10 Dead In Afghan "Koran Burning" Protests
 

When I read this latest story, in a glut of stories, of the ease of getting huge number of Islamists to attack, kill, and destroy the lives of people innocent of whatever slight "drove" them to their ungodly fury, I realized again that this is why I find myself not caring one bit when I hear or read of the deaths of "innocent civilians" in Middle East Operations.

They could have napalmed the whole damned mass of these protesters. I would not have cared one bit.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7310FK20110402

I think Lou says it well when he stated that extremism is horrible in any way. Of course, the extremist Muslims (radical right) are terribly wrong and I have no sympathy for them whatsoever.

It does not take much to set them off as they are looking for excuses. So, with that knowledge, why does that lunatic minister in Gainesville publically burn the Koran? He knew it would incite terrorism in some form. I think that minister should be handed over to the Muslim crowd.

Lou does say that extermism is horrible in any way. The Gainesville minister is just as extreme and should be condemned as well as the radical Muslims. I see no difference between the two.

You think the Islamics/Muslims have the right to kill/behead someone who burns a book?

You would feel the same way if someone burned a bible?

Are you willing to give up American values for any mob, or just this mob?

Tbugs

I almost never post in this forum (politics). You can not believe the Gainesville minister is just as extreme as people who behead human beings during a protest! Please reconsider your statement.

" 'The Taliban had nothing to do with this, it was a pure act of responsible Muslims,' spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid said by phone from an undisclosed location of the Mazar attack."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...2?pageNumber=2


What the heck does "act of responsible Muslims" mean in this context?

And who is Lou Tbugs? I must have missed something.

I think...that this act of burning someone's Holy book certainly did NOT make anything better and certainly made things worse.

Just leave well enough alone is what my grandmother would say.

Now the extremists are gonna be looking to do something awful some place in Florida.

Guess where we live??

Some people just like to start things. Those religious zealots in Gainesville weren't motivated by anything good as far as I can see.

We know what extreme Muslims are up to too.

Gracie.. We can no longer "adjust our actions and speech" because crazy people somewhere might get violent. Burning the Koran was a statement that he disagrees with the PARTS of that book that are inspiring violence. The violent response to his actions PROVES his point. Those extremists are using that book to justify VIOLENCE. I did not see liberals condemning burning of bibles, or terrible depictions of Jesus, Mary, and the Christian religion. Liberals trumpeted free speech in response to those acts BECAUSE Christians do not react violently, they turn the other cheek. We cannot tell people dont use your free speech because someone will react VIOLENTLY. That is exactly what those VIOLENT people are hoping to accomplish.

Well...it also may be testosterone rather than estrogen (the little I have left) speaking for us.

Fight and defend vs. nurture and protect.

It doesn't seem right to me.

Plus when you start pounding Holy Scripture and quoting, that gets real messy and open to interpretation.

I know which part of the Quran you don't like. I don't like it either, but what a mess we have now...and right here in Florida.

I don't like other people starting fights for me.

Plus...you know what it says in the Bible, "A meek answer turneth away all wrath," and "Turn the other cheek.."

The "eye for an eye" is in there too, but like most people I choose what supports my views.

OH MY, now I am quoting Scripture. Not like me at all.

There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in 'A,' 'B,' 'C,' and 'D.' Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?

That sounds right to me. I do not think anyone has the right to push their religion on another. I suppose that everyone thinks that he or she has the right faith and is on the right path.

As my Aunt Jane always told me, "There are a lot of sincere people in Hell".

I am just not as religious as I was when I was younger. I feel bad about that.

Parkersburg,

I am not going to preach religion to anyone - but I feel bad when someone says they are atheist. Try church again. Okay, that is it. No replies on this, please, by anyone.

Why would you be removed for this honest post?

I think I am more disenchanted with the "institutional church" and I don't like to mention that I don't go to church, because than that is a worry and a sadness to friends who truly care for me and who believe it would be better if I did. I don't feel guilty not going.

But I still believe that people should not harm or hurt others, take from them in any way and that I should try to help others always if I can. I think that if God lives he walks among us and we have a chance to help him do good stuff if we want to. Although I believe this, I fall short every day.

Parkersburg,

Lou, I truly apologize for thinking you said atheist. I misunderstand your posting.

As for sitting down to dinner with Terry Jones or Osama? Neither one!

Me too. Helene had her cat scan for recheck of lung nodules this morning.

So my friends, if you pray, I am asking for some.

Terry Jones
 

I was reading about Terry Jones not apologizing for his Koran burning. It seems to me that he broke the law in his action. The action was displaying a pistol in a church. I believe it is against Florida law to bring a firearm into a church - even if a person has a license to carry a weapon.

Also, his church is only about 25 people. This man is a lunatic and a criminal.

Really don't care about this guy. At most Jones is a nut job with not a lick of common sense. But, BUT!!!, he only "burned a BOOK"; an inanimate object. I'll buy you another one if you're that upset.

He didn't shoot innocent people and believe it to be God's will; he didn't behead innocent people and believe it to be God's will. That was done by the fanatic EVIL practitioners of radical Islam to innocent people who had no idea what the fury was about.

There is no way to compare the two factions.

Absolutely.

Is it time to stop talking about Muslim extremists?
 

We have been repeatedly told that Islam is a religion of peace while the evidence shows that this is anything but the truth. The slaughter of the UN workers is only the latest example that Muslim extremism is the real picture of much of Islam.

We need to accept that 9/11 was widely applauded in much of the Muslim world; the government of Afghanistan and other Islamic nation’s laws not only endorse but require the killing of anyone who dares to convert to a religion other than Islam; when a Danish cartoonist satirized the ‘Prophet’ Mohammad Muslims rioted the world over and he still needs to live in fear of Muslims following their cleric’s teaching to kill him. I can go on and on with Theo Van Gogh, Salman Rushdie, whose death was required by the highest levels of Islam, Ayatollah Khomeini and continues to this day.

Islam is fundamentally opposed to freedom of religion and freedom of speech. The number of Islamic nations that accept these concepts are few if not nonexistent. Religious freedom is something Muslims grab eagerly onto in western nations but absolutely reject in Islamic nations. The same is true for freedom of speech and press. Try taking your own bible into Saudi Arabia or establishing a Christian medical clinic in Indonesia. You will then come to understand how much Muslims buy into freedom.

I know that this post will have others label me as a bigot. This post is, understatedly, politically incorrect. I fear that unless we are willing to clearly face and state the truth that it is not just the ‘extremists’ that want to destroy us, this country and the western world will be slowly suffocated by Sharia.

Then I should judge all Christianity by the examples of the pedophile priests.

You DO know that Indonesia - A MUSLIM COUNTRY (where there are more Muslims than anywhere else in the world) - is figthing against the extremists, don't you?

It is just a book.

But to all of us, some inanimate objects mean a lot of very sacred things.

Destruction of those "things" can bring us to tears or anger.

A wedding ring, an American Flag, a Bible, a first Communion book, a rosary, pictures of our children, pictures of our parents who are gone, a cross, ...a star of David...

If any of those things were destroyed JUST because of hatred, it would make the owner want to fight.

My point was originally that this book, THIS book was burnt just to incite attention and to begin a huge fiasco that could have been avoided.

It goes against anything I have learned that is right.

False analogy and you know it.
 

If Christians responded to the Pedophile priests by saying the priests were only reacting to what muslims did in the Mideast, or if Christians failed to condemn the priests because they were afraid other priests would kill them, I would agree with you.

Your analogy is false and you know it.
JJ

First, let me say that burning a book is a stupid thing to do, especially one that is considered sacred, such as a bible or a koran. Does it justify or excuse murder?

Gracie; are you saying you understand why Muslims would riot and kill innocent people because somebody burned a book?

Really? When has that happened in response to any example you cited, other that the evil people who rioted in Afghanistan and beheaded innocent UN workers?

Burn a book?; kill an innocent? You can't tell me you don't see where the true evil lies.

My answer is still the same. Two wrongs don't make a right. Even if the wrongs are VERY unequal. I cannot see where starting this, burning the Quran was right, when the person knew that it would incite an awful outcome.

I will say it again.

It is just a book.

But to all of us, some inanimate objects mean a lot of very sacred things.

Destruction of those "things" can bring us to tears or anger.

A wedding ring, an American Flag, a Bible, a first Communion book, a rosary, pictures of our children, pictures of our parents who are gone, a cross, ...a star of David...

If any of those things were destroyed JUST because of hatred, it would make the owner want to fight.

My point was originally that this book, THIS book was burnt just to incite attention and to begin a huge fiasco that could have been avoided.

It goes against anything I have learned that is right.

so if
 

So if Christians respond with riot and murder to the next "art" exhibit sponsored by the National endowment to the "ARTS", you will say the same thing.. I doubt it.
Of course you do not have to worry about it because Christians are Christians, and you know that.
JJ

Tears or anger.......... Well now........... if that's all the reaction the Muslims had when someone insulted them we wouldn't be having this discussion. If that's all that happened we would all just be talking about the insensitivity of an ignorant preacher named Jones.

Well, that's not what happened and what did happen makes even the term "pales in comparison" totally inadequate. My point was you cannot equate one action with the other.

Bull. Cardinal Bernard Law was the first of many to tell the abused to shut up because they were making the Church look bad. They are the ones who transferred priests from parish to parish so they could rape continuously. IN the case of the first most famous case (r. James Porter) he estimated ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY boys were raped. The Pope recalled Law to the Vatican before he was to be served with a subpoena.

Christians all over Massachusetts reacted with "it's not possible!" indignation. chruch leaders told the abused that if it DID happen, they should go to counseling - TO A PRIEST!!

My point was not to equate raping children with murder.

My point was to equate judging the whole by the actions of a few.

Theoretically, I agree with you; except that in the case of Islam the few are in the millions and the rest dare not object.

Can we agree that???
 

Can we agree on this?
Burning the Koran nor the bible is the right thing to do , but it does not in any way explain or justify rioting and murder.
Do you agree and if not, why not?
JJ

Richie, you are correct on this. The killing of the UN staff in Afghanistan was an act of Islamic barbarism just as the burning of Danish embassies and other European buildings together with killings throughout the Middle East in response to the cartoons was barbaric.

The response to the pedophile priests was to use the criminal and civil court systems. What is being discussed is the reaction to acts that may be found objectionable. If Islamic standards were applied to the situation of the pedophile priests, then churches should be torched throughout the world and innocent parishioners murdered in cold blood. I say again that Islam does not accept freedom of the press, freedom of religion or freedom of expression in Muslim nations, but demands it in western nations.

Every word you say is true. Hard to argue with the truth. The only recourse is to deflect.

I am sure Christians will be rioting and murdering people all over the world over this cross burning.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/jesu...blaze-in-minn/

Either that or they will pray for peace and the soul of the person who did it.
Which do you think will happen?
JJ

Christianity had a 600+ year head-start on 'civilizing' itself.

Yep..
 

Yep.. that explains it!! the fault of our ancestors. Gee.. and I thought it might be the type of people who riot and murder. JJ