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dlsgrafton 10-12-2024 10:26 PM

Doing business on our streets.
 
Why can a resident run a business on our streets? There's a resident on Davenport, near the swimming pool that rents out 'Golfcarts" and has for over a year and nothing is being done. by the Villages Yes, I'm calling this resident and the Villages management out.

onfire 10-13-2024 04:46 AM

You have a valid concern and it's unfortunate that some people do not respect the community or their neighbors, however, if the business complies with Florida House Bill 403 2021 (CS/HB 403) then there's likely nothing your CDD can do about it.

You could also ask:

Why are people allowed to operate short term rentals?

Why are people allowed to work from home?

UsuallyLurking 10-13-2024 07:34 AM

Running a business out of the house it typically thought of as an internal deed restriction, which can only be dealt with by the developer (but seemingly never is). At least one district (District 4) is looking in to whether they can enforce the external part of running a business without a change in Florida law. I believe it is still in the talking stages.

vintageogauge 10-13-2024 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by dlsgrafton (Post 2378475)
Why can a resident run a business on our streets? There's a resident on Davenport, near the swimming pool that rents out 'Golfcarts" and has for over a year and nothing is being done. by the Villages Yes, I'm calling this resident and the Villages management out.

What about the Lady up the street that sells Avon, or the grandma that bakes and sells cupcakes, or the fellow across the way that sells furnace filters and so on, and so on, and so on???

bilcon 10-13-2024 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by vintageogauge (Post 2378586)
What about the Lady up the street that sells Avon, or the grandma that bakes and sells cupcakes, or the fellow across the way that sells furnace filters and so on, and so on, and so on???

That's a lot different than renting and fixing golf carts on your property.

Bill14564 10-13-2024 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by dlsgrafton (Post 2378475)
Why can a resident run a business on our streets? There's a resident on Davenport, near the swimming pool that rents out 'Golfcarts" and has for over a year and nothing is being done. by the Villages Yes, I'm calling this resident and the Villages management out.

You can "call them out" on this message board but have you tried calling Community Standards to report it?

There have been articles over the past year or so about a golf cart rental or repair business being run out of a home where the driveway is regularly full of carts. I believe action has been taken against that homeowner. Perhaps similar action can be taken against this one. But first, it must be reported.

justjim 10-13-2024 10:34 AM

Yet you can run an Airbnb business apparently without issue. But no small white cross in your front yard but a political flag is ok. Not a lot of consistency, huh?

Bill14564 10-13-2024 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 2378646)
Yet you can run an Airbnb business apparently without issue. But no small white cross in your front yard but a political flag is ok. Not a lot of consistency, huh?

100% consistent with the deed restrictions you signed at closing.

Big difference between use of the home, a flag, and a lawn ornament. What kind of one-size-fits-all regulation are you looking for?

vintageogauge 10-13-2024 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by bilcon (Post 2378603)
That's a lot different than renting and fixing golf carts on your property.

The OP didn't note that they were doing repairs, only renting and a business is a business, selective enforcement should not be a consideration.

Bill14564 10-13-2024 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by vintageogauge (Post 2378655)
The OP didn't note that they were doing repairs, only renting and a business is a business, selective enforcement should not be a consideration.

What selective enforcement?

As far as the deed restrictions in many of the areas go, a business is NOT a business. My deed restrictions prohibit only maintaining inventory or customer visits. If the carts being rented are sitting in the driveway (likely the case) then that would be prohibited in my neighborhood.

Babufrick 10-13-2024 11:35 AM

According to Florida State Statute Chapter 205 and City Code Chapter 11, the City of Wildwood requires any person operating a business within the city limits of Wildwood to first obtain a City Business Registration. This is in addition to any county or state license requirements.

Should be registered if within city limits. Contact city and county to see if they have license

UpNorth 10-13-2024 11:40 AM

I'd be more concerned about dogs doing business on my lawn....;)

Bill14564 10-13-2024 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Babufrick (Post 2378667)
According to Florida State Statute Chapter 205 and City Code Chapter 11, the City of Wildwood requires any person operating a business within the city limits of Wildwood to first obtain a City Business Registration. This is in addition to any county or state license requirements.

Should be registered if within city limits. Contact city and county to see if they have license

Do you have some reason to believe that a home on Davenport is within the city of Wildwood?

Babufrick 10-13-2024 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2378669)
Do you have some reason to believe that a home on Davenport is within the city of Wildwood?

Response says IF in the city limits. Still subject to County and State laws, if applicable.

justjim 10-13-2024 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by UpNorth (Post 2378668)
I'd be more concerned about dogs doing business on my lawn....;)

My guess is most of us aren’t too concerned about any so called business until it’s next door or across the street from us.

Tom52 10-13-2024 01:39 PM

If the person running the golf car rental business is parking a bunch of golf cars in their driveway there must be a process that gets it shut down. They finally got the guy on Journey in the village of Sanibel to stop it. It only took about 5 years.

TSO/ISPF 10-13-2024 02:01 PM

Find a commercial building to rent if you want to run a business like that.
 
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Originally Posted by Tom52 (Post 2378717)
If the person running the golf car rental business is parking a bunch of golf cars in their driveway there must be a process that gets it shut down. They finally got the guy on Journey in the village of Sanibel to stop it. It only took about 5 years.

Definitely a lack of respect for your neighbors running that kind of business from your home in the villages.

Haggar 10-13-2024 05:18 PM

Are we worried about a business bringing traffic to the neighborhood and/or with product on their driveway or in their garage?

Are we permitted to have a business that draws no traffic to our home - consultants, tech advisors, etc? Or a business that services customers at their home or business?
I have no problem with that.

I frankly don't want to live next door to a business that constantly had vehicles = be they car or golf carts - coming to their home on a regular basis.

asianthree 10-14-2024 05:52 AM

Old neighborhood There was a house with 3 car garage and 6-9 cars parked in driveway sometimes in the road. The renter was running a private car service out of the home. Lease was for 6 months, not renewed because of multiple complaints to the owner.
Some cars were gone 15 plus hours a day, parking on narrow streets was a problem day or night. Washing vacuuming the cars almost daily
Thankfully the owner took care of the problem, stating had no idea a business was running out of the home.

Veracity 10-14-2024 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Haggar (Post 2378779)
Are we permitted to have a business that draws no traffic to our home - consultants, tech advisors, etc?

Who would even know about the existence of this kind of business, let alone care?

guppyvii 10-14-2024 07:43 AM

Just wondering how this affects you.

ron32162 10-14-2024 08:11 AM

Because all of the Villages are zoned short term. and for your second question about working from home also allowed as long as there is no walk in traffic or regular ups type trucks coming in every day. simple rules you can look up. Hope this helps

ron32162 10-14-2024 08:17 AM

For a quick stop to this business if its as busy as you say and money and checks exchanged is just call your local IRS office and tell your story under the whistle blower disguise they will be on it in 1 day.

Indydealmaker 10-14-2024 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by dlsgrafton (Post 2378475)
Why can a resident run a business on our streets? There's a resident on Davenport, near the swimming pool that rents out 'Golfcarts" and has for over a year and nothing is being done. by the Villages Yes, I'm calling this resident and the Villages management out.

Why single out this guy? You have a high dollar business directly across the street from the pool. Those owners market online multiple properties for rent as "lifestylesvisits".

Danube 10-14-2024 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by vintageogauge (Post 2378655)
The OP didn't note that they were doing repairs, only renting and a business is a business, selective enforcement should not be a consideration.

I don't want anyone repairing or storing golf carts on residential property - someone running a retail food operation or palm reading, anything that generates traffic & customer parking.

But what about someone with, say, a medical transcription or remote book keeping service that gets zero customers to the door? Would you have those banned?

Not all businesses are alike.

Bill14564 10-14-2024 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2378962)
Reading comprehension is sooo important. The OP is frustrated by lack of action in that length of time even though he has addressed it with the mucky mucks so he is taking the situation public.

If this is all it takes for someone else to have a "bad day", there is professional help out there.

Where did the OP say he has addressed it with anyone at all? I asked that in post #6 but I don't see that there was any answer.

Aces4 10-14-2024 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2378966)
Where did the OP say he has addressed it with anyone at all? I asked that in post #6 but I don't see that there was any answer.

This is where reading comprehension comes in...

" nothing is being done by the Villages"...indicates the Villages has been notified and no action has been taken.

Does that help?

Bill14564 10-14-2024 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2378968)
This is where reading comprehension comes in...

" nothing is being done by the Villages"...indicates the Villages has been notified and no action has been taken.

Does that help?

Less reading comprehension and more reading into what was written. Nothing in that sentence in any way indicates the OP has notified anyone. "nothing is being done by the Villages" is an observation, and may be an incorrect observation at that.

fdpaq0580 10-14-2024 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Danube (Post 2378959)
I don't want anyone repairing or storing golf carts on residential property - someone running a retail food operation or palm reading, anything that generates traffic & customer parking.

But what about someone with, say, a medical transcription or remote book keeping service that gets zero customers to the door? Would you have those banned?

Not all businesses are alike.

Home office type work? Who would know, or care, as long as zero impact to the neighbors. Authors, artists, can work anywhere and have zero impact on their surroundings.

Mrprez 10-14-2024 10:29 AM

Read your deed restrictions for, everything is spelled out there.

vintageogauge 10-14-2024 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2378661)
What selective enforcement?

As far as the deed restrictions in many of the areas go, a business is NOT a business. My deed restrictions prohibit only maintaining inventory or customer visits. If the carts being rented are sitting in the driveway (likely the case) then that would be prohibited in my neighborhood.

Selective enforcement is enforcing the restrictions on one business because it's found to be in violation but not others that are also in violation. Example, a customer comes to grandma's house to pickup freshly made cupcakes. No different than a customer coming to pickup a rented golf car, or any other business where a customer comes to pickup or deliver items.

Bill14564 10-14-2024 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by vintageogauge (Post 2378988)
Selective enforcement is enforcing the restrictions on one business because it's found to be in violation but not others that are also in violation. Example, a customer comes to grandma's house to pickup freshly made cupcakes. No different than a customer coming to pickup a rented golf car, or any other business where a customer comes to pickup or deliver items.

Great. So where have those restrictions been enforced in some cases but not others? Plus, and this is quite important, what reason do we have to believe that enforcement activities are NOT happening? The situation has been there for a year? Okay but when was it reported (if at all)? And, I think the little white cross enforcement activities have been occurring for more than a year yet the cross is still there.

Sandy and Ed 10-14-2024 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by bilcon (Post 2378603)
That's a lot different than renting and fixing golf carts on your property.

Totally agree!! Having equipment stored on the property or running a repair shop creates an eyesore. This is supposed to be (or at least perceived to be) an over 55 retirement community. I know that is not entirely true and many are still employed but running a business from a home here, other than a professional business that does not require multiple vehicles parked on the street, seems out of step with this community regardless of Florida law.

Sandy and Ed 10-14-2024 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by vintageogauge (Post 2378988)
Selective enforcement is enforcing the restrictions on one business because it's found to be in violation but not others that are also in violation. Example, a customer comes to grandma's house to pickup freshly made cupcakes. No different than a customer coming to pickup a rented golf car, or any other business where a customer comes to pickup or deliver items.

Grandma’s cupcakes are in the kitchen and not visibly parked outside the garage or on the street.
Maybe Grandma doesn’t have a sign outside advertising her business. I’m not going down that rabbit hole …..suffice to say if the community has rules or standards regarding the operation of a business from a home, it should be enforced, especially if a resident reports the violation. In my opinion (probably not a very popular one) I agree with the little old ladies with the note pads reporting violations. Obviously the Villages doesn’t have a monitoring mechanism in place

fdpaq0580 10-14-2024 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2378991)
Great. So where have those restrictions been enforced in some cases but not others? Plus, and this is quite important, what reason do we have to believe that enforcement activities are NOT happening? The situation has been there for a year? Okay but when was it reported (if at all)? And, I think the little white cross enforcement activities have been occurring for more than a year yet the cross is still there.

Don't forget the political flags!

Bill14564 10-14-2024 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2379000)
Don't forget the political flags!

They are forgettable. Nothing in the deed restrictions about flags unless they state that there are no restrictions.

OrangeBlossomBaby 10-14-2024 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by UsuallyLurking (Post 2378561)
Running a business out of the house it typically thought of as an internal deed restriction, which can only be dealt with by the developer (but seemingly never is). At least one district (District 4) is looking in to whether they can enforce the external part of running a business without a change in Florida law. I believe it is still in the talking stages.

Unless those golf carts and the business sign are all physically located ONLY INSIDE the house/garage, "internal deed restrictions" don't even matter. The signs would be against external deed restrictions, and running a business renting machinery and/or vehicles without a permit would be a licensing and zoning issue with the town and/or county. Davenport is zoned exclusively residential and not mixed-use or commercial. So they wouldn't have gotten a permit, and therefore are violating the zoning code.

graciegirl 10-14-2024 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2379035)
Unless those golf carts and the business sign are all physically located ONLY INSIDE the house/garage, "internal deed restrictions" don't even matter. The signs would be against external deed restrictions, and running a business renting machinery and/or vehicles without a permit would be a licensing and zoning issue with the town and/or county. Davenport is zoned exclusively residential and not mixed-use or commercial. So they wouldn't have gotten a permit, and therefore are violating the zoning code.

This very issue was being discussed when I first joined Talk of the Villages about 18-19 years ago. We do have deed restrictions. But some folks have service businesses like a travel agency that isn't readily apparent to anyone. I guess if it is annoying it will be reported. If not it won't.

OrangeBlossomBaby 10-14-2024 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 2379049)
This very issue was being discussed when I first joined Talk of the Villages about 18-19 years ago. We do have deed restrictions. But some folks have service businesses like a travel agency that isn't readily apparent to anyone. I guess if it is annoying it will be reported. If not it won't.

It doesn't matter if you report it or not. Internal deed restrictions are rarely ever enforced, and the Villages LLC (the Developer), who is responsible for enforcement, have intentionally chosen a hands-off approach to internal deed restrictions.

Therefore, the ONLY recourse you have with any measure of success, would be to go after people who are running a business without a permit, or who are violating zoning regulations. You do that through the county and/or town zoning and permit departments.

Babufrick 10-15-2024 06:09 AM

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