Charlie Kirk shooter turned in by his family.
 

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Dirtbag.

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It always angers me when the culprit of the crime becomes more famous than his or her victim. Hopefully they can keep the focus on Charlie Kirk rather than the alleged murderer.

I really liked what the Utah Governor said about this tragedy. It showed some wisdom.


I went to BYU Law School for a short time in 1982 on a Merit Scholarship. This cut the tuition to that of a Mormon but I have never been a Mormon. I did like the people in Utah I met quite a bit but the recently covert to Mormonism Puerto Rican dancer roommate would have been a big problem as he saw me as a challenge as someone he could convert.

BYU is in Provo which is not too far from where the Charlie Kirk shooting occurred in Orem.Utah Valley University - Wikipedia

The assassination of Charlie Kirk is no different than the slaying of another partisan political speaker. Martin Luther King Jr. Two brave, passionate people peacefully trying to engage the citizenry to influence politics who were both slain by an assassins bullet in a public place.

Imagine discussion of that being curtailed and censored in 1968, upon which side of history would they have ended, how well would those actions have aged? How about discussions of 9/11?

Imagine public figures and people in authority (teachers, professionals, elected officials) mocking the death and cheering the murder of MLK Jr. Absolutely repulsive and disgusting.

I argue this topic is not about politics, it is about current events. No one is arguing about elections or abortions, Republicans vs Democrats, etc. This is a discussion about a very public assassination of a peaceful citizen expressing their opinions in a public place, a place noted especially for being a bastion of freedom of expression and freedom of thought and for encouraging debate - a college campus.

They are not really comparable. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a leader known throughout the world. A great man.

I never heard of Charlie Kirk before yesterday. I know very little about him. I would need to see some transcripts of his interactions with students to see how much of a dialogue he was creating. Facts matter.


This thread is about the shooting of Charlie Kirk and its aftermath. A current event in the news quite a bit.

Personally I'd rather put the focus on Matthew Silverstone and whoever else was shot at Evergreen High School in Colorado, the same day that Kirk was shot in Utah. And if you sincerely didn't want to draw more attention to Kirk's shooter, you probably might have considered /not/ creating a thread that focuses on it.

Then go ahead and start a thread on the Evergreen HS shooter. This thread addresses Charlie Kirk's assassin being turned in by his family.

It was on the major channels NBC, CBS, ABC and CNN among others. Personally I would love to see more focus on solutions to school shootings. They must be parents ' worst nightmare in 2025.

I would argue these issues largely started when the number of two-parent involved households declined, the removal of moral religious codes from schools became commonplace, and the rapid uncontrolled access to violent video games, movies, and pornography became commonplace.

Solutions to these tragic events start there, in my opinion. Secondary steps include the cessation of "My child is special, unique, and my best friend who can do whatever they want" mindsets (often fed by Montessori type education plans) coupled with the encouragement and fostering of a sense of community and reliance on one-another. Ya know, like scouting programs used to do until those were demonized as well.

What we are experiencing is the snowballed consequences of decades of policies. Policies that removed parents, citizenship, accountability, and religion from education programs and instead injected other, ummm, philosophies of individualism, elitism, nihilism, identity=everything thought, and Marxism.

It does not sound like you heard the Utah Governors speech about this very thing? He did address this.

When I was a kid we played cowboys and indians, and cops and robbers. We did not start shooting people in real life. We did not have any access to guns. These days, guns are easy to get. People leave them in their house and don't lock them up. They leave them in their car.

Kirk is/was controversial. You can make your own judgement on his views.

Charlie Kirk in his own words: ‘prowling Blacks’ and ‘the great replacement strategy’ | Charlie Kirk shooting | The Guardian


Kirk said this :
On gun violence

I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.

– Event organized by TPUSA Faith, the religious arm of Kirk’s conservative group Turning Point USA, on 5 April 2023

I will have to try to see all of his speech.

Don't forget the two politicians in Minnesota. No rioting, no burning, no flag at half mast.

I will keep my comments short & to the point: Without naming names.

This all started back in the year " 1996 " Then onto " January 20th 2009 --- January 20th 2016 ", all part of a Master Plan. Without naming a person or persons.

The Plan ? Interrupted from January 20th 2016 to January 19th 2020. Back on Track from January 20th, 2020 until January 19th 2025

January 20th 2025, The plan is to undue " 1996 " thru to " January 19th 2025 ". Not easy as we are finding out.....The " Hard Way ".

Taken into account the interruption from January 20th 2016 - January 19th 2020.

I knew little of him before yesterday, however, from what I have learned, I do not believe he was a patriot deserving of a flag at half staff and the medal of freedom. He was, evidently, a very skilled speaker who appealed to many young people. I do not agree with his beliefs. I don't condone violence, however, I have no sympathy for a man who has no empathy.

They handled that very well in Minnesota. Kind of what I expected from living there for a little over five years.

I don't see how you can equate Charlie Kirk with MLK. Martin Luther King was about inclusion, love and equal rights. Charlie Kirk was not about inclusion and certainly not equal rights.

Well, I personally do not want to go back to a time when blacks, gays and trans were not equal. I thought we had evolved but people like Charlie want us to go backward. I do not want your religion shoved down my throat.

It isn’t about politics and it isn’t about guns. How do these people get so deranged that they think it is ok to go out and kill people they don’t agree with.

The Golden Rule | Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy


This was s a very interesting and useful article on the Golden Rule.

One can't equate them. Charlie was a wonderful man.

On the other hand despite his carefully manicured public image MLK was a notorious plagiarist and ... https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs...00020010-0.pdf

Yours is the second of where it's said, "I've never heard of Charlie Kirk until today".....I was somewhat taken a back as he's been in the news multiple times before this horrendous deed. Did I "follow" him...no.....but I do hold the same values. THIS was a horrible deed that affects all of us. I can't even think about the people who were there to see it. How does one un-see something like that. I'd read his wife was there too. Inexplicable to even comprehend!! Charlie has planted "seeds" that I hope will take deep roots and grow---both politically and spiritually---mostly spiritually.

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Once again a simple reminder without name a person or persons.

It all began in " 1996 "..it set in motion " The Master Plan " . Read my post above ! :read:

WHEN did Charlie EVER say this stuff???? I simply love how some here truly make things up or echo lies from "sources". It's irritating, destructive, and continues the HATE leading to violence.
Please respond with FACTS!!!!!

I do not watch FOX nor MSNBC. Usually just one of the nightly news stations at 6:30.

These shootings occur rather often now. Not sure what is different with this one? Maybe it is time to start doing something practical to curtail this violence. Practical steps. Pragmatism rather than fantaticism.

That is absolutely ridiculous. The only master plan any of these politicians have is getting re-elected.

Charlie Kirk - Wikipedia


I did find this informative.


Killing of Charlie Kirk - Wikipedia

Mr. Kirk did make these kind of statements according to Wikipedia which usually links stuff to articles. Charlie Kirk - Wikipedia


But no words should result in the killing of another human being.

Judge Kirk by his own words and make your own judgement.

Charlie Kirk in his own words: ‘prowling Blacks’ and ‘the great replacement strategy’ | Charlie Kirk shooting | The Guardian

Do you get the newspaper? What nightly news do you watch? CNN? It's been ALL OVER! So you may be uninformed but able to make comments re this topicPractical steps would begin by being informed and possibly commenting rationally. Sorry to be harsh but.....

Love it... "Kind of" statements. Please research and provide FACTS. I'm so tired of this slamming of an assassination viction. Yes blame Both Kennedy's, MLK, and ALMOST our President for theirs.... The KIND OF statements are in the eyes, ears, and brains of the beholder. Statements can be SO mistrued. I find so many of these comments beyond belief. Not rational.

That is like depending upon Pravda and Izvestia for "the news" when one lived back in the day in the USSR. lol

Possibly because they are informed by the people they're killing, that deaths are an unfortunate but acceptable consequence of protecting their right to bear arms.

BTW wikipedia is not truly a good source, can be so biased. They were considering deleting 'Kirk Killing' from their feed....

I have ZERO idea what this means. Please be rational.

NOW I hope the Mods shut this silliness down!!!!!

On gun violence.. Kirk said:

I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.

– Event organized by TPUSA Faith, the religious arm of Kirk’s conservative group Turning Point USA, on 5 April 2023

How sick do you have to be to want to kill someone to prove a point. Sane people do not kill others for no reason.

Wikipedia is not a reliably unbiased source. Their leanings have been admitted and reported upon many times. When the "editors" of a page describe a conservative as "controversial" and refers to his exposing of radical professors as "harassment" (he isn't screaming for people to confront them in public to yell at them when they are eating out with family or getting gas, to give them no safe spaces - that was Maxine Waters), they are being slanted. When nearly half the country's population agrees with him, it is hard to justifiably call his opinions "controversial." Unless you're a wikipedia editor, that is.

They heavily edit and then if you go into add or correct you get banned and your edits removed. Ask me how I know - and it wasn't even a bias edit, I was adding a famous person to a town's "Notable People From There" feature, but he was a WWII hero and CMOH winner, so they did not want to add him. There is even a warning on the Charlie Kirk page stating the page is "heavily edited" (their bold and emphasis, not mine).

Wikipedia is biased. They are little different than that other once-reliably-neutral-but-no-longer website, snopes.

Bottom Line: Charlie Kirk and Martin Luther King jr. were two people who were killed because of their beliefs.

Did opposing views make one of them more or less deserving of death than the other?