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SHIBUMI 09-29-2024 08:17 PM

How are Football Games any different from the Roman Colliseums
 
It seems like we have not progressed very far from the old days. All the peasants are being appeased by the royalty with games of breaking bones, injuries, and head trauma. Granted,
there are less lives lost because we are now civilized. Have we really progressed from thousands of years ago or is human nature the same, a scary thing.

This is not a condemnation of football, far from it, it is just an observation that mankind has not really changed that much. Are we really more civilized or is the veneer just thicker or more shiny/ blinding ? :22yikes:

biggamefish1 09-29-2024 08:34 PM

Hmmm
 
No one is killed for enjoyment

Shipping up to Boston 09-29-2024 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SHIBUMI (Post 2374860)
It seems like we have not progressed very far from the old days. All the peasants are being appeased by the royalty with games of breaking bones, injuries, and head trauma. Granted,
there are less lives lost because we are now civilized. Have we really progressed from thousands of years ago or is human nature the same, a scary thing.

This is not a condemnation of football, far from it, it is just an observation that mankind has not really changed that much. Are we really more civilized or is the veneer just thicker or more shiny/ blinding ? :22yikes:

Oh boy....cant wait to hear your commentary on the UFC! :1rotfl

*btw, interestingly, UFC president Dana White was negotiating with Italian officials on the possibility of hosting an Elon Musk vs Mark Zuckerberg MMA fight....at the Colosseum

manaboutown 09-29-2024 10:44 PM

Read what George Orwell had to say about football ...It helps keep the masses under control. That is why Roman leaders built coliseums and provided entertainment therein, to keep the masses distracted and happy.

AMB444 09-29-2024 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SHIBUMI (Post 2374860)
...or is human nature the same, a scary thing.

It's the same.

spd2918 10-01-2024 07:04 AM

I agree people don't pay attention to real problems, but ignorance is their choice. There is no secret society promoting football to hide nefarious activity.

Shipping up to Boston 10-01-2024 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by spd2918 (Post 2375248)
I agree people don't pay attention to real problems, but ignorance is their choice. There is no secret society promoting football to hide nefarious activity.

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Topspinmo 10-01-2024 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SHIBUMI (Post 2374860)
It seems like we have not progressed very far from the old days. All the peasants are being appeased by the royalty with games of breaking bones, injuries, and head trauma. Granted,
there are less lives lost because we are now civilized. Have we really progressed from thousands of years ago or is human nature the same, a scary thing.

This is not a condemnation of football, far from it, it is just an observation that mankind has not really changed that much. Are we really more civilized or is the veneer just thicker or more shiny/ blinding ? :22yikes:

IMO we have choices, don’t like it don’t contribute. NFL has never gotten dime from me.

Taltarzac725 10-01-2024 11:08 AM

Gladiators were celebrities in the Roman Empire and were usually the survivors of most battles put on to entertain the spectators. But the condemned prisoners and the like were often eaten by all kinds of animals they brought from around the territories the Romans controlled. Trampled by elephants, eaten by crocodiles, ripped apart by some of the massive dogs--Molossian Hounds--that the Roman armies had. It was an incredibly bloody event.

ThirdOfFive 10-01-2024 11:37 AM

Bread and circuses. The same principle at work now as it was then. We're just a bit more polished about it.

Gotta appease the Great Unwashed, yanno....

blueash 10-01-2024 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2375323)
IMO we have choices, don’t like it don’t contribute. NFL has never gotten dime from me.

Really? No one gives the NFL anything. One might buy a ticket that goes to the local ownership. But if you have ever bought any product that has advertised during an NFL game... they paid the NFL and you paid a higher cost to offset the cost of the advertisement. So that would include any car, almost any adult beverage, insurance products, Walmart, Movie studios, McDonald's etc etc etc. So Tops, you have given much more than a dime to the NFL>

Shipping up to Boston 10-01-2024 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2375417)
Really? No one gives the NFL anything. One might buy a ticket that goes to the local ownership. But if you have ever bought any product that has advertised during an NFL game... they paid the NFL and you paid a higher cost to offset the cost of the advertisement. So that would include any car, almost any adult beverage, insurance products, Walmart, Movie studios, McDonald's etc etc etc. So Tops, you have given much more than a dime to the NFL>

Agree
You forgot BioPharma too. Just sayin’! :1rotfl:

Haggar 10-01-2024 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2375354)
Gladiators were celebrities in the Roman Empire and were usually the survivors of most battles put on to entertain the spectators. But the condemned prisoners and the like were often eaten by all kinds of animals they brought from around the territories the Romans controlled. Trampled by elephants, eaten by crocodiles, ripped apart by some of the massive dogs--Molossian Hounds--that the Roman armies had. It was an incredibly bloody event.

The NFL has lions, tigers, bears, jaguars. Maybe not too different.

Taltarzac725 10-01-2024 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Haggar (Post 2375446)
The NFL has lions, tigers, bears, jaguars. Maybe not too different.

It looks like the Romans killed 1,000,000 animals in the various games in that single Colosseum over the 390 years the games were there.

mraines 10-02-2024 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SHIBUMI (Post 2374860)
It seems like we have not progressed very far from the old days. All the peasants are being appeased by the royalty with games of breaking bones, injuries, and head trauma. Granted,
there are less lives lost because we are now civilized. Have we really progressed from thousands of years ago or is human nature the same, a scary thing.

This is not a condemnation of football, far from it, it is just an observation that mankind has not really changed that much. Are we really more civilized or is the veneer just thicker or more shiny/ blinding ? :22yikes:

Can we add rodeos and car racing?

Taltarzac725 10-02-2024 02:32 PM

At least no one has developed Rollerball.

JerryLBell 10-04-2024 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by biggamefish1 (Post 2374865)
No one is killed for enjoyment

Well, few players actually die on the football field. The deaths from repeated concussions and chronic traumatic encephalopathy take a LOT longer to happen than a gold old-fashioned spearing with a trident.

Normal 10-04-2024 10:25 AM

Uh, there is a zero expectation for death
 
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Originally Posted by SHIBUMI (Post 2374860)
It seems like we have not progressed very far from the old days. All the peasants are being appeased by the royalty with games of breaking bones, injuries, and head trauma. Granted,
there are less lives lost because we are now civilized. Have we really progressed from thousands of years ago or is human nature the same, a scary thing.

This is not a condemnation of football, far from it, it is just an observation that mankind has not really changed that much. Are we really more civilized or is the veneer just thicker or more shiny/ blinding ? :22yikes:

Perhaps there is a zero expectation for death? Granted the sport is rough, but not nearly as bad as European rugby where there are way more players and deaths occur more often. I can’t remember the last time a death was reported during a pro football game except for Lamar Hamlin who is of course now playing again anyway.

Taltarzac725 10-04-2024 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2376064)
Perhaps there is a zero expectation for death. Granted the sport is rough, but not nearly as bad as European rugby where there are way more players and deaths occur more often.

I did not see much of if any safety precautions taken at the rugby games at the Paris Olympics.

fdpaq0580 10-04-2024 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2375639)
At least no one has developed Rollerball.

No need. We still have hockey.

Normal 10-04-2024 11:12 AM

Many other sports can have more severe consequences
 
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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2376065)
I did not see much of if any safety precautions taken at the rugby games at the Paris Olympics.

One of the most dangerous sports with a much more sinister result on the human body than football could ever produce is of course gymnastics.

Many gymnasts who have shortened the statures and worn their bodies out suffer greatly from a vast array of consequences from the gym floor. The musculoskeletal problems and pains that develop are unbearable for most. All for a little fame in their 20s.

Number 10 GI 10-04-2024 11:54 AM

People were forced to fight to the death in the Roman arenas, football players voluntarily play the game and there are no death matches. Big difference.

Taltarzac725 10-04-2024 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 2376097)
People were forced to fight to the death in the Roman arenas, football players voluntarily play the game and there are no death matches. Big difference.

Some of the people. There were those who chose to be trained as gladiators and the like. And some of the gladiators became very powerful and rich celebrities. And those in charge did not want to kill the person bringing in a lot of money.

Road-Runner 10-04-2024 12:29 PM

Different then the way I played the game "back in the day", no for me it probably wasn't much different. Hitting was everything, we were taught to punish the opposing team which I was quite good at. Never got flagged for a cheap shot, all my tackles / hits were "clean" and allowable by the rules, I just happened to really enjoy that part of the game. Trust me when I say I was far from alone.


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