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MorTech 07-06-2025 11:15 PM

What is Money?
 
This guy is exactly right...An actual genius.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y37wn-f5hmE

Younger people are starting to wake up...They may be the first on Earth to be truly free/civilized and not serfs to external authorities and their Ponzi fiat. Ahh, to be 20 again :)

Whatnext 07-07-2025 04:41 AM

When barter was replaced by coinage, the actual coin, whether gold, silver etc. had the value of its worth in the actual metal.
Later when banks all printed their own promissory notes, they backed their paper amounts with gold.
Seems to me, all currency today, old and new, is based on a nod and hope, but its what we have, and until we don't have it, we just carry on using it.
The whole thing is a pyramid, and take out one bottom brick and it could all collapse.
Even precious metals, diamonds will be worthless, as there will be no actual currency to give it value.
Back to barter!

dtennent 07-07-2025 06:07 AM

Even the value of diamonds are falling with influx of man made diamonds into the market.
Now if I could only turn lead into gold….

Bay Kid 07-07-2025 06:26 AM

Funny Money.

CoachKandSportsguy 07-07-2025 07:07 AM

because bitcoin only has the value from the full faith and credit of the tech bros. . .

just another store of value based upon belief.

no electricity, got benjamins bro?

Bill14564 07-07-2025 07:11 AM

Not two minutes in and I get that uncomfortable feeling that the fast-talking, hand-waving guy is trying to sell me swampland.

I can put my trust in the full faith and credit of the US Govt. or I can put my trust in the fast-talking, hand-waving guy who wants to sell me something.

Caymus 07-07-2025 08:05 AM

Beads and shells were much better.

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-07-2025 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2443903)
Not two minutes in and I get that uncomfortable feeling that the fast-talking, hand-waving guy is trying to sell me swampland.

I can put my trust in the full faith and credit of the US Govt. or I can put my trust in the fast-talking, hand-waving guy who wants to sell me something.

Why do you have to put your full faith and/or trust in either?

I don't have full faith in the US Government. But the US Dollar is the money I'm able to use here in the USA to represent my trade of goods and services. So I'll use it. Even though I don't trust it to remain stable indefinitely.

In fact, I know that it's not a stable commodity. It fluctuates. And THAT - the fact that it fluctuates - is really the only thing I have full faith and trust in.

Bill14564 07-07-2025 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2443925)
Why do you have to put your full faith and/or trust in either?

I don't have full faith in the US Government. But the US Dollar is the money I'm able to use here in the USA to represent my trade of goods and services. So I'll use it. Even though I don't trust it to remain stable indefinitely.

In fact, I know that it's not a stable commodity. It fluctuates. And THAT - the fact that it fluctuates - is really the only thing I have full faith and trust in.

What is your alternative? With my deed restrictions I could never grow enough beans to trade for a dinner at Harvest…and then I would need to figure out the tip.

manaboutown 07-07-2025 11:10 AM

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Michael G. 07-07-2025 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MorTech (Post 2443855)
This guy is exactly right...An actual genius.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y37wn-f5hmE

Younger people are starting to wake up...They may be the first on Earth to be truly free/civilized and not serfs to external authorities and their Ponzi fiat. Ahh, to be 20 again :)

If you tied his hand behind his back, he couldn't talk. 😦

Whatnext 07-07-2025 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2443949)
If you tied his hand behind his back, he couldn't talk. 😦

Must be Italian blood there somewhere.

Pugchief 07-07-2025 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2443925)
Why do you have to put your full faith and/or trust in either?

I don't have full faith in the US Government. But the US Dollar is the money I'm able to use here in the USA to represent my trade of goods and services. So I'll use it. Even though I don't trust it to remain stable indefinitely.

In fact, I know that it's not a stable commodity. It fluctuates. And THAT - the fact that it fluctuates - is really the only thing I have full faith and trust in.

Correct.

What requires us to use USD as a medium of exchange is the fact that tax remittances must be made only in that medium, at gunpoint. Failure to comply will land you in prison.

Other mediums of exchange might be useful, but as OBB points out, both parties must agree to use said medium. When you have 325 million people and countless commercial entities constantly exchanging, it's really tough to find a common currency.

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-07-2025 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2443928)
What is your alternative? With my deed restrictions I could never grow enough beans to trade for a dinner at Harvest…and then I would need to figure out the tip.

I have no alternative. That's why I stated that I use it. You don't need to have faith and trust in a thing to know that you have no other option at the moment.

There are people in this country who live 100% off the grid, producing their own food, composting 100% of their waste, with trained medical professionals living right within the community, who use swap-meets to acquire and provide goods and services. There are communities like that right here in the good ole USA.

I'm not interested in living in one of those, but sure - those are totally alternatives to money.

Old Traveller 07-07-2025 06:44 PM

You need oil, metals, rubber and electricity to survive in the modern world. Oil, worldwide, trades in US dollars. The US dollar does the best job of measuring productivity, but it is far from perfect. Bitcoin is the dollars biggest adversary. I really don't understand how Bitcoin can measure productivity any better.

SaucyJim 07-08-2025 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Whatnext (Post 2443867)
Even precious metals, diamonds will be worthless, as there will be no actual currency to give it value.
Back to barter!

Physical, tangible assets with not be worthless when currencies collapse. Currencies derived their value from the metals, which were a means of exchange - not the other way around.

SaucyJim 07-08-2025 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Caymus (Post 2443915)
Beads and shells were much better.

Brads and shells deteriorate in circulation at a much fast pace than metals. Though metals also deteriorate.

Joe C. 07-08-2025 07:21 AM

No electricity ..... no computers ...... Bitcoin is dead.
Precious metal is money.
In times past, salt was money.
Money is physical. You can hold it. You can trade with it. Try holding Bitcoin. Heck, you can't even see it.

DaddyD 07-08-2025 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe C. (Post 2444109)
No electricity ..... no computers ...... Bitcoin is dead.
Precious metal is money.
In times past, salt was money.
Money is physical. You can hold it. You can trade with it. Try holding Bitcoin. Heck, you can't even see it.

In numerous countries in Europe cash, i.e., physical money, is virtually useless as no stores or businesses accept cash, only credit cards & other forms of electronic payment.

I'm not going to debate the pros/cons of bitcoin, but I'd bet my entire net worth that at some point in the not-too-distant future, all countries will convert to a CBDC (Central Bank Digital Currency). It's much harder to evade taxes when every transaction has an online trail.

Aces4 07-08-2025 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe C. (Post 2444109)
No electricity ..... no computers ...... Bitcoin is dead.
Precious metal is money.
In times past, salt was money.
Money is physical. You can hold it. You can trade with it. Try holding Bitcoin. Heck, you can't even see it.

No electricity.....nocomputers...... cash is dead.

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-08-2025 08:47 AM

Be easier to just have a microchip inserted into your arm. If you need something, you wave your arm over a platen that scans the chip and deducts from your total assets the value of whatever you're getting.

MrLonzo 07-08-2025 09:09 AM

I learned what money is when I was 26 years old reading Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged".

oneclickplus 07-08-2025 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MorTech (Post 2443855)
This guy is exactly right...An actual genius.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y37wn-f5hmE

Younger people are starting to wake up...They may be the first on Earth to be truly free/civilized and not serfs to external authorities and their Ponzi fiat. Ahh, to be 20 again :)

Well, this guy is "right" up to a point. If there were something to constrain the market to use Bitcoin, then perhaps some of his arguments are valid. But, his (and my) disdain for fiat currency applies to bitcoin also. Why? In the same way that governments create money out of thin air, just about anyone can (and have) create a new cryptocurrency out of thin air. As of this writing, there are in excess of 17,000 crypto currencies. As you can see, cryptocurrencies are collectively a type of fiat currency with no inherent value.

Food, water, energy, and guns / weapons to protect same are all that will matter when the USD collapses (in the very near future).

Try eating a dollar or a bitcoin.

Pugchief 07-08-2025 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyD (Post 2444115)
In numerous countries in Europe cash, i.e., physical money, is virtually useless as no stores or businesses accept cash, only credit cards & other forms of electronic payment.

I'm not going to debate the pros/cons of bitcoin, but I'd bet my entire net worth that at some point in the not-too-distant future, all countries will convert to a CBDC (Central Bank Digital Currency). It's much harder to evade taxes when every transaction has an online trail.


Yep.
It's also much easier to debank people who don't behave.

jimhoward 07-08-2025 12:25 PM

The guy quotes Maslow's needs hierarchy without attribution and then ties it to money. Okay then.


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