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CoachKandSportsguy 05-21-2025 08:14 AM

United Healthcare should burn in Hell
 
reuters.com

Evil company

retiredguy123 05-21-2025 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2432976)
reuters.com

Evil company

I'm marking you down as "undecided" on United Healthcare.

gatorbill1 05-21-2025 08:36 AM

Best healthcare plan I have ever had!

Aces4 05-21-2025 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2432976)
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Evil company

Some one appears to have an agenda... Here are further facts:

UnitedHealth said in response that "the U.S. Department of Justice investigated these allegations, interviewed witnesses, and obtained thousands of documents that demonstrated the significant factual inaccuracies in the allegations."
The company also said in an emailed statement that the DoJ declined to pursue the matter after reviewing all the evidence during its multi-year investigation.

Going out to play may help if people have a fixation.

rustyp 05-21-2025 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2432976)
reuters.com

Evil company

Upon reading the article you posted there appears to be two bad actors.

Velvet 05-21-2025 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2432985)
I'm marking you down as "undecided" on United Healthcare.

Reminds me of our dean. She took a vote including all the students in the department, but when she did not like the result she cast her own vote, which represented according to her “the interests of all the future students to come” and she miraculously got the results she wanted.

CoachKandSportsguy 05-21-2025 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2432992)
Some one appears to have an agenda... Here are further facts:

UnitedHealth said in response that "the U.S. Department of Justice investigated these allegations, interviewed witnesses, and obtained thousands of documents that demonstrated the significant factual inaccuracies in the allegations."
The company also said in an emailed statement that the DoJ declined to pursue the matter after reviewing all the evidence during its multi-year investigation.

Going out to play may help if people have a fixation.

We shall see, the DOJ has dropped many cases recently which seem like a slam dunk against grifting behaviors, due to changes in administration beliefs and goals. . . so what had been dropped in the past may be reopened under different administration viewpoints. .

doesn't mean that the behaviors didn't happen. Just means that for some reason unknown at this time, that the DOJ declined to pursue prosecution.

CMS rates hospitals for readmissions for a prior procedure, rates nursing homes, skilled care facilities, for management of their population, ie sending residents out to hospitals unnecessarily, and rates insurance companies supervising their patients with case management. Insurance case managers keeping nursing / skilled care facility from sending back their patients would help with insurance reviews and therefore insurance reimbursement rates.

"follow the money" applies in this case. . . not statements defending allegations with facts subject to conditional outcomes. . .

JohnN 05-21-2025 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by gatorbill1 (Post 2432990)
Best healthcare plan I have ever had!

I have had some serious health issues over the last 20 years and UHC has always stepped up and covered their share.

Debfrommaine 05-21-2025 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by gatorbill1 (Post 2432990)
Best healthcare plan I have ever had!

Same here!

Aces4 05-21-2025 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnN (Post 2433076)
I have had some serious health issues over the last 20 years and UHC has always stepped up and covered their share.

Same here!

MorTech 05-21-2025 10:05 PM

ObamaCare should burn in Hell...Fixed it for ya.

mtdjed 05-21-2025 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2432976)
reuters.com

Evil company

United Health Care problems not an issue with Supplement Plans. Medicare makes decisions, supplement plan rules determine payment. Only issue is price from different providers. That is your decision.

jimbomaybe 05-22-2025 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2433013)
Reminds me of our dean. She took a vote including all the students in the department, but when she did not like the result she cast her own vote, which represented according to her “the interests of all the future students to come” and she miraculously got the results she wanted.

The kind of thinking that would make "Uncle JOE" proud

Rwirish 05-22-2025 05:25 AM

Has been a great copy for my medical needs.

maggie1 05-22-2025 06:24 AM

"Uncle Joe"?
 
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Originally Posted by jimbomaybe (Post 2433118)
The kind of thinking that would make "Uncle JOE" proud

Geez, leave the poor guy alone. He's out of office, has prostate cancer, and his memory is shot.

Cuervo 05-22-2025 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by maggie1 (Post 2433151)
Geez, leave the poor guy alone. He's out of office, has prostate cancer, and his memory is shot.

I'm happy with United Healthcare they have always taken care of my needs.
But at the end of the day all these healthcare plans are profit making companies, that is their main goal.
If you live or die is not their main concern.
The alternative is universal healthcare, which also seems to have issues.
Maybe the answer is to form a panel to study a way to deliver a profit free care system that is also problem free.

Aviator1211 05-22-2025 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Cuervo (Post 2433155)
I'm happy with United Healthcare they have always taken care of my needs.
But at the end of the day all these healthcare plans are profit making companies, that is their main goal.
If you live or die is not their main concern.
The alternative is universal healthcare, which also seems to have issues.
Maybe the answer is to form a panel to study a way to deliver a profit free care system that is also problem free.

The free market is the answer. There is no car insurance crisis. Why? Because the beneficiary pays the premiums in a free market. If the government and employers paid for our groceries, we would have a similar food crisis. Get them out of the picture and let Amazon, or Tesla, or such get involved. Healthcare would become inexpensive and convenient.

Kathryn Putt 05-22-2025 07:27 AM

United is the best Healthcare plan we've had!!

Pugchief 05-22-2025 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Aviator1211 (Post 2433167)
The free market is the answer. There is no car insurance crisis. Why? Because the beneficiary pays the premiums in a free market. If the government and employers paid for our groceries, we would have a similar food crisis. Get them out of the picture and let Amazon, or Tesla, or such get involved. Healthcare would become inexpensive and convenient.

^This. 100%

Tvflguy 05-22-2025 07:41 AM

This explosive rhetoric has an effect on crazy types out there. Better be very careful....


"Wikipedia":

Brian Robert Thompson[4][5] (July 10, 1974 – December 4, 2024), the CEO of the American health insurance company UnitedHealthcare, was shot and killed in Midtown Manhattan, New York City, on December 4, 2024. The shooting occurred early in the morning outside an entrance to the New York Hilton Midtown.[6] The suspect, initially described as a white man wearing a mask, fled the scene.[1] The words "delay," "deny," and "depose" were inscribed on the cartridge cases used during the shooting. Thompson had previously faced criticism for the company's rejection of insurance claims, and his family reported that he had received death threats.

On December 9, 2024, authorities arrested 26-year-old Luigi Mangione in Altoona, Pennsylvania, and charged him in a Manhattan court with Thompson's killing.[7][8][9] Authorities say that when Mangione was apprehended, he was carrying a 3D-printed pistol and a 3D-printed suppressor consistent with those used in the attack; a short handwritten letter criticizing the American healthcare system; an American passport; and multiple fraudulent IDs, including one with the same name used to check into a hostel on the Upper West Side of Manhattan.[10][11][12] Authorities also said his fingerprints matched the partial smudged prints that investigators found near the New York shooting scene.[13] Police believe that he was inspired by "Unabomber" Ted Kaczynski's manifesto Industrial Society and Its Future (1995) and motivated by his own personal views on US health insurance.[14][15]

Aces4 05-22-2025 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Aviator1211 (Post 2433167)
The free market is the answer. There is no car insurance crisis. Why? Because the beneficiary pays the premiums in a free market. If the government and employers paid for our groceries, we would have a similar food crisis. Get them out of the picture and let Amazon, or Tesla, or such get involved. Healthcare would become inexpensive and convenient.

You're kidding, right? You want the stock market, which has to crank out a big profit constantly to pay it's something for nothing stockholders, to provide your healthcare coverage? What are some people thinking? Talk about a diminishing level of care and services with high, high premiums...

Cuervo 05-22-2025 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Aviator1211 (Post 2433167)
The free market is the answer. There is no car insurance crisis. Why? Because the beneficiary pays the premiums in a free market. If the government and employers paid for our groceries, we would have a similar food crisis. Get them out of the picture and let Amazon, or Tesla, or such get involved. Healthcare would become inexpensive and convenient.

You do understand that is what we have now.
Maybe it's not run by Tesla or Amazon and maybe these two companies might run more efficient, which is questionable.
But like all free-market health plans they are in this for profit not your health.
And if you are a stockholder in one of these companies you want to see your dividend climb and the way that happens is to dispense the least number of services as possible.

Cuervo 05-22-2025 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Aviator1211 (Post 2433167)
The free market is the answer. There is no car insurance crisis. Why? Because the beneficiary pays the premiums in a free market. If the government and employers paid for our groceries, we would have a similar food crisis. Get them out of the picture and let Amazon, or Tesla, or such get involved. Healthcare would become inexpensive and convenient.

My brother-in-law is a veteran, I am also I have chosen to use United Health Care, he on the other hand decided to use the VA for a large portion of his medical care and he claims they're excellent. Now I do not believe he would lie to me. So, if he is correct, make improvements to the VA and see if they can design a similar program for the general public.

Topspinmo 05-22-2025 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2433030)
We shall see, the DOJ has dropped many cases recently which seem like a slam dunk against grifting behaviors, due to changes in administration beliefs and goals. . . so what had been dropped in the past may be reopened under different administration viewpoints. .

doesn't mean that the behaviors didn't happen. Just means that for some reason unknown at this time, that the DOJ declined to pursue prosecution.

CMS rates hospitals for readmissions for a prior procedure, rates nursing homes, skilled care facilities, for management of their population, ie sending residents out to hospitals unnecessarily, and rates insurance companies supervising their patients with case management. Insurance case managers keeping nursing / skilled care facility from sending back their patients would help with insurance reviews and therefore insurance reimbursement rates.

"follow the money" applies in this case. . . not statements defending allegations with facts subject to conditional outcomes. . .

IMO We know how large billion dollar corporations get out of investigations don’t we. Any insurance/supplements are shell game. How else do you think management makes millions year.

Topspinmo 05-22-2025 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Tvflguy (Post 2433184)
This explosive rhetoric has an effect on crazy types out there. Better be very careful....


"Wikipedia":

Brian Robert Thompson[4][5] (July 10, 1974 – December 4, 2024), the CEO of the American health insurance company UnitedHealthcare, was shot and killed in Midtown Manhattan, New York City, on December 4, 2024. The shooting occurred early in the morning outside an entrance to the New York Hilton Midtown.[6] The suspect, initially described as a white man wearing a mask, fled the scene.[1] The words "delay," "deny," and "depose" were inscribed on the cartridge cases used during the shooting. Thompson had previously faced criticism for the company's rejection of insurance claims, and his family reported that he had received death threats.

On December 9, 2024, authorities arrested 26-year-old Luigi Mangione in Altoona, Pennsylvania, and charged him in a Manhattan court with Thompson's killing.[7][8][9] Authorities say that when Mangione was apprehended, he was carrying a 3D-printed pistol and a 3D-printed suppressor consistent with those used in the attack; a short handwritten letter criticizing the American healthcare system; an American passport; and multiple fraudulent IDs, including one with the same name used to check into a hostel on the Upper West Side of Manhattan.[10][11][12] Authorities also said his fingerprints matched the partial smudged prints that investigators found near the New York shooting scene.[13] Police believe that he was inspired by "Unabomber" Ted Kaczynski's manifesto Industrial Society and Its Future (1995) and motivated by his own personal views on US health insurance.[14][15]


IMO his problem was silver spoon and over educated? had too much time on his hands (probably a career student, and now has to face reality by thinking on getting job?) cause he didn’t have to have real job and responsibilities being too busy to set around all day reading nonsense.

fishon 05-22-2025 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by maggie1 (Post 2433151)
Geez, leave the poor guy alone. He's out of office, has prostate cancer, and his memory is shot.

Criminals deserve to be punished.

jimjamuser 05-22-2025 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cuervo (Post 2433212)
My brother-in-law is a veteran, I am also I have chosen to use United Health Care, he on the other hand decided to use the VA for a large portion of his medical care and he claims they're excellent. Now I do not believe he would lie to me. So, if he is correct, make improvements to the VA and see if they can design a similar program for the general public.

I would give our local V.A. high marks. They can keep medicine costs down because of the ability to buy in volume.

Pugchief 05-22-2025 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2433191)
You're kidding, right? You want the stock market, which has to crank out a big profit constantly to pay it's something for nothing stockholders, to provide your healthcare coverage? What are some people thinking? Talk about a diminishing level of care and services with high, high premiums...

Better than the alternative, where unelected bureaucrats make all the decisions. I have no issue with companies being profitable as long as it is done in a proper manner.

Pugchief 05-22-2025 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cuervo (Post 2433204)
You do understand that is what we have now.

Not really. The outrageous amount of government regulation in healthcare has created a de facto public/private partnership that benefits almost no one.

But it's still better than fully government-run healthcare where services are rationed. Yes, that's how it works in Canada and the UK.

tophcfa 05-22-2025 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Aviator1211 (Post 2433167)
The free market is the answer. There is no car insurance crisis. Why? Because the beneficiary pays the premiums in a free market. If the government and employers paid for our groceries, we would have a similar food crisis. Get them out of the picture and let Amazon, or Tesla, or such get involved. Healthcare would become inexpensive and convenient.

Are you serious? How could anyone use Tesla as the poster child of a well run organization?

Pugchief 05-22-2025 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2433300)
How could anyone use Tesla as the poster child of a well run organization?

Please elaborate on why you think Tesla is poorly run. Complete nonsense.

mbene 05-22-2025 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2433289)
Not really. The outrageous amount of government regulation in healthcare has created a de facto public/private partnership that benefits almost no one.

But it's still better than fully government-run healthcare where services are rationed. Yes, that's how it works in Canada and the UK.

You mean countries with higher life expectancies than the US?

golfing eagles 05-22-2025 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mbene (Post 2433313)
You mean countries with higher life expectancies than the US?

He/she probably does

Oh, wait, those countries with a so-called longer life expectancy only have it because they don't count infant mortality the same way we do. I wish I could get the raw numbers to calculate it on an apples-to-apples level playing field, but since they don't count anything before 34-week deliveries, that data doesn't exist. And since most of the data comes from the World Health Organization, it is about as reliable as a used car salesman's promises.

mbene 05-22-2025 05:06 PM

Lots of countries with socialized medicine have better life expectancy and lower infant mortality rates

Infant mortality rate Comparison - The World Factbook

retiredguy123 05-22-2025 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2433317)
He/she probably does

Oh, wait, those countries with a so-called longer life expectancy only have it because they don't count infant mortality the same way we do. I wish I could get the raw numbers to calculate it on an apples-to-apples level playing field, but since they don't count anything before 34-week deliveries, that data doesn't exist. And since most of the data comes from the World Health Organization, it is about as reliable as a used car salesman's promises.

I have often wondered, when China (and other countries) claim that their school students are better at math than U.S. students, are they using a random cross-section of the entire country, or just their best students, who actually go to school?

CoachKandSportsguy 05-22-2025 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2433311)
Please elaborate on why you think Tesla is poorly run. Complete nonsense.

financials have many falsehoods, except the audited version, and even then not to be trusted based upon how the company and the auditors have negotiated their deal

the CEO has made many promises and most if not all have not been met.

pushing out goals each year for 10 years is not a well run organization

requiring NDA from customers in return for settlements is just bs.

NTSB data supplied is manipulated.

senior management longevity is fairly short, with high turnover, most in it for the large options grants

The stock is highly manipulated using options exploiting market maker delta hedging programs

The company produces a car which is known unsafe. . has a very poor safety rating.

there is so much public information available on the discrepancies and the sliminess of the company. . .

tophcfa 05-22-2025 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2433329)
financials have many falsehoods, except the audited version, and even then not to be trusted based upon how the company and the auditors have negotiated their deal

the CEO has made many promises and most if not all have not been met.

pushing out goals each year for 10 years is not a well run organization

requiring NDA from customers in return for settlements is just bs.

NTSB data supplied is manipulated.

senior management longevity is fairly short, with high turnover, most in it for the large options grants

The stock is highly manipulated using options exploiting market maker delta hedging programs

The company produces a car which is known unsafe. . has a very poor safety rating.

there is so much public information available on the discrepancies and the sliminess of the company. . .

Exactly, and so much more. Just follow the history of the disaster that is the Cybertruck for a prime example. The Muskrat is a walking train wreck, and I’m not talking about what he’s done recently. That being said, there is no argument that he is great at making money (at the expense of taxpayers and by ripping off consumers).

justjim 05-22-2025 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2433289)
Not really. The outrageous amount of government regulation in healthcare has created a de facto public/private partnership that benefits almost no one.

But it's still better than fully government-run healthcare where services are rationed. Yes, that's how it works in Canada and the UK.

Have you ever talked with a Canadian and ask how he/she liked their healthcare? I have and they like it.

kkingston57 05-22-2025 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2433329)
financials have many falsehoods, except the audited version, and even then not to be trusted based upon how the company and the auditors have negotiated their deal

the CEO has made many promises and most if not all have not been met.

pushing out goals each year for 10 years is not a well run organization

requiring NDA from customers in return for settlements is just bs.

NTSB data supplied is manipulated.

senior management longevity is fairly short, with high turnover, most in it for the large options grants

The stock is highly manipulated using options exploiting market maker delta hedging programs

The company produces a car which is known unsafe. . has a very poor safety rating.

there is so much public information available on the discrepancies and the sliminess of the company. . .

Forgot Elon and politics. He did a great job of p...ing off his base clientel.

eyc234 05-22-2025 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Aviator1211 (Post 2433167)
The free market is the answer. There is no car insurance crisis. Why? Because the beneficiary pays the premiums in a free market. If the government and employers paid for our groceries, we would have a similar food crisis. Get them out of the picture and let Amazon, or Tesla, or such get involved. Healthcare would become inexpensive and convenient.

So how is that working with Home insurance!!!!


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