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midiwiz 08-11-2025 07:03 AM

Non-AD Valorem Assessment?????
 
Seriously? Here we go. Over the weekend, from TV Finace Dept. We recieved (as many of you probably did) an assessment meeting notice. that they want to levy for 2025-2026. So aside from the incompetence of management of this community, I'm wondering how many people on tight budgets this is going to adversly effect.

I also find it somewhat dodging to hold a public hearing on a Thursday afternoon at 3pm. Honestly, the timing is suspect, August notice, meeting Sept, collection October.

How does an organization blow a budget by $4.5M???????

Bill14564 08-11-2025 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by midiwiz (Post 2452734)
Seriously? Here we go. Over the weekend, from TV Finace Dept. We recieved (as many of you probably did) an assessment meeting notice. that they want to levy for 2025-2026. So aside from the incompetence of management of this community, I'm wondering how many people on tight budgets this is going to adversly effect.

I also find it somewhat dodging to hold a public hearing on a Thursday afternoon at 3pm. Honestly, the timing is suspect, August notice, meeting Sept, collection October.

How does an organization blow a budget by $4.5M???????

Looking at the proposed budget for my district, the two largest increases I see are $300K for electricity and $20K for landscaping. We knew last year that SECO was increasing fees by a stupid amount and it looks like it hit this year. The increased maintenance fee will just about cover the increased charge from SECO.

Rainger99 08-11-2025 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by midiwiz (Post 2452734)
Seriously? Here we go. Over the weekend, from TV Finace Dept. We recieved (as many of you probably did) an assessment meeting notice. that they want to levy for 2025-2026. So aside from the incompetence of management of this community, I'm wondering how many people on tight budgets this is going to adversly effect.

I also find it somewhat dodging to hold a public hearing on a Thursday afternoon at 3pm. Honestly, the timing is suspect, August notice, meeting Sept, collection October.

How does an organization blow a budget by $4.5M???????

Is this all districts or just some?

GoRedSox! 08-11-2025 08:32 AM

I can see in Informed Delivery that I will receive this notice in the mail today. I am unclear on what this assessment is, as the only thing I pay directly to The Villages Community Development District is the monthly amenity, garbage, water, irrigation, sewer bill.

Is this a new proposed charge, or an increase in what we already pay with property taxes to the Sumter Tax Collector? I am in Alden Bungalows, I believe that is District 10.

Thank you in advance for any information on this, I am not familiar with this charge.

midiwiz 08-11-2025 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by GoRedSox! (Post 2452773)
I can see in Informed Delivery that I will receive this notice in the mail today. I am unclear on what this assessment is, as the only thing I pay directly to The Villages Community Development District is the monthly amenity, garbage, water, irrigation, sewer bill.

Is this a new proposed charge, or an increase in what we already pay with property taxes to the Sumter Tax Collector? I am in Alden Bungalows, I believe that is District 10.

Thank you in advance for any information on this, I am not familiar with this charge.

it's a total of approx. $1500 over 3 periods of an assessment. aka extra charge.

midiwiz 08-11-2025 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2452763)
Is this all districts or just some?

District 10, why just 10? there must be others.

midiwiz 08-11-2025 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2452746)
Looking at the proposed budget for my district, the two largest increases I see are $300K for electricity and $20K for landscaping. We knew last year that SECO was increasing fees by a stupid amount and it looks like it hit this year. The increased maintenance fee will just about cover the increased charge from SECO.

but this is $4.5MILLION for ONE district!!!!!!

GoRedSox! 08-11-2025 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by midiwiz (Post 2452780)
District 10, why just 10? there must be others.


I was just saying I am in District 10. I have no idea what other districts may or may not be affected.

midiwiz 08-11-2025 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by GoRedSox! (Post 2452782)
I was just saying I am in District 10. I have no idea what other districts may or may not be affected.

yes I get that BUT $4.5M for 1 district????

Bill14564 08-11-2025 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by midiwiz (Post 2452776)
it's a total of approx. $1500 over 3 periods of an assessment. aka extra charge.

??? I see an increase of $46 in my once-yearly maintenance fee. What is this $1,500 over three periods?

It seems the District 10 letters have gone out. I have no idea what the other districts are doing but the discussion would likely be in the minutes of their last meeting, the agenda for their next meeting, or the scheduling of a special public meeting.

Bill14564 08-11-2025 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by midiwiz (Post 2452781)
but this is $4.5MILLION for ONE district!!!!!!

I don't keep track of the budgets of the other districts but you can find them under each district's page on districtgov.org.

I can't say whether $4.5M is reasonable outside the Villages but it is consistent with the CDD10 budget over the past several years.

midiwiz 08-11-2025 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2452784)
??? I see an increase of $46 in my once-yearly maintenance fee. What is this $1,500 over three periods?

It seems the District 10 letters have gone out. I have no idea what the other districts are doing but the discussion would likely be in the minutes of their last meeting, the agenda for their next meeting, or the scheduling of a special public meeting.

it's right in the center -

24-25 $707.82
25-26 $760.91
25-26 $53.09

This is ASIDE from your amenity fee.

midiwiz 08-11-2025 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2452786)
I don't keep track of the budgets of the other districts but you can find them under each district's page on districtgov.org.

I can't say whether $4.5M is reasonable outside the Villages but it is consistent with the CDD10 budget over the past several years.

all you guys put up with this BS? we are not supposed to pay an assessment so they can hit their budget, their budget is to be within what we currently pay every year.

Bill14564 08-11-2025 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by midiwiz (Post 2452787)
it's right in the center -

24-25 $707.82
25-26 $760.91
25-26 $53.09

This is ASIDE from your amenity fee.

You are misunderstanding.

My maintenance fee for FY 24-25 was $621.68
My maintenance fee for FY 25-26 will be $668.31
This is an increase in my maintenance fee of $46.63 compared to last year.

Bill14564 08-11-2025 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by midiwiz (Post 2452788)
all you guys put up with this BS? we are not supposed to pay an assessment so they can hit their budget, their budget is to be within what we currently pay every year.

Do you believe flowers for the roundabouts did not increase this year?
Do you believe labor for mowing the grass did not increase this year?
Do you believe the cost of maintaining the roads in the Villas did not increase this year?
Do you believe the cost of electricity did not increase this year?

Do you believe ANYTHING that the maintenance fee pays for did not increase this year? Because if anything DID increase this year (like electricity increasing $300K) then either the maintenance fee must increase or something that we enjoy now must be dropped.

Hey, I'm all for dropping every street light and being able to see the stars again but I suspect that suggestion would not get very far.

midiwiz 08-11-2025 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2452795)
Do you believe flowers for the roundabouts did not increase this year?
Do you believe labor for mowing the grass did not increase this year?
Do you believe the cost of maintaining the roads in the Villas did not increase this year?
Do you believe the cost of electricity did not increase this year?

Do you believe ANYTHING that the maintenance fee pays for did not increase this year? Because if anything DID increase this year (like electricity increasing $300K) then either the maintenance fee must increase or something that we enjoy now must be dropped.

Hey, I'm all for dropping every street light and being able to see the stars again but I suspect that suggestion would not get very far.

I'm well aware of that I ran a HOA for 3.5 years on the coast, and IF these numbers refect reality or the delta it's worded completely wrong. I still stand behind what I said, if the current solution doesn't fit the budget you change the solution. PLUS They grow their own flowers! The are far more self sufficient that you give them credit for. As for the crew? we changed as we found better bids and kept the runner up in our back pocket. Just like a corporation, once insurance re-up is completed you start reviewing and looking for next year. It's common business practice.

Bill14564 08-11-2025 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by midiwiz (Post 2452801)
I'm well aware of that I ran a HOA for 3.5 years on the coast, and IF these numbers refect reality or the delta it's worded completely wrong. I still stand behind what I said, if the current solution doesn't fit the budget you change the solution. PLUS They grow their own flowers! The are far more self sufficient that you give them credit for. As for the crew? we changed as we found better bids and kept the runner up in our back pocket. Just like a corporation, once insurance re-up is completed you start reviewing and looking for next year. It's common business practice.

CDD10 meetings are held monthly. The PWAC spends much of the maintenance fee and they also have monthly meetings. The CDD10 budget workshops were held last month. There recently was an opening for a CDD10 supervisor and other positions will be up for election. Have you considered being part of the solution?

midiwiz 08-11-2025 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2452809)
CDD10 meetings are held monthly. The PWAC spends much of the maintenance fee and they also have monthly meetings. The CDD10 budget workshops were held last month. There recently was an opening for a CDD10 supervisor and other positions will be up for election. Have you considered being part of the solution?

for those of us that work for a living AND have been president of a HOA in Florida, sure I considered it for all of 1 second. Trust me it's not the headache I care to have again.

idlewild 08-11-2025 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2452792)
You are misunderstanding.

My maintenance fee for FY 24-25 was $621.68
My maintenance fee for FY 25-26 will be $668.31
This is an increase in my maintenance fee of $46.63 compared to last year.

Did you see this, midiwiz? Which is it: a $1500 increase or a $50 increase?

Bill14564 08-11-2025 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by idlewild (Post 2452821)
Did you see this, midiwiz? Which is it: a $1500 increase or a $50 increase?

We'll know when the TRIM notices come out in a couple of weeks.

I'll be happy to win a beer from anyone who wants to be against me.

midiwiz 08-11-2025 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2452822)
We'll know when the TRIM notices come out in a couple of weeks.

I'll be happy to win a beer from anyone who wants to be against me.

i talked to them took 30 minutes for someone to know what is going on. Finally they just blamed the poor wording on the lawyers LOL. it's the taxes that are effected not the monthly rip-off bill. They admitted the message was a bit off and it's what the bill should be vs what is. ergo not 1500 ..... they felt a bit stupid.

Bogie Shooter 08-11-2025 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by midiwiz (Post 2452833)
i talked to them took 30 minutes for someone to know what is going on. Finally they just blamed the poor wording on the lawyers LOL. it's the taxes that are effected not the monthly rip-off bill. They admitted the message was a bit off and it's what the bill should be vs what is. ergo not 1500 ..... they felt a bit stupid.

Taxes?
Would it not be the maintenance fee?
Why the “rip-off” …….not a happy camper?

midiwiz 08-11-2025 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2452837)
Taxes?
Would it not be the maintenance fee?
Why the “rip-off” …….not a happy camper?

yes they explained all that type of stuff gets dumped into our tax bill with the county and the county gives them the $$$ for it.

As for the "rip-off" sure, I guess you've never lived in other parts of Florida? We used to pay $6 a month for reclamation water, no matter how much we used. Sewer fee is amazing, never had that one. Either rate I don't complain about the amenities fee, I much like life, pay it so all of you can enjoy what you like.

Bogie Shooter 08-11-2025 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by midiwiz (Post 2452867)
yes they explained all that type of stuff gets dumped into our tax bill with the county and the county gives them the $$$ for it.

As for the "rip-off" sure, I guess you've never lived in other parts of Florida? We used to pay $6 a month for reclamation water, no matter how much we used. Sewer fee is amazing, never had that one. Either rate I don't complain about the amenities fee, I much like life, pay it so all of you can enjoy what you like.

:1rotfl::1rotfl:
Was this all in a van down by the river……

GoRedSox! 08-11-2025 01:23 PM

I received my notice in the mail, and it was worded far better. It’s said my maintenance assessment in 24-25 was $510.61. They are proposing a new assessment for 25-26 of $548.91. They then say the increase is $38.30.

There is a public hearing to discuss on September 4 at 3 pm.

I realize this increase is over 7%, but I am not going to sweat $38.30 over a year. This is a non-issue for me, and I hope for everyone. Good luck to all.

BrianL99 08-11-2025 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GoRedSox! (Post 2452885)
I received my notice in the mail, and it was worded far better. It’s said my maintenance assessment in 24-25 was $510.61. They are proposing a new assessment for 25-26 of $548.91. They then say the increase is $38.30.

There is a public hearing to discuss on September 4 at 3 pm.

I realize this increase is over 7%, but I am not going to sweat $38.30 over a year. This is a non-issue for me, and I hope for everyone. Good luck to all.


As always, the Sky is Falling when issues get to TOTV. A little more than $1 day doesn't seem like a catastrophe.

Bill14564 08-11-2025 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2452888)
As always, the Sky is Falling when issues get to TOTV. A little more than $1 day doesn't seem like a catastrophe.

Yes, but a dime here and a nickel there and pretty soon you're talking about real money..

In 2018 my maintenance fee was $500. It was increased in 2021, 2023, and now 2025 to where it will be $668. Not, "a little more than $1 a day," but more like an increase of $.50/day since I moved here.

$168/year isn't going to keep me from buying good beer but if it was in my pocket I could buy 20 more.

mtdjed 08-11-2025 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2452893)
Yes, but a dime here and a nickel there and pretty soon you're talking about real money..

In 2018 my maintenance fee was $500. It was increased in 2021, 2023, and now 2025 to where it will be $668. Not, "a little more than $1 a day," but more like an increase of $.50/day since I moved here.

$168/year isn't going to keep me from buying good beer but if it was in my pocket I could buy 20 more.

Seems like this whole thread was much ado about nothing.

jrref 08-11-2025 03:40 PM

The increase isn't that much in the big scheme of things but I'm sure for some on a fixed income, rising costs can be a problem. This whole thing with Seco concerns me because they raised the prices now but what's stopping them from continuing in subsequent years. I think we need to build a very large solar farm on the Polo Grounds and generate our own power.

Rainger99 08-11-2025 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jrref (Post 2452918)
I'm sure for some on a fixed income, rising costs can be a problem.

Aren’t we all on a fixed income?

It is just that some are fixed higher than others.

CarlR33 08-11-2025 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2452941)
Aren’t we all on a fixed income?

It is just that some are fixed higher than others.

The fixed income statement would be for someone living in a van down by the river not The Villages?

CoachKandSportsguy 08-11-2025 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2452941)
Aren’t we all on a fixed income?
It is just that some are fixed higher than others.

I have always been on a fixed income, it was called a salary!

and for awhile I was in charge of sales commission finance, and those sales reps are NOT on a fixed income!

Retiredsteve 08-12-2025 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2452795)
Do you believe flowers for the roundabouts did not increase this year?
Do you believe labor for mowing the grass did not increase this year?
Do you believe the cost of maintaining the roads in the Villas did not increase this year?
Do you believe the cost of electricity did not increase this year?

Do you believe ANYTHING that the maintenance fee pays for did not increase this year? Because if anything DID increase this year (like electricity increasing $300K) then either the maintenance fee must increase or something that we enjoy now must be dropped.

Hey, I'm all for dropping every street light and being able to see the stars again but I suspect that suggestion would not get very far.

I do believe everything is going down. The President tells me that every day

Worldseries27 08-12-2025 06:00 AM

Time for meds
 
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Bottoms up

SaucyJim 08-12-2025 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2452795)
Do you believe flowers for the roundabouts did not increase this year?
Do you believe labor for mowing the grass did not increase this year?
Do you believe the cost of maintaining the roads in the Villas did not increase this year?
Do you believe the cost of electricity did not increase this year?

Do you believe ANYTHING that the maintenance fee pays for did not increase this year? Because if anything DID increase this year (like electricity increasing $300K) then either the maintenance fee must increase or something that we enjoy now must be dropped.

Hey, I'm all for dropping every street light and being able to see the stars again but I suspect that suggestion would not get very far.

I second the motion on the streetlights. I can read in my living room with the light pollution coming in off of my street. At least put them on motion detectors or greatly lower the wattage in the bulbs.

BrianL99 08-12-2025 06:16 AM

Things must be better in some Districts.

The PWAC just approved a $3.5M make-over for the Sumter Landing Wharf.

Chamo 08-12-2025 06:28 AM

How about starting not planting flowers at the roundabouts three times a year? How about they stop building for a while instead of buying every piece of property, they can get and build on. They are spreading way too far and way too fast. It will have to come to an end sooner or later. They should take care of what they have now instead of looking 20 years in the future.

G.R.I.T.S. 08-12-2025 06:34 AM

“Incompetent management?” Look around. If “this place” looked in poor repair, I would likely suspect mismanagement. If my budget no longer allowed me to live here, I would not expect others to supplement my expenses. I would have to explore other areas in which to live.

Worldseries27 08-12-2025 06:36 AM

Let's have a catch
 
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Originally Posted by chamo (Post 2452993)
how about starting not planting flowers at the roundabouts three times a year? How about they stop building for a while instead of buying every piece of property, they can get and build on. They are spreading way too far and way too fast. It will have to come to an end sooner or later. They should take care of what they have now instead of looking 20 years in the future.

wellllll????

RoseyRed 08-12-2025 06:37 AM

:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:
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Originally Posted by Worldseries27 (Post 2452979)
Bottoms up



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