Social Security cola statement
 

I was looking at the SSA statement today of my cola increase and my total deductions and benefit amount. I noticed a line item titled "income tax deduction for non-citzens". I was unaware that non-citizens were eligible for social security retirement benefits. Am I mistaken?

Yes. Try googling "ss income tax deductions for non citizens"

I was looking at my statement that applies to people already receiving SS retirement benefits. Is a non-citizen entitled to SS retirement benefits?

If they are legal, they can get Social Security.


https://faq.ssa.gov/en-US/Topic/arti...gration%20page.

As already mentioned…

Permanent residents (green card holders) and other legal immigrants have social security numbers, pay into social security, and are eligible for benefits.

I think the only ones who don't are those who are not eligible to work (e.g. tourist visas and student visas).

SOME non-citizens can receive social security retirement benefits. Not all. There are specific criteria, and the person has to meet ALL of it, to be eligible.

For example - DACA recipients have to pay into Social Security via payroll deductions like everyone else, but they are /not/ eligible to receive Social Security retirement benefits. They have no path to citizenship.

Our German daughter-in-law came over to the US a year and a half ago and married our son. (They've known each other for years.) She applied for and received her right-to-work letter, followed by her green card, after satisfying many requirements and providing proof of others. It took four months. She is employed full time at a pharmacy and pays into SS. Everything was done legally through an immigration attorney. She will renew it for a certain number of times, after which she will be allowed to stay for ten years. At the end of ten years they may have some decisions to make. Apparently US doesn't offer dual citzenship, so she would have to renounce her German citizenship. We're not exactly sure that will be the case.

I don't think that is true.

"Whether you were born an American citizen or became one through naturalization, if you have dual citizenship, you:

+ Owe allegiance to both the U.S. and a foreign country

+ Must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the U.S.

+ Do not have to choose one nationality over the other. As a U.S. citizen, you may naturalize in another country without risking your U.S. citizenship."

How to get dual citizenship or nationality | USAGov

Elon Musk is a triple citizen. His home country of South Africa, the US and Canada. Maybe they don’t offer it for Germans? I have tons of friends who are dual citizens of the US and Canada.

My friend Mr. Google tells me
"Yes, a German can have dual citizenship in America, and the process to do so is becoming easier:
New law
As of June 27, 2024, German nationals can apply for foreign citizenship without losing their German citizenship. This is due to the Act on the Modernization of the Citizenship Law (StARModG), which eliminates the need for a Retention Permit to keep German citizenship."

He probably bought what ever he has or wants…………..

Does it list any of the add on benefits like SSI, disability, welfare any many more that may suck money out of SS? Which was originally a retirement fund only?

They done it Legally, I don’t think Eldon nor the son’s girlfriend snook across the border or use the 1-800 number to jump ahead of legal immigration and border jumpers. But, not worry illegal border jumpers will have to back to Moling under border shorty.

[QUOTE=Bogie Shooter;2395488]He probably bought what ever he has or wants…………..[/QUOTE


I see you’re not impressed or fan of success and legal immigration. :sing:

I don't know if someone who was a foreign citizen first, then becomes an American citizen has to renounce.

I do know if you are a born-in-the-U.S.A. citizen and you qualify for another country's citizenship and become one, you can be a citizen of both countries. I know this firsthand due to my recently acquired Irish citizenship status (and passport).

Thanks for this. Forwarding to our son and DIL.

Welfare is funded through taxes, it is not an entitlement of Social Security at all.
SSI is funded through taxes and is also not an entitlement of Social Security.

SSDI is funded through Social Security, and is available ONLY to people who have paid into it through payroll deductions up until the point that they've been approved to receive SSDI benefits.

That went right over your head why these programs was enacted.

Elon came in on a student visa, which was extended to allow him to enroll in Stanford University after getting a couple of degrees from UPenn and Wharton. But - he chose not to go to Stanford and he was no longer authorized to remain in the USA. He stayed here anyway - illegally. He told shareholders and former business associates that he was here on a student visa - when that student visa was no longer valid.

So yes - he was an unauthorized immigrant for a period of time.

I disagree, actually he is quite successful at challenging industries most have failed to succeed in. He is the adult in the room actually saying we cannot sustain our increasing debt load, yet many think the gravy train will never end. Why are we sending money we don’t have to other countries?

We must have it or we could not send it.

We send it because it is the human thing to do and/or because if we don't then someone else will. The actions we take now will be remembered in the future when we need natural resources or political friends or a place to refuel our planes or even just permission to cross airspace.

Social Security was never a retirement fund. It was an insurance program against outliving one’s savings/retirement. The age was not adjusted upward to reflect the extended lifespan, so it became unsustainable.

We will see how humane it is when chaos is the norm in our Country when inflation hits 1000% and people do what they have to in order not to starve. We are not immune to self destruction and I don’t see any other Countries that will seek to save us.

Do some legitimate research. If they are granted permanent residence because they work for the Department of Homeland Security, they pay US taxes and are entitled to SS.

Germany does not recognize dual citizenship
 

Germany does not recognize dual citizenship, although that might be changing soon. The US recognizes dual citizenship but with certain rules.

If they earn the benefit by paying FICA taxes, or qualify as the insured dependent of a number holder, citizens of any nation, or of no nation can receive Social Security benefits. Their residence in some foreign countries such as North Korea will cause suspension of payments.

Social Security is just an insurance plan the indemnifies against the loss of earned income due to retirement, death, or disability.

Social Security and non- citizens
 

Yes, Social Security will pay retirement benefits to non-citizens. It’s really quite common. 5 years (40 calendar quarters) of work at sufficient income levels and the worker is eligible.

Post #11 and this Germany Visa page say otherwise.

That's what happens when one's parents enter America illegally.

Au contraire. We borrowed it, which is not the same as having it.

I thank God every day that Elon Musk is now a productive, forward-thinking, and influential American citizen. America is blessed to have such a genius living among us.

It comes down to coveting. Coveting is destructive to individuals and entire societies. Wanting what someone else has or resenting what someone else has is so debilitating to an individual's soul and the soul of countries that God made "Do not covet" one of His ten commandments (the 10th) for successful living.

I would add that it is not humane to borrow money to give to others, and force future generations to pay back the loan.

SSA Statement
 

Maybe, you would be further ahead in your quest for information by directing this question to the SSA.
Just a thought.

SS Benefits
 

SSA includes the following three Federal programs: Supplemental Security Income (SSI) is for those who do not have the necessary 40 work quarters to qualify for SS income under SSA. Those under retirement age can apply for SSI if disabled. It is NEED based where SSA benefits are WORK based. SSI enables the claimant to receive Medicaid benefits while those who qualify for SSA qualify for Medicare. Social Security Disability Income (SSDI) is earmarked for those who are disabled according to the Fed. Again, receiving SSDI benefits is work and not need based. As stated above, those disabled without the necessary 40 work quarters can apply for SSI benefits.

Welfare is NOT a Federal program but locally funded.

Regarding your last sentence, USA.GOV says:

"Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) is a federally funded, state-run program. Also known as welfare, TANF helps families financially after experiencing hardship."

It may be state-run, but it is Federally funded.

Ten years is a fairly long time. Lots of things could change by then.

Red Rose
 

This means that we are paying for illegals, right?

That would deny all these experts the chance to display their intelligence.🫢