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eweissenbach 02-24-2011 08:00 PM

I have learned to stay away from politics
 
and I have not gotten on the political forum, even to eavesdrop. Why? because experience has taught me that I will form negative opinions about some people that I might otherwise find good company. My best friend of almost 40 years and I would not agree on very much politically, but we stay away from those conversations and are in every other way perfectly compatible.

I frequented a political board during the last general election, and found myself getting so wraught up about the conversations (if you can call them that) that my blood pressure would go through the roof. I also found that there was no argument persuasive enough that I could change anyone on the other sides mind even a little bit, nor they mine. Therefore it becomes nothing more than an intellectual tug-of-war with no one budging the rope a millimeter.

Some of the recent threads about the Morse activities have reminded me how polarizing political issues can become, with few winners and lots of losers and collateral damage.

pooh 02-24-2011 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by eweissenbach (Post 333508)
and I have not gotten on the political forum, even to eavesdrop. Why? because experience has taught me that I will form negative opinions about some people that I might otherwise find good company. My best friend of almost 40 years and I would not agree on very much politically, but we stay away from those conversations and are in every other way perfectly compatible.

I frequented a political board during the last general election, and found myself getting so wraught up about the conversations (if you can call them that) that my blood pressure would go through the roof. I also found that there was no argument persuasive enough that I could change anyone on the other sides mind even a little bit, nor they mine. Therefore it becomes nothing more than an intellectual tug-of-war with no one budging the rope a millimeter.

Some of the recent threads about the Morse activities have reminded me how polarizing political issues can become, with few winners and lots of losers and collateral damage.

Without a doubt, what you say is so true. The other board I spend time on also has a political forum and in addition to those of us from the USA, we have others from Europe, Great Britain, Australia. Add their feelings and emotions to a volatile topic and you can't help but get burned, even if you're on other forums... ;) Those same individuals post on our general conversation forum as well as the main board, (originally set up to discuss everything, but now is mostly for extremely intellectual and deep topics,) and you share friendship and laughter. Actually, we've been together as a group for over 11 years, and few of us have met in real life....maybe that makes a difference....we can call each other names one minute and the next, share the joy of one of our members becoming a grandparent, a parent, getting a new job, getting a new puppy....everyday life.

Isn't it funny how a message board can ignite such feelings?.....good as well as bad.

graciegirl 02-24-2011 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by eweissenbach (Post 333508)
and I have not gotten on the political forum, even to eavesdrop. Why? because experience has taught me that I will form negative opinions about some people that I might otherwise find good company. My best friend of almost 40 years and I would not agree on very much politically, but we stay away from those conversations and are in every other way perfectly compatible.

I frequented a political board during the last general election, and found myself getting so wraught up about the conversations (if you can call them that) that my blood pressure would go through the roof. I also found that there was no argument persuasive enough that I could change anyone on the other sides mind even a little bit, nor they mine. Therefore it becomes nothing more than an intellectual tug-of-war with no one budging the rope a millimeter.

Some of the recent threads about the Morse activities have reminded me how polarizing political issues can become, with few winners and lots of losers and collateral damage.

You are very wise indeed Coach.

eweissenbach 02-24-2011 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 333525)
You are very wise indeed Coach.

Nah - I defer to your wiseness Gracious Gracie!:)

Talk Host 02-24-2011 08:53 PM

I'm afraid that talking about not talking about politics is talking about politics. Watch this thread slide right down to the political forum. Wanna Bet?:ho:

eweissenbach 02-24-2011 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Talk Host (Post 333537)
I'm afraid that talking about not talking about politics is talking about politics. Watch this thread slide right down to the political forum. Wanna Bet?:ho:

It is talking ABOUT politics, but not talking politics. If it slides to the political forum, so be it, I will not be following it over there.

redwitch 02-24-2011 09:47 PM

I love talking politics. I can learn from someone who has opposing views. I don't care that I can't change someone's mind and vice versa, I just want to hear all sides. Who knows, I might ultimately discover I'm wrong.

What I can't handle is name calling and an absolute refusal to listen to the other side. Sadly, that's what happens in most political forums. I tried our political forum, which actually started out being a lot of fun and the discussions were informative and not at all mean-spirited. Sadly, that changed and I left it and have no intention of going back.

I do understand the refusal to discuss politics, but if they're not discussed, how do you hear and learn of opposing viewpoints?

eweissenbach 02-24-2011 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 333562)
I love talking politics. I can learn from someone who has opposing views. I don't care that I can't change someone's mind and vice versa, I just want to hear all sides. Who knows, I might ultimately discover I'm wrong.

What I can't handle is name calling and an absolute refusal to listen to the other side. Sadly, that's what happens in most political forums. I tried our political forum, which actually started out being a lot of fun and the discussions were informative and not at all mean-spirited. Sadly, that changed and I left it and have no intention of going back.

I do understand the refusal to discuss politics, but if they're not discussed, how do you hear and learn of opposing viewpoints?

I too love talking politics.......in person, with people who I respect, and who respect me. On an anonymous board it invariably degenerates into name calling and ad hominem attacks with only the loudest and most strident voices surviving.

Tom Hannon 02-25-2011 06:08 AM

Congratulations on Pooh's 1000 post. She is now golden.

graciegirl 02-25-2011 07:26 AM

Pooh was ALWAYS golden and studded with diamonds.

I love her. Yes I do.

duffysmom 02-25-2011 11:54 AM

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skyguy79 02-25-2011 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by duffysmom (Post 333726)
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I never heard of the ... Party, but I'll bet that they always gets their points across? :throwtomatoes:

redwitch 02-25-2011 12:04 PM

... or maybe they're just pointless?

ssmith 02-25-2011 10:50 PM

I wonder
 
Seems that it is too easy to misunderstand a person in the written word. I mean I have posted on this forum and have been misunderstood....I don't try to defend myself too often...just wish people knew me and then they would know that I don't judge people. Seems the same difference in talking politics. For example we are avid Purdue fans and our rival is Indiana University and while I don't like that school....I sure do have some good IU fan friends....so we disagree but that does not mean I write that person off...which seems to be the way it goes often with controversial topics.

katezbox 02-26-2011 12:02 PM

One thing I have noticed - as Coach points out, is that sometimes the discussions only generate heat...not light...

I enjoy reading Red's posts - though I frequently disagree - but she backs up her comments with facts and reason. And by facts, I don't mean Chris, Keith, Glenn or Sean.

Like Coach I stay away from the political forum for a reason... many of the posters there suffer from terminal logorrhea - and think that agreement by other posters indicates that they are "right" (i.e. correct), when in fact they are preaching to a mainly like-minded choir who believe everything they hear and even every e-mail they receive.

RichieLion 02-26-2011 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by katezbox (Post 333953)
One thing I have noticed - as Coach points out, is that sometimes the discussions only generate heat...not light...

I enjoy reading Red's posts - though I frequently disagree - but she backs up her comments with facts and reason. And by facts, I don't mean Chris, Keith, Glenn or Sean.

Like Coach I stay away from the political forum for a reason... many of the posters there suffer from terminal logorrhea - and think that agreement by other posters indicates that they are "right" (i.e. correct), when in fact they are preaching to a mainly like-minded choir who believe everything they hear and even every e-mail they receive.

Quite judgmental for "non-political" poster. Very nice the way you've insulted every one you don't agree with; and you talk about the "political posters"?
Very ironic.

Talk Host 02-26-2011 12:29 PM

This thread is getting real close to the edge? :boxing2:

BowleesCreekYachtClub 02-26-2011 12:31 PM

We took a trip out west in 2006 and parts of it were on the old Butterfield Trail that the stage coaches used to take between Missouri and San Francisco. The 2,800-mile run was made in 25 days - guaranteed. I know this because alongside the modern highway there are rest stops giving details of the old trail and at one of them they had a facsimile of the stage coach ticket - on the back of the ticket in large letters was printed "Please do not discuss politics or religion".

Xavier 02-26-2011 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by katezbox (Post 333953)
One thing I have noticed - as Coach points out, is that sometimes the discussions only generate heat...not light...

I enjoy reading Red's posts - though I frequently disagree - but she backs up her comments with facts and reason. And by facts, I don't mean Chris, Keith, Glenn or Sean.

Like Coach I stay away from the political forum for a reason... many of the posters there suffer from terminal logorrhea - and think that agreement by other posters indicates that they are "right" (i.e. correct), when in fact they are preaching to a mainly like-minded choir who believe everything they hear and even every e-mail they receive.

What a stunningly accurate description. :bowdown::agree:

Xavier

2BNTV 02-27-2011 10:41 AM

No matter what views are expressed and disagreed with, "A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still".

I have my views that will only change when I decide they should be changed.

I have never been on the political forum and have no desire to. I want to live in harmony and look for the good in people.

graciegirl 02-27-2011 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by 2BNTV (Post 334148)
No matter what views are expressed and disagreed with, "A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still".

I have my views that will only change when I decide they should be changed.

I have never been on the political forum and have no desire to. I want to live in harmony and look for the good in people.

YOU are who I strive to be like.

Every morning.

And I think you are so right.

And I hope you will be my friend.

2BNTV 02-27-2011 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 334153)
YOU are who I strive to be like.

Every morning.

And I think you are so right.

And I hope you will be my friend.

Gracie:

I am your friend and always will be your friend.

Isn't life difficult enough without adding an unhappy experience to another person?

Just sayin..........

billethkid 02-27-2011 10:47 PM

I continue to have to smile and sometimes break out laughing
 
when in the so called non political forums...those who maintain they are above it all (political forum) because of the lack of "harmony" and "good people" is down right ......well laughable

:rolleyes:

btk

cabo35 02-27-2011 11:38 PM

Taking cheap shots at the folks who enjoy the political forum from the relative safety of the general discussion forum is like taking shots at the enemy from the safety of a holy shrine where you know you will be reasonably safe from return fire. Oops....did someone just return fire.

It might be time to banish this thread to the political forum where everyone can play on a level playing field.

The important thing is to have fun wherever you choose to engage. My mother was a Boston Kennedy Democrat who worked on his campaign. My father was a Goldwater Conservative. Table talk was always interesting, spirited and thought provoking. but no one ever went to bed mad. At breakfast, every Election Day, I remember them agreeing not to vote because they would only cancel each other's ballot out. I suspect they always voted anyway. They were good people. I loved them both.

RichieLion 02-27-2011 11:48 PM

This whole "holier than thou" post has been amusing, though. To read all these posts decrying the lack of civility on the political thread and all the while insulting everyone who does post there has been a very enjoyable read and an excellent example of hypocrisy. I hope it doesn't end.

Jhooman 02-28-2011 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by RichieLion (Post 333955)
Quite judgmental for "non-political" poster. Very nice the way you've insulted every one you don't agree with; and you talk about the "political posters"?
Very ironic.

Mr. Richie

Your post appears to be very defensive, maybe your feeling guilty about your past posts.

Just an observation, I could be wrong.

J::coolsmiley:

eweissenbach 02-28-2011 01:00 PM

Bille, Cabo, and Richie; No rebuttal, I will just let your comments stand as the perfect examples of why I ignore the politics forum.


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