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CoachKandSportsguy 09-12-2024 12:23 PM

Sunspots & hurricanes
 
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Volcanoes, shmallkanoes

Hurricanes are produced by sunspots

MorTech 09-13-2024 01:22 AM

Hurricanes and tornados are caused by temperature deltas due mostly to solar activity.

MorTech 09-13-2024 03:20 AM

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Daily sun energy map...Typical.
Obviously this is going to produce swirling winds...And randomly depending on cloud cover.

MorTech 09-13-2024 03:37 AM

Fun Fact: Currently, one second of sun energy is equivalent to what man produces/uses in 7 years.

Yeah, "man causing climate change" requires a total lack of spatial reckoning ability...and of course mindless "faith".

Blueblaze 09-13-2024 02:23 PM

Son of a gun!

So you're saying that gargantuan thermonuclear explosion that's been going on for the past 4 billion years, a mere 10 minutes from here, effects our climate more than a trace gas in the atmosphere that has never exceeded 0.04% ?

Weird!

Have you alerted "Science" about this? I think he's over his latest bout of Covid-19!

ThirdOfFive 09-14-2024 07:10 AM

I read awhile back that Astronomers have noted "global warming" on all the superior planets.

Sunspots?

Little green guys who are in denial over the fact that their particular globe is getting too warm?

CoachKandSportsguy 09-14-2024 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2370501)
I read awhile back that Astronomers have noted "global warming" on all the superior planets.

Sunspots?

Little green guys who are in denial over the fact that their particular globe is getting too warm?

So we know that the earth wobbles in all of its motion axees, we know that the whole solar system is free floating in space while also moving through space, meaning that the earth while rotating is also moving in a circular direction rotating around the recycling black hole in the center of the milky way,

So what we do not know is what type of wobbling the sun does, including in radiation intensity, and any other axis travel wobble. .

If you look back in history, there was a medieval warming period, evidenced in records in England/europe I believe. Medieval warm period (MWP) | Britannica, and certainly it wasn't human development, etc. . but this is also an estimate of average temperature, as temperature measurement is only about 200 years old max at best. So which wobble caused that warming?

jimjamuser 09-28-2024 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2370509)
So we know that the earth wobbles in all of its motion axees, we know that the whole solar system is free floating in space while also moving through space, meaning that the earth while rotating is also moving in a circular direction rotating around the recycling black hole in the center of the milky way,

So what we do not know is what type of wobbling the sun does, including in radiation intensity, and any other axis travel wobble. .

If you look back in history, there was a medieval warming period, evidenced in records in England/europe I believe. Medieval warm period (MWP) | Britannica, and certainly it wasn't human development, etc. . but this is also an estimate of average temperature, as temperature measurement is only about 200 years old max at best. So which wobble caused that warming?

So, a solar wobble is causing Global Warming on Earth. Why then do most all scientists say that it is caused by CO2 emissions from automobiles and factories? It seems to me that these alternative theories are promulgated so that people will believe that there is NOTHING they can do to prevent Global Warming. So they don't bother to buy an electric golf cart or an electric automobile. That's like a do-nothing party. There used to bee a know-nothing party in the US.

Haggar 09-28-2024 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2369928)
Volcanoes, shmallkanoes

Hurricanes are produced by sunspots

This graph was prepared by Ryan Maue - a man known to be a climate denier - who was appointed to be NOAA's top scientist in November 2020 and was then fired in January 2021 for publishing papers he was claimed were copyrighted by NOAA which were not. They were approved by NOAA at all.

Two months on the job. If you're going to use graphs at least get a legitimate source

Since 80% of the world's scientists - a proven fact - believe climate change is real and that mankind can and has affected our climate I'll go with the majority. All these charts which are incomprehensible to us non-scientists don't convince me one bit.

The good thing is - and I should have just done this - I can just go to the next thread.

Topspinmo 09-28-2024 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Haggar (Post 2374511)
This graph was prepared by Ryan Maue - a man known to be a climate denier - who was appointed to be NOAA's top scientist in November 2020 and was then fired in January 2021 for publishing papers he was claimed were copyrighted by NOAA which were not. They were approved by NOAA at all.

Two months on the job. If you're going to use graphs at least get a legitimate source

Since 80% of the world's scientists - a proven fact - believe climate change is real and that mankind can and has affected our climate I'll go with the majority. All these charts which are incomprehensible to us non-scientists don't convince me one bit.

The good thing is - and I should have just done this - I can just go to the next thread.


What we got here are believers and non believers. Let me cash in and I’ll become believer :eclipsee_gold_cup:

fdpaq0580 09-28-2024 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MorTech (Post 2370116)
Fun Fact: Currently, one second of sun energy is equivalent to what man produces/uses in 7 years.

Yeah, "man causing climate change" requires a total lack of spatial reckoning ability...and of course mindless "faith".

Hmm? Stop all the oil and gas nonsense. According to this post, we should go 100% SOLAR! NOW! Quit digging and drilling and pumping and burning and polluting. Time is wasting. All SOLAR, all the time. I like it.

Topspinmo 09-28-2024 04:07 PM

All I know is the weather is constantly changing. Century to century, Decade to decade, Year to year, month to month, day to day, hour to hour, and minute to minute. In other words the climate is always changing. That’s why can’t argue with climate change. :shrug:

fdpaq0580 09-28-2024 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2369928)
Volcanoes, shmallkanoes

Hurricanes are produced by sunspots

Need better labeling. Is the top the sun spots or the hurricanes? Not sure what Tom's overlay is supposed to demonstrate.

fdpaq0580 09-28-2024 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2370501)
I read awhile back that Astronomers have noted "global warming" on all the superior planets.

Sunspots?

Little green guys who are in denial over the fact that their particular globe is getting too warm?

Are you implying some of our planets are inferior? Planetist! 👽👨*🚀🧑*🚀

Shipping up to Boston 09-28-2024 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2374517)
Hmm? Stop all the oil and gas nonsense. According to this post, we should go 100% SOLAR! NOW! Quit digging and drilling and pumping and burning and polluting. Time is wasting. All SOLAR, all the time. I like it.

Confused...
Correct me if I’m wrong or if your posts are sarcasm....but you stated in the past that you derive income from oil drilling and the industry? I have no issue with that ...just wondering with statements like the above and in other like minded threads...how do you reconcile?

JMintzer 09-28-2024 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Haggar (Post 2374511)
This graph was prepared by Ryan Maue - a man known to be a climate denier - who was appointed to be NOAA's top scientist in November 2020 and was then fired in January 2021 for publishing papers he was claimed were copyrighted by NOAA which were not. They were approved by NOAA at all.

Two months on the job. If you're going to use graphs at least get a legitimate source

Since 80% of the world's scientists - a proven fact - believe climate change is real and that mankind can and has affected our climate I'll go with the majority. All these charts which are incomprehensible to us non-scientists don't convince me one bit.

The good thing is - and I should have just done this - I can just go to the next thread.

80%?

I thought the made up # was 97%...

It's so hard to keep up...

JMintzer 09-28-2024 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2374485)
So, a solar wobble is causing Global Warming on Earth. Why then do most all scientists say that it is caused by CO2 emissions from automobiles and factories?

Because they don't...

fdpaq0580 09-28-2024 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston (Post 2374528)
Confused...
Correct me if I’m wrong or if your posts are sarcasm....but you stated in the past that you derive income from oil drilling and the industry? I have no issue with that ...just wondering with statements like the above and in other like minded threads...how do you reconcile?

My response was to post 4. It was intended to sound over-reactive to the claim made in post 4. Sarcasm? Yes? But with a note of truth about future energy needs as old technologies become more antiquated, costly and inefficient.
Yes. I do derive income (a few hundred $, not thousands) from fossil fuels. I have a small, undivided percentage of oil land in Texas. As I have stated in the past, that while I do receive income from oil, that income does not blind me to the fact that there are alternative energy sources which are superior in many ways. Like an old man, which I am, enjoying a donut that he knows is not healthy or good for him, I can accept my dietary failing, but still in good conscience advocate for a healthy diet for one and all. I could sell my small share, but that wouldn't really solve anything. The extraction would continue and some one else would get the check. If I get the check, I can still afford the occasional donut with my senior coffee. Black, no cream or sugar, thanks.
Hope that is understandable. 🙂🙂🙂

MorTech 09-28-2024 11:27 PM

I see your confusion...Actual scientists know CO2 has no effect on climate and that atmospheric CO2 is the outcome of climate...97% of political scientists disagree.

fdpaq0580 09-29-2024 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by MorTech (Post 2374588)
I see your confusion...Actual scientists know CO2 has no effect on climate and that atmospheric CO2 is the outcome of climate...97% of political scientists disagree.

"Political scientists"? You mean the folks that study politicle science (aka - poli-sci)? What does political science have to do with climatology? 🤨

CoachKandSportsguy 09-29-2024 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2374746)
"Political scientists"? You mean the folks that study politicle science (aka - poli-sci)? What does political science have to do with climatology? 🤨

dry humor escapes certain people, but it was hilarious!

fdpaq0580 09-29-2024 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2374838)
dry humor escapes certain people, but it was hilarious!

I knew what was intended, but I couldn't resist. Usually I am the one that says something that doesn't align with what I am thinking, and when I read back what I have written I get a good laugh at my own expense. 😊🙂😉

Normal 09-30-2024 02:51 AM

Most?
 
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2374485)
So, a solar wobble is causing Global Warming on Earth. Why then do most all scientists say that it is caused by CO2 emissions from automobiles and factories? It seems to me that these alternative theories are promulgated so that people will believe that there is NOTHING they can do to prevent Global Warming. So they don't bother to buy an electric golf cart or an electric automobile. That's like a do-nothing party. There used to bee a know-nothing party in the US.

Most? I then would ask,”Why did MOST scientists believe the Earth was flat before Galileo?” Seriously, don’t give scientists a pass when it comes to anything. All the while, “Four out of five use Crest toothpaste” too.

fdpaq0580 09-30-2024 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2374886)
Most? I then would ask,”Why did MOST scientists believe the Earth was flat before Galileo?” Seriously, don’t give scientists a pass when it comes to anything. All the while, “Four out of five use Crest toothpaste” too.

Most.
As to your question, what makes you think most scientists believed the world was flat before Galileo? It was pretty well figured out long before.
As for giving scientists a pass? No. They, like everyone else, have to earn it.
Lastly, I believe your quote is incorrect and, thusly, misleading due to the context you associated it with. I believe the quote should be, "Four out of five dentists surveyed recommend Crest toothpaste to their clients".


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