Rose and Jackson into the Hall of Fame??
 

Baseball commissioner Rob Manfred on Tuesday removed Pete Rose, "Shoeless" Joe Jackson and other deceased players from Major League Baseball's permanently ineligible list.

Rose died in 2024.
Shoeless Joe died in 1951.

So, does this mean that the "permanently ineligible list" is permanently ended? How can anyone ever by put on the list again, if it is not permanent?

Hof
 

Well, I guess this reflects the mood that sports betting ain't no big thing now.

Commissioner Rob Manfred announced that he had "concluded that permanent ineligibility ends upon the passing of the disciplined individual.”

A lot of people sentenced to life in prison have gotten out before they died.

So, the "permanently ineligible list" is now the "ineligible until deceased" list?

Sorry they should have stayed on the ineligible list. Some people will figure they can get away with all kinds of things now.

I guess the Hall of Fame can do whatever they want. But, I can't help but think that, if a player's career is deemed to be not eligible while alive, how does dying change anything?

Soon the NFL will get "DA BEARS" a Super Bowl Participation trophy if they win more then 3 games.

Some of us think the mistake was banning them from the HOF. Does anybody really think that Rose or Jackson should not be in the HOF?

I think that OJ’s conduct was far worse than Rose’s or Jackson’s conduct (betting v murder) but I still think OJ should be in the Football HOF.

Setting aside the facts that Rose had sex with a young girl, was a serial adulterer, pathological liar, degenerate gambler, and raging narcissist, he bet on baseball and used corked bats, so he should never, ever be inducted into the Hall of Fame.

If it was a mistake, then why not just admit it instead of using death as an excuse to make him eligible for the Hall of Fame? What a cop out.

So anyone who committed adultery, lied, bet on their own team, and used corked bats should be banned from the HOF?

Is that doing all of the above? Or just one of them? Your HOF is going to be quite small.

Perhaps the HOF should designate an outdoor area for people whose numbers are impressive, but were tainted by their lack of conformity to their professional conduct, rules of the game, etc.

Pete Rose was one of the most despicable people who ever played Major League Baseball. He should be elected to the Hall of Shame.

Baseball HOF is based on on-field statistics and prowess, not cheating.

They should be in and will be in.

Waiting until Rose died at least gives MLB HOF the satisfaction of him being unable to celebrate.

There should be no list of banned players. Let the voters (Baseball writers) considered all the facts when they vote.

But if they earned those stats by cheating?

Major League Baseball has become a joke. Ghost runner in extra innings, starters only going 5 innings, then blowing through the bull pens pitchers. I think there have only been four complete pitching games this season. Very few fans in the stands at most games. Now the gambler, Rose, being eligible -- SAD!

Rose will have a tough time getting the necessary 12 out of 16 votes from the Classic Era Committee, which only votes every 3 years. Two of the personal attributes considered by committee members are integrity and character. It's not simply reduced to on-field accomplishments.

Dead I guess.

I watch banana ball much more entertaining. :highfive:

By cheating do you mean illegal drugs to make them stronger?

Living Legends
 

It boils down to living legends can cash in on the prestige of placement into the Baseball Hall of Fame. Those that have passed on can’t.

If TOTV members voted, what would you do?

My vote

Rose - yes
Jackson - yes

They do not belong. Betting and fixing games should be grounds for lifetime banning.

That lifetime ban expired when they died.

My error change lifetime to permanent banning. Not to mention character does count or at least it should

So would you expel OJ?

The Pete Rose ban was a "permanent" ban, not a lifetime ban.

If it was a lifetime ban, the commissioner didn't need to do anything.

Fact or S.W.A.G?

Since he was found not guilty, I would very reluctantly say keep him in.

I would vote them into the Hall of Fame. Maybe not heaven but what they did on the field merits their inclusion.

If you start bringing moral character then you can probably kick out quite a few players like Ty Cobb and Babe Ruth.

Rose
 

The veterans committee should get these deserving players into the Hall of Fame this summer at induction time.

OJ was found not guilty in the criminal trial where the burden of proof was beyond a reasonable doubt.

He was found liable in the civil trial where the burden was by a preponderance of the evidence.

MLB has been unremarkable for years. And its base is now older fans, and then the youth fans that bet on their phones. Younger fans only see the history of two guys who were liked but broke the rules. Like other sports, they have slowly but surely driven out families to get the golden goose of corporate seats. Short version, no one cares about this issue. And those that do either think it was heartless to wait until they're dead, or capitulating to the bettors.

Agree
 

I agree. Baseball isn’t what it used to be. When I was young we would walk to the ball fields and watch the games. We played 500 in the front yard and collected baseball cards. We knew who won the World Series. Football was around, but wasn’t what baseball was in popularity. Baseball just isn’t there anymore. We are the last of a generation.