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alemorkam 02-06-2011 09:44 AM
Must read. Orlando Sentinal. Page J 1 Cancer benefit thrown for a loss by Villages.
 
I know there are two sides to every story. But this is kinda disturbing. It seems that the Relay for Life in the Villages, (which was #2 in the state) has been cancelled because the morse family demands 50% of the proceeds for the new Moffitt Center in the Villages. It is the Sunday 6 February 2011 edition.

ajakk 02-06-2011 09:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by alemorkam (Post 328682)
I know there are two sides to every story. But this is kinda disturbing. It seems that the Relay for Life in the Villages, (which was #2 in the state) has been cancelled because the morse family demands 50% of the proceeds for the new Moffitt Center in the Villages. It is the Sunday 6 February 2011 edition.
Here's the link:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...4248287.column

784caroline 02-06-2011 10:24 AM
Some people may have had a problem understanding or following the issues raised with The Villages asking its residents to donate money to fund equipment for the new Moffit Center....BUT what The Villages is doing ( or not doing) for "The Relay For Life" fundraiser for the American Cancer Society is just "amazing". One thing for certain people can and will understand this.

Next thing we wil hear from the VIllages is that its a liability issue to have so many people on village property for a fund raising event.

nitakk 02-06-2011 10:38 AM
If you want to let Moffitt in Tampa know how disgusted you are with their non-stance on this issue, e-mail their Public Info officer and let her know. Michelle Foley can be reached at michelle.foley@moffitt.org. The more people of conscience who speak up, the better!

blondie56 02-06-2011 10:56 AM
I personally commend the vollunteers for the Relay for Life for continuing with their plans this year and not buckling under from some "pressure" plan of the "powers to be" illegal as they may be. Possibly the Moffit Cancer Center may talk some sense into them!:boxing2:

chuckinca 02-06-2011 11:06 AM
Looks like more of the same slanted journalism from the Orlando Sentinel and Lauren Ritchie.

The real story will be soon be in the Daily Sun - maybe on page 25 or so.


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StarbuckSammy 02-06-2011 11:14 AM
Another excellent article by Lauren Ritchie. I am disturbed about the developers demands for 50% of the "action"....for the new Moffit Center. This does not pass the smell test. The Morse family has done so many wonderful things for our community and may have a good answer for this behavior. I hope so.

alemorkam 02-06-2011 11:19 AM
I hope so also. The relay for life in the villages had risen to the second largest in the state. What a shame if this is true.:cry:

Whalen 02-06-2011 11:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by alemorkam (Post 328728)
I hope so also. The relay for life in the villages had risen to the second largest in the state. What a shame if this is true.:cry:
It's true.

JohnN 02-06-2011 11:33 AM
chuckinca, I'm often skeptical of Lauren Ritchie and sensational journalism, but if the event is indeed moved, seems a logical reason.

I've concluded whether it's the Morses and TV, or Lauren Ritchie and the Sentinel, the end result is that it's all about the $$$$$$$$$$.
Sadly.

I've a cancer survivor and my regards to the volunteers who do so much.

ajakk 02-06-2011 12:12 PM
Follow the Money
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by blondie56 (Post 328713)
Possibly the Moffit Cancer Center may talk some sense into them!:boxing2:
I have emailed Michelle Foley the Public Relations Officer for the Moffitt Cancer in Tampa. She refuses to comment on the Moffitt affiliate in The Villages. If anyone else would like to try her Email address is michelle.foley@moffitt.org.

nkrifats 02-06-2011 01:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ajakk (Post 328744)
I have emailed Michelle Foley the Public Relations Officer for the Moffitt Cancer in Tampa. She refuses to comment on the Moffitt affiliate in The Villages. If anyone else would like to try her Email address is michelle.foley@moffitt.org.
5 years cancer free and a Relay life walker. I will vote with my feet and make a choice not to donate to Moffitt. Just my choice.

bimmertl 02-06-2011 01:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckinca (Post 328717)
Looks like more of the same slanted journalism from the Orlando Sentinel and Lauren Ritchie.

The real story will be soon be in the Daily Sun - maybe on page 25 or so.


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The real story was in secret code in Saturdays front page, where 2/3 of the entire front page was devoted to the major headline of the day, the new Dunkin Donut store in Spanish Springs.

784caroline 02-06-2011 06:21 PM
Like I said earlier , The People in The VIllages will understand the recent article in the Orlando paper. There may be some misunderstanding about donations in support of the equipement needed for the Villages Moffit Center but people do understand this Relay for Life issue.

This is not good PR for the Morses, The Villages or the Moffit Center. I also wrote to the Moffit Center alerting them how their name was being dragged down and through the mud over this recent incident. Suggest you all do the same!!

silvertoken 02-06-2011 07:36 PM
Egypt anyone?:bowdown:

Pturner 02-06-2011 08:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ajakk (Post 328744)
I have emailed Michelle Foley the Public Relations Officer for the Moffitt Cancer in Tampa. She refuses to comment on the Moffitt affiliate in The Villages. If anyone else would like to try her Email address is michelle.foley@moffitt.org.
I have written to ask her if the information is accurate. How do you know she refuses to comment? Did she respond to this effect?

barb1191 02-06-2011 09:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ajakk (Post 328744)
I have emailed Michelle Foley the Public Relations Officer for the Moffitt Cancer in Tampa. She refuses to comment on the Moffitt affiliate in The Villages. If anyone else would like to try her Email address is michelle.foley@moffitt.org.
I did too; just now. Figure it's worth a try.

Advogado 02-07-2011 08:48 AM
Follow-up Question for the Moffitt Center
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 784caroline (Post 328870)
Like I said earlier , The People in The VIllages will understand the recent article in the Orlando paper. There may be some misunderstanding about donations in support of the equipement needed for the Villages Moffit Center but people do understand this Relay for Life issue.

This is not good PR for the Morses, The Villages or the Moffit Center. I also wrote to the Moffit Center alerting them how their name was being dragged down and through the mud over this recent incident. Suggest you all do the same!!
If you ever get a reply, a good follow-up question would be: Would you please disclose the details of all contracts, arrangements, or other understandings between Moffitt and any member of the Morse family, or any corporation, limited liability company, partnership, or other entity controlled by the Morse family or any member thereof? Please specifically include any contract, arrangement, or other understanding that could financially benefit any of the foregoing because of fund-raising efforts on behalf of Moffitt.

One has to be, or should be, a little cynical about what appears to have gone on, and appears to continue to go on, with respect to the fund-raising drive.

Whalen 02-07-2011 10:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Advogado (Post 328995)
If you ever get a reply, a good follow-up question would be: Would you please disclose the details of all contracts, arrangements, or other understandings between Moffitt and any member of the Morse family, or any corporation, limited liability company, partnership, or other entity controlled by the Morse family or any member thereof? Please specifically include any contract, arrangement, or other understanding that could financially benefit any of the foregoing because of fund-raising efforts on behalf of Moffitt.

One has to be, or should be, a little cynical about what appears to have gone on, and appears to continue to go on, with respect to the fund-raising drive.
Known corporate affiliations. Click on a circle, it's interactive.

http://www.corporationwiki.com/graph...px?id=14993004

alemorkam 02-07-2011 10:28 AM
that is amazing
 
Clinking on the link above is so interesting. then clicking on a name or business gives so much information. Very very interesting. Thanks Whalen

redwitch 02-07-2011 12:06 PM
I'd done some research about Morse holdings, but this gives some I hadn't even thought to consider such as the LLCs for the water and power. I truly don't mind that they have their fingers in so many pies -- they run most of them quite well. I do dislike the greed in the running some of their businesses.

Larry Wilson 02-07-2011 01:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Whalen (Post 329025)
Known corporate affiliations. Click on a circle, it's interactive.

http://www.corporationwiki.com/graph...px?id=14993004
Wow! Whalen, this is a great site. Thanks for posting. :024:

graciegirl 02-07-2011 02:04 PM
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Advogado 02-07-2011 02:14 PM
Morse-family Maze
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Whalen (Post 329025)
Known corporate affiliations. Click on a circle, it's interactive.

http://www.corporationwiki.com/graph...px?id=14993004
Thanks for the information. That chart is really interesting. Do you know who prepared it, when, and why? Is it is accurate, complete, and up-to-date?

rubicon 02-07-2011 03:03 PM
50% or Out
 
I noted that one post made reference to the real story to soon be found in the Daily Sun around page 25. Perhaps such reaction is good to remind us all not to jump to conclusions and pre-judge. On the other hand, I do not know of another venue in or around The Villages, other than the Orlando Sentinel/Lauren Ritchie, including the VHA or the POA that has the courage to honestly detail many of the busines dealings taking place in TV.

The problem as I see it is that some people here simply refuse to be faced with news that might affect their view of TV. I refer to this as disney dust clouding their vision. TV is no different than any other place and politics will always play a part in our lives. We can either embrace the truth and have it worked for us or ignore it and have it work against us. Thankfully that choice is still ours . I made mine long ago when I first moved here and Lauren Ritchie speaks the truth. I hold no credence in any media venue or Homeowner Association in TV and little based on past dealings with TV government.

Whalen 02-07-2011 03:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 329104)
I have seen this site before and you can see that the Morse family holdings are not a small entity. That in itself is not bad, in fact I think it is reassuring.
I don't think ever again will this happen, a single builder building a town of this size and doing it so well.

Does anyone remember Levittown? My sister in law lived there for a time, but I don't know much about it. I know it was the source of the song about "Houses made out of Ticky Tacky", or at least I THINK it was.
Levittown? :shrug:

Bogie Shooter 02-07-2011 03:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Whalen (Post 329121)
Levittown? :shrug:
Read more here:
http://tigger.uic.edu/~pbhales/Levittown.html

Whalen 02-07-2011 03:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 329123)
Thanks, I know about Levittown.
I was wondering what it had to do with this thread.

graciegirl 02-07-2011 04:01 PM
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ajakk 02-07-2011 06:24 PM
Follow the Money
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pturner (Post 328885)
I have written to ask her if the information is accurate. How do you know she refuses to comment? Did she respond to this effect?
I have emailed Michelle Foley 4 times about the fund raising here. I received two reply's the first said my questions would be referred to someone in TV who could answer them. I never received any answers from anyone connected with the fundraiser. The second was the press release everyone received who emailed Foley.
In other words she has not answered any questions I have asked.

Advogado 02-07-2011 09:18 PM
Follow-up Question to Moffitt
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ajakk (Post 329190)
I have emailed Michelle Foley 4 times about the fund raising here. I received two reply's the first said my questions would be referred to someone in TV who could answer them. I never received any answers from anyone connected with the fundraiser. The second was the press release everyone received who emailed Foley.
In other words she has not answered any questions I have asked.
This evening, I sent Ms. Foley the following e-mail. As indicated therein, I will post her reply here.

"Other residents of The Villages and I have become concerned about some of the fund-raising actions alleged by the Orlando Sentinel to have been undertaken on behalf of your organization by the developer of The Villages. Would you be good enough to help allay these concerns by answering the following question:

Would you please disclose the details of all contracts, arrangements, or other understandings between Moffitt and any member of the Morse family, or any corporation, limited liability company, partnership, or other entity controlled by the Morse family or any member thereof? Please specifically include any contract, arrangement, or other understanding that could financially benefit any of the foregoing because of fund-raising efforts on behalf of Moffitt or because of Moffitt's establishing a presence in The Villages.

To assist you in putting this matter to rest, I will be glad to forward your
response to the Property Owners' Association for publication in its Bulletin and
will post your response on the TalkofTheVillages website.

Thank you for your anticipated response."

Larry Wilson 02-07-2011 09:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Advogado (Post 329228)
This evening, I sent Ms. Foley the following e-mail. As indicated therein, I will post her reply here.

"Other residents of The Villages and I have become concerned about some of the fund-raising actions alleged by the Orlando Sentinel to have been undertaken on behalf of your organization by the developer of The Villages. Would you be good enough to help allay these concerns by answering the following question:

Would you please disclose the details of all contracts, arrangements, or other understandings between Moffitt and any member of the Morse family, or any corporation, limited liability company, partnership, or other entity controlled by the Morse family or any member thereof? Please specifically include any contract, arrangement, or other understanding that could financially benefit any of the foregoing because of fund-raising efforts on behalf of Moffitt or because of Moffitt's establishing a presence in The Villages.


To assist you in putting this matter to rest, I will be glad to forward your
response to the Property Owners' Association for publication in its Bulletin and
will post your response on the TalkofTheVillages website.

Thank you for your anticipated response."
:BigApplause: Cudos to you for taking the time to write the e-mail. I would be amiss if I didn't include all who wrote in an effort to find the truth.

Whalen 02-08-2011 12:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry Wilson (Post 329234)
:BigApplause: Cudos to you for taking the time to write the e-mail. I would be amiss if I didn't include all who wrote in an effort to find the truth.

In my best Jack Nicholson ...

"Truth, you want the truth, you can't handle the truth".

Just kidding.

Advogado 02-08-2011 07:51 PM
Moffitt Response to Follow-up Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Advogado (Post 329228)
This evening, I sent Ms. Foley the following e-mail. As indicated therein, I will post her reply here.

"Other residents of The Villages and I have become concerned about some of the fund-raising actions alleged by the Orlando Sentinel to have been undertaken on behalf of your organization by the developer of The Villages. Would you be good enough to help allay these concerns by answering the following question:

Would you please disclose the details of all contracts, arrangements, or other understandings between Moffitt and any member of the Morse family, or any corporation, limited liability company, partnership, or other entity controlled by the Morse family or any member thereof? Please specifically include any contract, arrangement, or other understanding that could financially benefit any of the foregoing because of fund-raising efforts on behalf of Moffitt or because of Moffitt's establishing a presence in The Villages.

To assist you in putting this matter to rest, I will be glad to forward your
response to the Property Owners' Association for publication in its Bulletin and
will post your response on the TalkofTheVillages website.

Thank you for your anticipated response."
Here is the Moffitt response:

"Thanks for your e-mail.

Our contract with CFHA is not a matter of public record as it is information relating to a private contractual agreement. However, if there is information you are requesting that is not confidential we would be happy to share it with you if you would like to provide some specific questions.

Thanks,

Michelle"

barb1191 02-08-2011 08:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Advogado (Post 329457)
Here is the Moffitt response:

"Thanks for your e-mail.

Our contract with CFHA is not a matter of public record as it is information relating to a private contractual agreement. However, if there is information you are requesting that is not confidential we would be happy to share it with you if you would like to provide some specific questions.

Thanks,

Michelle"
...."a private contractual agreement." Since when is it a private contractual agreement when the public is asked/demanded to donate big bucks???? Sure sounds like the public should be well informed about this contractual agreement.

Maybe these donations already given to the developer's organization (is it really certifiably an organization? I couldn't find anything about it in searching the web) should incorporate to become a third party in this "contractual agreement." Why not? Monies donated blindly where people were so misled should know what the "deal" is with their money and have some say in negotiations.

redwitch 02-08-2011 08:21 PM
This is not meant to be a negative comment, but it is the response I expected. The request really was asking for confidential information. Maybe we could all brainstorm to see what information we truly want and what questions we think we can get answers to. I'd say that once we have some reasonable questions, it would be time to email Moffitt again and see what is said.

Some of my questions are:

1) What will Moffitt-TV offer that Leesburg-TV doesn't offer, if anything (this one should definitely be answerable).

2) How are Moffitt Centers usually funded -- all donations, public funding, equipment purchased by Moffitt or one of its subsidiaries or a combination?

Pturner 02-08-2011 10:44 PM
I agree that it was a request for legitimately confidential information. To add to Red's suggested questions, I would add:

Since Moffitt will not own the equipment, what direct benefit will Moffitt derive from fund raising effort?

ajakk 02-09-2011 12:42 PM
Follow the Money
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pturner (Post 329487)
I agree that it was a request for legitimately confidential information. To add to Red's suggested questions, I would add:

Since Moffitt will not own the equipment, what direct benefit will Moffitt derive from fund raising effort?
I emailed Michelle Foley and asked what if anything were they getting from the donations to The Village Health System.

Following is her response:

Hi Jack,

The monies raised in The Villages will be used for the Moffitt Cancer Center at The Villages Health System and will not be shared with the Moffitt Cancer Center in Tampa. All of the equipment purchased for The Villages Cancer Center will be owned by The Villages Health System and not Moffitt.

If you have any other questions please don’t hesitate to reach out again.

Best,

Michelle

Pturner 02-09-2011 07:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ajakk (Post 329574)
I emailed Michelle Foley and asked what if anything were they getting from the donations to The Village Health System.

Following is her response:

Hi Jack,

The monies raised in The Villages will be used for the Moffitt Cancer Center at The Villages Health System and will not be shared with the Moffitt Cancer Center in Tampa. All of the equipment purchased for The Villages Cancer Center will be owned by The Villages Health System and not Moffitt.

If you have any other questions please don’t hesitate to reach out again.

Best,

Michelle
That doesn't actually answer the question. I wonder if she has considered a career in politics.

:popcorn:

nitakk 02-09-2011 07:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pturner (Post 329667)
That doesn't actually answer the question. I wonder if she has considered a career in politics.

:popcorn:
In a way, I think it does confirm something I thought all along - the equipment they want us to donate will be property of The Villages Health System. Since radiation treatment is very profitable, they will see immediate return on the "donated" equipment. It's like I wanted to open a liquor store and you guys bought all the booze for me to sell - and I get to keep all the money I make. Talk about a sweetheart deal!!


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