Minneapolis Catholic School shootings.
 

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Always sad to see another one of these horrors. They need to approach this problem from every practical angle and find something that works to prevent these situations from keep happening.

And something evaluated in terms of common sense and serious critical analysis based on facts presented by objective analysts.

I was referring more to these school, church, restaurant, store, park and other shootings occurring all over the United States.


I lived in Minneapolis from August 1986 to late November of 1991. I have heard that it is now very different from when I was there. I have not been back to Minneapolis since then.

In common
 

What both the mass stabbing and shooting have in common is mental health. We live in a world where kids are raised on video gamesmanship who’s solitary goal is how many people you can kill. Raise your kids like that and consider at least a few will fall through the cracks of normality.

Not sure how much of a connection there is between videos and someone killing real people. There are millions of people who play violent video games.

I really liked what the Minneapolis mayor said. He showed genuine compassion.

I would not call Minneapolis soft on crimes. Some other places very limp IMHO on crime and hip deep in hypocrisy.

I really liked what Amy Klobuchar had to say about this crime this morning.

Why
 

Why? Just why? And now we will never know why this guy took his pistol, shotgun and rifle and opened up on these kids. The shooting Wednesday at a Minneapolis Catholic school has killed two children as they prayed and injured 17 other people, 14 of them kids.

Can anyone tell me why kids praying in pews were his target? All the emotions pour over me. What bothers me most, is we will never know why.

Waiting to hear more about that deranged guy/gal. Manifesto and video in police possession. Hope it’s all made public to understand why and what occurred. Apparently he bought at least one of the guns legally. More coming for sure. Poor families….

If you are registered on Twitter, there is an account with a lot of info on the shooter; It currently has the last video he put out. The manifesto is in the first couple minutes of the video; if you freeze it and maybe enlarge it, you can read it. The account where you can find it is "Champagne Joshi" It's up now, will it be there tomorrow? Who can say?
After watching it, my diagnosis is - he is crazy.

What??? It’s constantly ranked in the top places for quality of life, healthcare and generally much better than Florida.

Guess depends on who doing the ranking? Until justice system starts executing cold blooded killers before the die old age or ever crazy lunatic’s have escape. College killer in Utah good example, IMO he should be 6 foot under by now… but, lawyers have to get paid don’t they? O being crazy IMO don’t get off the hook.

Most countries in the civilized have solved that problem.

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Could be the kids who don’t become violent have other experiences that counteract that desire. And the kids who do become violent may have grossly unbalanced life experiences of violence and hate vs the ones who don’t.

The old saying “you are what you eat” applies to anything you take into your mind/body.

No. What they have in common is guns. Did you see the size of the shells he used? These shells are for warfare, not hunting. There are millions of people with mental disorders who do not own guns. More often than not, those with mental health issues and guns kill themselves and do not shoot others (it's called suicide).

Agreed. Great healthcare, great schools.

I worked with about 40 prisoners at Minnesota Correctional Facility -Stillwater as a student then Student Co-Director at the University of Minnesota Law School from late August or early September 1987 to May 1989. I found some had committed crimes that made them outcasts within the prison system. Others seemed to get a long with other inmates. My biggest headache was a prison lawyer type who kept throwing things at me while would have taken up all my free time. My supervising attorney told me to just forget about it.


My point is that the prisoners at Stillwater were very different from one another.

A few had committed very violent crimes but most of the others did not.

Two of these violent offenders were kids but were out of prison. I am not sure that either had been incarcerated but were for some reason attached to Stillwater. We were helping with defense for them related to their victims suing them.


I had started looking about how to improve materials in libraries for survivors/victims of crimes soon after graduating from the U of Minnesota Law School especially when the national law librarian convention was in Reno, Nevada the Summer of 1989.


I did find the people I contacted in Minnesota about my concerns very professional and open to my suggestions. I had ordered a directory from the National Organization for Victim Assistance and wrote quite a number of victim assistance providers in Minnesota soon after I got the Directory.


I was trying to spark a dialog between librarians of all kinds and victim witness assistance providers about the information needs of those most affected by violent crimes.

I would say that Florida responses left a lot to be desired. But I did have a great talk
with some law librarians in the Miami area over the phone. This was probably after we moved to Florida in 1996. Maybe even when we were in the Villages. Not sure the date or even year.

You just put your thumb on the real problem, "mental illness". Institutions are needed and invention necessary. What people can't understand is that if a seriously disturbed mental health person can't get a gun, they will use the next horrendous method they can lay their hands on. Be the method of poisoning, knives, fire, bombs and so forth. They are sick and want to kill. And fewer police services and any gathering of people leave us all more vulnerable, the public squares here make me concerned.

I believe part of the problem is "our" gun culture. We have Americans sending out Christmas Cards with a family picture of all holding a gun.
I understand it's a 2nd amendment statement, and that not everyone with a gun will hurt someone. But the prevalence of guns in our society is off the hook. Whether it's greeting cards, games, symbols guns are elevated beyond a simple tool. And yes I am a gun owner.

We need to tackle gun perception, mental illness, and bullying. Along with tightening up some gun laws.

AI; "Minnesota schools generally perform well nationally, though specific rankings vary by source and year, with one 2025 report placing it 27th overall, while another from Education Recovery Scorecard showed the state ranked 16th in math and 8th in reading between 2022-2024 for education recovery." Minnesota is not a strong as it once was but it's neighboring state of Wisconsin is holding it's own. Don't know how long because a large influx in population from those fleeing Illinois have moved in. AI: Wisconsin's public schools are highly regarded, often ranking among the top states nationally. Recent rankings place Wisconsin's Pre-K-12 education system at 5th best in the nation, according to WalletHub. U.S. News & World Report ranks Wisconsin #10 for higher education and #20 for Pre-K-12. Additionally, Wisconsin's strong performance is reflected in specific metrics like math scores (ranked 5th), SAT scores (ranked 5th), and a low drop-out rate (3rd lowest).

Many thanks to you the Moderator in your Attempts to keep this site civil and on subject especially on “emotional and controversial topics.”

Agree. Just based on common sense. But in practical terms getting a lot of weapons now in houses out would be impractical. Gun manufacturers should be more responsible though with what they make and sell in the future. A reasonable person probably can tell what a weapon is that has little connection to everyday life and belongs more on a battlefield.


But always keep in mind the lessons of Prohibition. They outlawed booze and soon made the criminals getting it into the US or manufacturing it here rich and very connected.

Mentally stable people, not impressionable young minds already stressed by their situations.

I can suggest something that would work, but it can't be implemented because there would be great push back. The simple solution would be to only sell single shot rifles, pistols, and shotguns to the public. The Police and the Army should be the ones using repeating firearms. NOT the general public. Single shot weapons can be used for home self-defense and for sporting use.

There are too many very fast shooting weapons already out there. We are a nation of guns. I sold most of mine to get letters out to victim assistance providers all over the United States and some abroad in 1992 and 1993.


I had first written victimologists all over the world about my problems with law libraries in 1991 and how they thought I should proceed. They did not have high hopes about much of anything.


But now thankfully all the technology out there makes getting victims survivors connected with assistance providers easier. But there are still those who are not very good with technology.


What is needed is more respect for guns and how much damage they can do to the human body. I do think we have become desensitized to this kind of violence. We need to wake up to how hard some survivors have dealing with all that.


Not sure if John Wick kind of movies, video games, and the like play much of a part in desensitized people. Since so many people watch and love thee kind of movies but do not seem to feel a need for violence.

Not to mention all of us who grew up on Road Runner and Bugs Bunny cartoons, and Westerns on TV, Friday the 13th movies - and our generation didn't turn into a horde of psychopaths.

Mental health is absolutely a problem. We need more funding to combat it, as it isn't merely a matter of mommy telling Junior "no."

We ALSO need more robust enforcement of our existing national gun laws (yes, we actually have them, they're just not enforced efficiently). I also believe that we need to have more -minimum- gun law standards. Leave additional restrictions up to each state, but minimum standards would be - a national database that is continually updated, every time law enforcement agency on the federal, state, or municipal level adds to it, universal background checks using that database, and anyone who goes to a gun show has to have their government-issued ID (drivers license, passport, or state-issued ID, or government agency employee id, for example) scanned on the way in, when they make a purchase, and their ID scanned again on their way out. And just like cars don't kill people - drivers kill people. Guns don't kill people. Shooters kill people. So license them the same way drivers have to be licensed to drive. An eye test, a competency (physical target-shoot) test, and a written test. Renewable every "x" years.

I agree and I am a gun owner for hunting and home defense. Not military style weapons to be a pretend Rambo.

Mass shootings
 

Quote: Most countries in the civilized have solved that problem.[/QUOTE]

We don't do anything because we don't have the political will.

In Singapore itis illegal to own a gun. In New Zealand you have to ask the government for permission to own a gun. If you own a gun you must have two gun safes. One for the gun and one for the ammunition. From what i understand, that has all but eliminated mass shootings in that country. There are many compromises within this article. Ban "assault style" weapons, ban large capacity magazines and rapid fire weapons and devices that make a gun rapid fire. None of these eliminate the second amendment. Keep the second amendment.

There has got to be compromise. I am sorry to say: until there is a will, then stop wasting my time. Accept that we are not as civilized as we would like to think. Accept that, that daily mass shootings are part of he American daily life. It is who we are..........until we are ready to do something about it. The time is now !

Political
 

This sounds like a political stance. See your US congressman or state senator to get it done.

Good suggestions.


Maybe they also need a number like 911 for people who suspect someone is about to go off the deep end. Not 911 though. Something manned by social workers trained in psychology. And a number that has very calm people who see a swatting like incident for what it is. Given the "crooked timber of humanity" you have to prepare for things going wrong.

It is not meant to be a political stance. It more of a frustrated or cynical stance. Tired of hearing about this stuff if there is no will to act. Doubt any politician is willing to act.

Gun ban
 

Ban all guns. You may need a gun in Alaska, Minnesota or in the northwestern states, but not here in the villages. We only have a few problem bears, few panthers and alligators are regularly removed.

It is not meant to be a political stance. It more of a frustrated or cynical stance. Tired of hearing about this stuff if there is no will to act. Doubt any politician is willing to act.....much less enough to pass legislation.

I am more or less a pacifist, and won't allow guns in my house. I'm ALSO in favor of The People maintaining their right to bear arms, but not unconditionally and without restrictions. Nuclear weapons are arms, but I'm pretty sure civilians aren't allowed to have a few sitting in their basements. There are restrictions already. I'd like to see them updated to include public carry of semi-automatics of any kind, including glock pistols.

I don't think banning semi-automatics is the right way to go about it, mostly for practical reasons: most people who WOULD have them, already have them. You can't forbid someone to buy, what they already own. There are more firearms in this country than there are people in this country. Banning firearms from civilian possession just flat out won't work. Forbidding PUBLIC CARRY is another matter entirely, and much more enforceable. The average AR-15-owner is not going to sling his rifle off the back of his shoulder, if he's not allowed to carry it in public. He might hide it in a case, disassembled so it isn't obviously carrying a rifle. But even that, is enough to drastically reduce the risk of random rifle-owners going nuts and shooting up churches.

There will still be gun violence. The horse left that barn here in the USA in the mid-1900's and the barn has been burned down. But we can better enforce laws that are more easily enforceable, with clear, concise, and consistent consequences for violators, without taking guns away from The People. We can eliminate NEW manufacture of certain weapon types. We can eliminate sales of certain accessories and ammunition. But no - we absolutely should not take guns away from law-abiding citizens just because a few people are unhinged.

I'm grateful that I have the right to NOT own a firearm, and not allow one in my house. I'm grateful that law-abiding citizens have the right to own one. But I also don't feel that anyone should be carrying them - for example - to the town squares for dancing and drinks. Or into Best Buy on Black Friday. Y'know, places where you're likely to see drunk people doing drunk-people things, or crazed people fighting over products or parking spaces. We call that "inviting trouble." I'd like to see common sense laws that reduce "inviting trouble" to a bare minimum.

Last time I fired a gun was in 1982 when I went refrigerator hunting with my grandpa. There was a dump with old cars, refrigerators, bottles and the like behind Rattlesnake Mountain in Reno, Nevada. I do clean them every so often. I had a lot more guns though in 1982 so my grandpa shot with all of them. I sold some of my guns to get out letters in my 224 613 Project. It seemed appropriate. I also had to sell my best art books that really hurt a lot more than pawning the weapons.

Issues
 

There are several issues with your ideas. What if someone goes hunting out in the Everglades, stops in at Walmart for milk and forgets their firearm is strapped to them through the complacency of wearing it on and off for the past weekend? What if rioting starts in downtown Orlando and looting becomes rampant? Can someone wear one for self defense? I could see banning them or checking them in at bars, but then I’ll bet the bar owner has one behind the liquor shelf too.

There is this little thing called the Constitution that gives us our rights... the 2nd amendment is one of those rights... start taking away our rights and you will be living in a 3rd world country. As for the Villages, well, you can always move.

LOL. Ridiculous comparison and proving your point moot:
Singapore is a city state. Probably not a lot of hunting going on there. Or wild roaming dangerous animals.

More importantly, Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates in the world bc they ENFORCE the laws with STRICT and swift punishment. I'll be fine with banning guns here in the US right after they start a program of enforcement and severeness instead of letting criminals wander the streets with weapons and vilifying victims while coddling the perps. Not holding my breath.

Or you can move
 

Or have all the gun owners move.

I'll be on board with that right after they figure a way for criminals to not PUBLIC CARRY. Not holding my breath for that either.