You can even wipe out the partition, I can pull back the data.

Only way is to physically damage the HD. Put a Nail thru it.

retiredguy123 07-11-2024 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Berwin (Post 2349152)
There's a computer guy on 441 in the strip mall with Francesco's where I've taken some old laptops to get rid of. I think it is Troy's Computers. He said he'd remove the hard drives and destroy them but I had already removed them and taken care of it. Personally, I've helped several friends by bringing my toolkit over and taking their hard drives out for them to dispose of.

The OP said that he wants to dispose of the laptop. There is no need to remove the hard drive. Just smash the laptop a few times with a hammer, making sure the hard drive is bent and can no longer be used. Then, throw it in the trash. To me, that is a lot safer than turning the computer over to a stranger who could steal the data, or installing a software program that may not work.

Caymus 07-11-2024 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeN (Post 2349147)
Hard drives are easy to remove and destroy. Hope you have a backup for your info

I only have a few "critical" files which I routinely back up to an external drive.

The first one I opened had a solid-state drive which was easy to disable. I used to build desktops a few decades ago and remember that the drives back then were physically strong.

Maker 07-11-2024 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MrChip72 (Post 2349118)
Get an old cookie sheet. Preheat oven to 350. Put laptop on cookie sheet lined with tin foil for 45 mins. Tried and true recipe.

I would not want the toxic fumes in my oven. Use a grill maybe? Better yet, drill several holes through it.

OR ... Take the drive apart and remove the platter. Makes a great mirror. Boy Scouts are taught how to use it to signal for help when lost.

The magnets in it are also very strong. Nice to have on hand.

JoelJohnson 07-11-2024 06:41 AM

I convert old laptops to Linux. I can remove your old drive and put in an old drive with Linux. I'll show you how it works and show you how it works, that way you can keep your old laptop. Then I'll erase everything on your drive (and show that everything is gone) so I can use your drive on someone else's laptop. JoelJohnson530@gmail.com

LeRoySmith 07-11-2024 06:50 AM

My advice would be physically destroy the drive.

In my former life I managed data centers for a big insurance company, part of that work was to see that the old servers were destroyed and recycled. There was a pretty robust process to ensure we didn't destroy a drive accidentally, well one got through and made it's way into the press that bends the disc so it couldn't be read. The systems department realized their error in sending it to us and and asked for it back. I took it myself to their head, it was very bent up from the press. They took that drive to a magician and he retreaved the data. I would have bet anything that was impossible but they did it.

From that point on our presses were outfitted with a spike that went all the way through the drive so it have a big hole poked through it in addition to being bent up. A couple of years later I bought a big grinder and we sent them out as little pieces.

Obviously most places don't have those kind of resources but never say never.

MidWestIA 07-11-2024 07:04 AM

cook
 
put drive in charcoal grill

Haggar 07-11-2024 07:13 AM

After removing the drive and destroying it drop the laptop off at a recycling center. Look up on google the centers or stores in your area. Laptops contain dangerous materials - lead, mercury, etc.

christine J Toft 07-11-2024 07:52 AM

I actually take my old hard drives apart and recover the battery that's in it. They'll pick up lots of stuff!! Then just take apart the housing and trash it. Of course, take the parts to the proper drop offs.

Cliff Fr 07-11-2024 08:10 AM

I have a very strong magnet that I move over the hard drive after I take it out.

PoolBrews 07-11-2024 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pachine58 (Post 2349154)
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You can do this and even format the drive, I will be able to pull all your data back. You can even wipe out the partition, I can pull back the data.

Only way is to physically damage the HD. Put a Nail thru it.

This is incorrect. I was in IT for 40 years. As long as the wipe process OVERWRITES all date, there is no way to pull that data back.

Neither formatting or deleting a partition remove data so yes, in this case, data could be retrieved. If you wipe with full overwrite, it's impossible as the original data is no longer there.

LeRoySmith 07-11-2024 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by PoolBrews (Post 2349210)
This is incorrect. I was in IT for 40 years. As long as the wipe process OVERWRITES all date, there is no way to pull that data back.

Neither formatting or deleting a partition remove data so yes, in this case, data could be retrieved. If you wipe with full overwrite, it's impossible as the original data is no longer there.

One of my booger eater buddies told me a 'delete' or 'erase' just changed the first character of a packet with a wild card, if you go put the correct character back the data could be recovered. Is that accurate, or at least directionally correct?

Jim1mack 07-11-2024 08:36 AM

Destroy the hard drive then put the laptop on the curb. Someone will pick it up. No longer your problem.

tralemaster 07-11-2024 08:57 AM

I remove the hard drive and then take laptop to recycle center like Best Buy. I purchase a SATA to USB case and use the hard drive as an external usb drive. About $12 on Amazon.

Once set up as usb drive you can easily wipe the drive completely clean.

Sandy and Ed 07-11-2024 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maker (Post 2349170)
I would not want the toxic fumes in my oven. Use a grill maybe? Better yet, drill several holes through it.

OR ... Take the drive apart and remove the platter. Makes a great mirror. Boy Scouts are taught how to use it to signal for help when lost.

The magnets in it are also very strong. Nice to have on hand.

Best answer IMHO. Take it apart. Remove the disc. Destroy the disc

Robojo 07-11-2024 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Caymus (Post 2348864)
What is the safest way to dispose of non-working laptops that may contain financial data on hard drives? Can computers shops be trusted? Don't want to get in a situation like a "certain politician's" son did.:smiley: When I was working, I would remove the drives and put them in one of the hydraulic presses at work.:smiley:

Take the hard drive out. Take it to the shooting range as a target.

Theres gold in that laptop. I'll take it if you don't want it, minus the hard drive.

Lea N 07-11-2024 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PoolBrews (Post 2348869)
Wiping your hard drive on a Windows machine:

1) Go to Start > Settings > Update & Security > Recovery > Reset PC.
2) Select Remove everything, and then Remove files and clean the drive.
3) Click Next, Reset, and then Continue.

As long as you select the "clean the drive" option there will be nothing recoverable left on the drive. It takes a while, but it overwrites all data portions of the drive.

No need to physically destroy the drive, and it can be reused.

Wow, thank you for this. I've wondered the same thing that the OP did but had no idea what to do. Thank you!!

Lea N 07-11-2024 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2349124)
That’s exactly what I would do, then bag the pieces and toss it out with the trash.

I've thought the same thing.

SpartanMark 07-11-2024 10:13 AM

How long does it need to cool before slicing?

Deden 07-11-2024 10:44 AM

Hard drive should be copied that has all your Info on it. I have taken mine to Best Buy. I'm pretty sure Staples does that also.

JMintzer 07-11-2024 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SFSkol (Post 2349146)
Kinda really means by non-working. If it turns on you can use my solution. If not, pull the drive and wait till garbage day and have the truck run over it.

Another poorly written original post that does not really explain the issue.

oh well....

The OP seem pretty clear to most...

PoolBrews 07-11-2024 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeRoySmith (Post 2349216)
One of my booger eater buddies told me a 'delete' or 'erase' just changed the first character of a packet with a wild card, if you go put the correct character back the data could be recovered. Is that accurate, or at least directionally correct?

Yes, a simple delete or erase doesn't actually delete the data, it just changes the header for the data so that the file doesn't show up to the OS, and the space on the drive is available for use. If the OS allocates that space and writes data, then the previous data is unrecoverable.

That is why I clear state that you need to do a full wipe which includes overwriting the entire drive with random 1's and 0's.

A normal format does not overwrite the data, a wipe does.

broiler 07-12-2024 04:53 AM

I shoot mine. 😎

Grinchie 07-12-2024 05:29 AM

I put my old laptop in a tub full of water & let it soak for two days (it wouldn’t turn on afterwards.). I like the hammer idea better, but I’d probably never damage the hard drive, just the casing.

Fairtoall 07-12-2024 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caymus (Post 2348864)
What is the safest way to dispose of non-working laptops that may contain financial data on hard drives? Can computers shops be trusted? Don't want to get in a situation like a "certain politician's" son did.:smiley: When I was working, I would remove the drives and put them in one of the hydraulic presses at work.:smiley:

I am a computer guy. There is one way. Hammer then fire.

swerner 07-12-2024 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2349124)
That’s exactly what I would do, then bag the pieces and toss it out with the trash.

Electronic equipment should never be tossed in the trash. On Sumter County hazardous waste collection days, they also collect computers and TV’s for safe recycling.


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