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Darield 09-04-2025 02:13 PM

Something to think about-plastic bags
 
Lately I have been getting feeds on my phone about foods and products to avoid to reduce our consumption of micro plastics. So this has obviously become a problem since we are even finding this nasty stuff in our livestock our soil and of course The Ocean. I decided to ask several stores how many plastic bags they go through a day and the common answer was between 4-7,000 A DAY! I then looked up approximately how may grocery stores are in Florida? Approximately 20,000. If I multiply 20,000 x 3,000 bags (a very conservative number). Just in Florida we are using approximately 60 million plastic bags a day!! We don't have the manpower to recycle this plastic (latest figures are between 5 and 6% gets recycled) so the majority ends up in landfills, the ocean or best yet, we burn it in huge trash facilities. Please use reusable grocery bags.
If this interests you, here are some links to read more;
5 Things You Need to Know About How Florida Banned Plastic Bags - Debris Free Oceans
plastic-bags/https://www.npr.org/2022/10/24/1131131088/recycling-plastic-is-practically-impossible-and-the-problem-is-getting-worsehttps://shunpoly.com/article/how-much-of-the-usas-plastic-is-recycled

retiredguy123 09-04-2025 02:38 PM

Sorry, but I like the plastic bags and I will keep using them.

BrianL99 09-04-2025 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darield (Post 2458944)
Lately I have been getting feeds on my phone about foods and products to avoid to reduce our consumption of micro plastics. So this has obviously become a problem since we are even finding this nasty stuff in our livestock our soil and of course The Ocean. I decided to ask several stores how many plastic bags they go through a day and the common answer was between 4-7,000 A DAY! I then looked up approximately how may grocery stores are in Florida? Approximately 20,000. If I multiply 20,000 x 3,000 bags (a very conservative number). Just in Florida we are using approximately 60 million plastic bags a day!! We don't have the manpower to recycle this plastic (latest figures are between 5 and 6% gets recycled) so the majority ends up in landfills, the ocean or best yet, we burn it in huge trash facilities. Please use reusable grocery bags.
If this interests you, here are some links to read more;
5 Things You Need to Know About How Florida Banned Plastic Bags - Debris Free Oceans
plastic-bags/https://www.npr.org/2022/10/24/1131131088/recycling-plastic-is-practically-impossible-and-the-problem-is-getting-worsehttps://shunpoly.com/article/how-much-of-the-usas-plastic-is-recycled


Something to think about?

This won't make my Top 1000 things to think about, it's all fake news.

OrangeBlossomBaby 09-04-2025 03:21 PM

If I don't put my groceries into plastic bags from the check-out, then I'll have to buy plastic bags so I can clean the litter-box every day. I much prefer to re-use. I also use these bags for the little waste bins under each of our two bathroom sinks, and I don't throw them away until they're completely filled up. Usually once every month or so. I ALSO keep a couple of them in my car, in case I have trash from the drive-through or candy wrappers or whatever else. I ALSO keep a few in my suitcase, so when I'm visiting family, I have a place to put my dirty clothes at bedtime.

I say - use whatever makes you comfortable but IF you choose plastic, make every effort to re-use them.

Velvet 09-04-2025 03:25 PM

I keep using them and reusing them for art. I also take a whole bunch up north with me as the bags up north have become very expensive and cumbersome and unhygienic. I do keep mine out of the garbage though because of all the dear creatures that can choke on them.

OrangeBlossomBaby 09-04-2025 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2458955)
I keep using them and reusing them for art. I also take a whole bunch up north with me as the bags up north have become very expensive and cumbersome and unhygienic. I do keep mine out of the garbage though because of all the dear creatures that can choke on them.

If you keep them out of the garbage, then what do you do with them, when it's time to discard them (if they get torn, or dirty)?

Something you can do, when it is time to toss them in the trash - is cut the handles. It prevents critters from sticking their heads through the hole and being unable to dislodge the bag from their neck. You should do that with 6-pack plastic doodads as well.

Pugchief 09-04-2025 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2458954)
If I don't put my groceries into plastic bags from the check-out, then I'll have to buy plastic bags so I can clean the litter-box every day. I much prefer to re-use. I also use these bags for the little waste bins under each of our two bathroom sinks, and I don't throw them away until they're completely filled up. Usually once every month or so. I ALSO keep a couple of them in my car, in case I have trash from the drive-through or candy wrappers or whatever else. I ALSO keep a few in my suitcase, so when I'm visiting family, I have a place to put my dirty clothes at bedtime.

I say - use whatever makes you comfortable but IF you choose plastic, make every effort to re-use them.

Good post, solid logic.

For those who wish to ban plastic bags, what do you propose as an alternative? What will I pick up dog poop with? What will we put our garbage in at the curb?

Reduce and reuse: Yes
Eliminate: No

Papa_lecki 09-04-2025 04:25 PM

So in New Jersey, plastic bags are illegal. All groceries come in a petroleum based, type bag. You know what we do with those bags, throw them away.
Know what we did with the old plastic bags, put them in the bathroom trash cans, picked up dog poops, etc.
Now we also need to buy poop bags.

BrianL99 09-04-2025 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 2458966)
So in New Jersey, plastic bags are illegal. All groceries come in a petroleum based, type bag. You know what we do with those bags, throw them away.
Know what we did with the old plastic bags, put them in the bathroom trash cans, picked up dog poops, etc.
Now we also need to buy poop bags.

163 Cities and Towns in MA regulate "plastic bags" in some way. Over 70% of the population.

Just a wild guess, but I'd put money on the fact that 90% these towns banned "paper bags", 15-20 years ago. I know all the towns I live near, banned them. Now all of a sudden, paper bags are the cat's meow.

Recycling is the biggest scam in the last 50 years.

fdpaq0580 09-04-2025 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2458960)
For those who wish to ban plastic bags, what do you propose as an alternative? What will I pick up dog poop with? What will we put our garbage in at the curb?

Dog poop. Bucket and shovel. Take home and flush it?
Garbage? Remember metal trash/garbage cans?

Where there is a will, there is a way. 😉

Pugchief 09-04-2025 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2458970)

Recycling is the biggest scam in the last 50 years.

Second biggest.
Climate change is #1.
I'll believe it when the elites who go on about it stop flying in private jets.

Pugchief 09-04-2025 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2458971)
Dog poop. Bucket and shovel. Take home and flush it?
Garbage? Remember metal trash/garbage cans?

No going back. That ship has sailed.

tophcfa 09-04-2025 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2458956)
If you keep them out of the garbage, then what do you do with them, when it's time to discard them (if they get torn, or dirty)?

Something you can do, when it is time to toss them in the trash - is cut the handles. It prevents critters from sticking their heads through the hole and being unable to dislodge the bag from their neck. You should do that with 6-pack plastic doodads as well.

We save a large percentage of our plastic bags from our Villages home and bring them up north with us because the stores there won’t give them out any longer. We bring them into the stores, and when they ask us if we want to purchase paper bags we say we’re all set and toss them some bags from Publix and tell them to bag our groceries. Who says they are single use bags, we use them multiple times, until they tear and are no longer useable.

fdpaq0580 09-04-2025 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2458990)
No going back. That ship has sailed.

Decision based on lack of commitment. That "ship" remains in port for those with the will and vision to explore options. Occasionally, old ways can be "re-imagined" to be better than current ways. Remember glass milk bottles instead of plastic? Cars made of metal instead of plastic? Never say, "never". 😉

BrianL99 09-05-2025 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2458989)
Second biggest.
Climate change is #1.
I'll believe it when the elites who go on about it stop flying in private jets.

I put "Recycling" at number one, because it started before the "Climate Change" scam ... but there's no question they're the biggest scams of our lives.

FredMitchell 09-05-2025 04:58 AM

Never say, "never".

That;s funny. Never say "never" only once?

Keith1911 09-05-2025 04:59 AM

Paper or plastic...
 
I remember being shamed into choosing plastic over paper 20 years ago...you know save the rain forest and all. How is that working out for us???

Caymus 09-05-2025 05:55 AM

Many stores "Up North" charge 10 cents for each paper bag.

Caymus 09-05-2025 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith1911 (Post 2459006)
I remember being shamed into choosing plastic over paper 20 years ago...you know save the rain forest and all. How is that working out for us???

I remember people taking both types. They would put the paper bag inside the plastic bag, so they had "handles".

RoseyRed 09-05-2025 06:22 AM

Years ago, paper was used prior to plastic bags. Paper would be much better for the environment, but getting the general population to use it is a challenge.

RoseyRed 09-05-2025 06:23 AM

wow! did not know that

La lamy 09-05-2025 06:44 AM

Years ago up north, they started charging 5 cents per plastic bag which led a lot of people to reuse. Now most grocery stores don't even offer plastic bags. You bring your own, or pay for a sturdy reusable bag.
As far as garbage is concerned, I agree, plastic bags are necessary. But I strongly disagree with the grocery size plastic bags being used for single use dog waste. What a waste!!! Even the smaller grocery veggie bags or buying dog waste bags seems a lot more reasonable IMHO.

RoboVil 09-05-2025 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2458953)
Something to think about?

This won't make my Top 1000 things to think about, it's all fake news.

Not fake news as far as consumption of the microplastics and the disruption of hormones from them. If you want to avoid ingesting microplastics, avoid buying those plastic bottles with water. Also, as an aside, tea bags have microplastics, but are destroyed by heating, so brew your tea.

paulajr 09-05-2025 07:01 AM

All of our trash is burned so this is not an issue


Quote:

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2458956)
If you keep them out of the garbage, then what do you do with them, when it's time to discard them (if they get torn, or dirty)?

Something you can do, when it is time to toss them in the trash - is cut the handles. It prevents critters from sticking their heads through the hole and being unable to dislodge the bag from their neck. You should do that with 6-pack plastic doodads as well.


Mrfriendly 09-05-2025 07:24 AM

Still can’t figure out why I have to buy plastic bags for my garbage can up here in New Jersey when we used to get them for free at the grocery store check out. Uggh

ThirdOfFive 09-05-2025 07:52 AM

[QUOTE=Darield;2458944]Lately I have been getting feeds on my phone about foods and products to avoid to reduce our consumption of micro plastics.

2025 hurricane season has been incredibly slow.

luvdancin 09-05-2025 08:33 AM

Just had to comment
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Darield (Post 2458944)
Lately I have been getting feeds on my phone about foods and products to avoid to reduce our consumption of micro plastics. So this has obviously become a problem since we are even finding this nasty stuff in our livestock our soil
and of course The Ocean. I decided to ask several stores how many plastic bags they go through a day and the common answer was between 4-7,000 A DAY! I then looked up approximately how may grocery stores are in Florida? Approximately 20,000. If I multiply 20,000 x 3,000 bags (a very conservative number). Just in Florida we are using approximately 60 million plastic bags a day!! We don't have the manpower to recycle this plastic (latest figures are between 5 and 6% gets recycled) so the majority ends up in landfills, the ocean or best yet, we burn it in huge trash facilities. Please use reusable grocery bags.
If this interests you, here are some links to read more;
5 Things You Need to Know About How Florida Banned Plastic Bags - Debris Free Oceans
plastic-bags/https://www.npr.org/2022/10/24/1131131088/recycling-plastic-is-practically-impossible-and-the-problem-is-getting-worsehttps://shunpoly.com/article/how-much-of-the-usas-plastic-is-recycled

I just had to comment on this. I lived in CA for 25 years. They did away with bags. So, you have these people who bring gross, cockroach infested, meat juice covered bags that are left in their filthy trunk. Those bags go on the counter contaminatinating everything else. Just saying that it was not a good thing. I use my bags in the car, waste baskets and over and over again. I was SO happy that FL didn't do away with their bags.

shut the front door 09-05-2025 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2459002)
I put "Recycling" at number one, because it started before the "Climate Change" scam ... but there's no question they're the biggest scams of our lives.

2020 says hello!

nn0wheremann 09-05-2025 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darield (Post 2458944)
Lately I have been getting feeds on my phone about foods and products to avoid to reduce our consumption of micro plastics. So this has obviously become a problem since we are even finding this nasty stuff in our livestock our soil and of course The Ocean. I decided to ask several stores how many plastic bags they go through a day and the common answer was between 4-7,000 A DAY! I then looked up approximately how may grocery stores are in Florida? Approximately 20,000. If I multiply 20,000 x 3,000 bags (a very conservative number). Just in Florida we are using approximately 60 million plastic bags a day!! We don't have the manpower to recycle this plastic (latest figures are between 5 and 6% gets recycled) so the majority ends up in landfills, the ocean or best yet, we burn it in huge trash facilities. Please use reusable grocery bags.
If this interests you, here are some links to read more;
5 Things You Need to Know About How Florida Banned Plastic Bags - Debris Free Oceans
plastic-bags/https://www.npr.org/2022/10/24/1131131088/recycling-plastic-is-practically-impossible-and-the-problem-is-getting-worsehttps://shunpoly.com/article/how-much-of-the-usas-plastic-is-recycled

Repurpose them as trash can liners and make energy with the garbage collection

defrey12 09-05-2025 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2458948)
Sorry, but I like the plastic bags and I will keep using them.

Me too...

fdpaq0580 09-05-2025 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by defrey12 (Post 2459134)
Me too...

Most all of us will. But, like alcohol or tobacco, doesn’t mean it's a good thing.

fdpaq0580 09-05-2025 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nn0wheremann (Post 2459097)
Repurpose them as trash can liners and make energy with the garbage collection

Energy? How? How much? Any "waste" or "byproducts" with that? Like smoke, soot, toxic run-off, etc containing microplastics? Inquiring minds want to know!

Pugchief 09-05-2025 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by La lamy (Post 2459028)
But I strongly disagree with the grocery size plastic bags being used for single use dog waste. What a waste!!! Even the smaller grocery veggie bags or buying dog waste bags seems a lot more reasonable IMHO.

I agree. I use the produce bags as a first choice. As a second option, I cut the grocery size bags in half vertically, giving me 2 poop bags for the price of none. Not good for leash walks, but work great for picking up in your own yard.

Pugchief 09-05-2025 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luvdancin (Post 2459083)
I lived in CA for 25 years. They did away with bags. So, you have these people who bring gross, cockroach infested, meat juice covered bags that are left in their filthy trunk. Those bags go on the counter cross-contaminating everything else.

Ah yes, the infamous unintended consequences of "great ideas".

Pugchief 09-05-2025 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2459145)
Most all of us will. But, like alcohol or tobacco, doesn’t mean it's a good thing.

Less pollution is always preferrable to more. I am certain that smart humans or AI will devise a better alternative at some point. Until then, we're still going to need plastics even if they're less than ideal.

OrangeBlossomBaby 09-05-2025 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2459147)
Energy? How? How much? Any "waste" or "byproducts" with that? Like smoke, soot, toxic run-off, etc containing microplastics? Inquiring minds want to know!

The company Waste Management (the garbage truck people) has an waste to energy program, which replaces recycling. You can look it up on their website, but basically -

they incinerate the trash, with a closed system. So the exhaust from the burning process is now energy, which fuels the system, allowing them to burn more trash. There's zero exhaust in the air, zero pollution, zero water pollution, zero runoff, zero smoke. It's all incinerated.

There are two different types of ash that result from the process, and each are handled slightly differently. You can read about it here:
What Happens To Waste To Energy Incineration Ash? | This Is Eco

Pretty interesting stuff.

LindenLindy 09-05-2025 03:32 PM

Paper (bags) is natural… Plastic is not and NEVER breaks down.

Velvet 09-05-2025 03:54 PM

Except in TV where it is incinerated for energy recovery, so it also lowers our hydro costs and the toxic gases are captured by the modern plant. I know the “never break down” theory but that happens only if you throw plastic in landfill etc.

shaw8700@outlook.com 09-05-2025 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luvdancin (Post 2459083)
I just had to comment on this. I lived in CA for 25 years. They did away with bags. So, you have these people who bring gross, cockroach infested, meat juice covered bags that are left in their filthy trunk. Those bags go on the counter contaminatinating everything else. Just saying that it was not a good thing. I use my bags in the car, waste baskets and over and over again. I was SO happy that FL didn't do away with their bags.

I was too!

Villager1977 09-05-2025 06:18 PM

Abundance of Love can use all plastic bags
 
Abundance of Love meets at several of the rec centers. Everglades on the first and third Monday. Plastic grocery bags are recycled into mats for the homeless. Please look at their website for all they do for charitable organizations.


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