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Talk Host 04-06-2011 04:16 PM

Move over
 
The Florida Senate has passed a bill that will make it illegal to stay in the left lane on multi lane highways. It passed 37 to 1. It now goes to the house where a similar bill has already been introduced.

Man, the police will have a field day handing out tickets. There is nothing that drives me crazier than drivers that doddle in the left lane. They use it like it's the only lane available.

red tail 04-06-2011 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Talk Host (Post 344570)
The Florida Senate has passed a bill that will make it illegal to stay in the left lane on multi lane highways. It passed 37 to 1. It now goes to the house where a similar bill has already been introduced.

Man, the police will have a field day handing out tickets. There is nothing that drives me crazier than drivers that doddle in the left lane. They use it like it's the only lane available.

hallejujah !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

redwitch 04-06-2011 04:31 PM

So, when will they make it a law that big rigs have to stay in the right-hand lane unless passing? It scares me to no end to have big rigs in every lane. (But about time for this law, not that I've ever seen it do a bit of good, at leasst not in California.)

jebartle 04-06-2011 04:54 PM

I couldn't agree with you more Talk Host
 
My favorite comment, "Well, I'm doing the speed limit", and I say "Do it, in the RIGHT lane", it is not up to the individuals to police the roads, as you say, MOVE OVER....





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Originally Posted by Talk Host (Post 344570)
The Florida Senate has passed a bill that will make it illegal to stay in the left lane on multi lane highways. It passed 37 to 1. It now goes to the house where a similar bill has already been introduced.

Man, the police will have a field day handing out tickets. There is nothing that drives me crazier than drivers that doddle in the left lane. They use it like it's the only lane available.


BogeyBoy 04-06-2011 05:07 PM

My favorite is the driver that enters the highway and makes a beeline for that left lane, then drives at 55.

GeorgeT 04-06-2011 05:45 PM

So the left lane can't be used as a travel lane?? Ever?? There's got to be more to it than that.

Pturner 04-06-2011 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GeorgeT (Post 344621)
So the left lane can't be used as a travel lane?? Ever?? There's got to be more to it than that.

I think it means people can no longer picnic in the fast lane. :thumbup: It can only be used as a passing lane.

katezbox 04-06-2011 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jebartle (Post 344588)
My favorite comment, "Well, I'm doing the speed limit", and I say "Do it, in the RIGHT lane", it is not up to the individuals to police the roads, as you say, MOVE OVER....

JEB...

I agree - but only if the person in the left lane is passing another vehicle. As long as they are passing someone they have every right to be there - they shouldn't be inconvenienced by drivers who want to exceed the speed limit...

JMHO

k

brostholder 04-06-2011 06:03 PM

My pet peeve is the 18 wheeler that pulls into the left lane to pass another 18 wheeler but won't speed up enough to make the pass and winds up going down the road side by side for miles while traffic backs up behind him. I would love to hear from some of our retired over the road drivers as to why some truckers do this.

skyguy79 04-06-2011 06:24 PM

What? There wasn't a "Failure to Keep Right" law in Florida? If there was, then why the new law. If they didn't enforce the failure to keep right law, then what good does a new law do? :shocked:

Bogie Shooter 04-06-2011 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BogeyBoy (Post 344596)
My favorite is the driver that enters the highway and makes a beeline for that left lane, then drives at 55.

This is done on Buena Vista & Morse Blvd all the time....only they go 25 MPH!

redwitch 04-06-2011 06:35 PM

Sky, there wasn't a law requiring anyone to stay in the right lane except to move over for emergency vehicles.

Chief X 04-06-2011 06:42 PM

i call em mouth breathers - and the u.s. is full of them. easily recognized by hands on ten and two on the steering wheel and gaping open mouths. they haven't got a clue. it's about time florida.

BogeyBoy 04-06-2011 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by brostholder (Post 344634)
My pet peeve is the 18 wheeler that pulls into the left lane to pass another 18 wheeler but won't speed up enough to make the pass and winds up going down the road side by side for miles while traffic backs up behind him. I would love to hear from some of our retired over the road drivers as to why some truckers do this.

I think these drivers make a bad decision on when to pass. There may be a slight uphill grade that means nothing to us in our cars but slows the trucker ever so slightly so passing takes forever. They may have just heard on the CB radio that there is a trooper up ahead so they are creeping by to not look to obvious. Or maybe they just aren't paying attention to the traffic around them - or worse yet - they don't care.

Then again, I have been driving RV's of one kind or another for over 16 years and sometimes you innocently get into a situation that you wish you had avoided.

barb1191 04-06-2011 07:24 PM

How can that law be enforced when one MUST drive in the far left lane to make a left turn off of Rte 441 and any of these divided, dual lane roads????? Just askin'....

Talk Host 04-06-2011 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by barb1191 (Post 344681)
How can that law be enforced when one MUST drive in the far left lane to make a left turn off of Rte 441 and any of these divided, dual lane roads????? Just askin'....

My guess is that the law will have similar wording to that of other states, Ohio for example. Motorists may not drive in the left or passing lane for longer than two miles, or some such reasonable distance. They aren't going to tag you for making a legal left hand turn.

skyguy79 04-06-2011 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 344650)
Sky, there wasn't a law requiring anyone to stay in the right lane except to move over for emergency vehicles.

Thanks redwitch. I know there is such a law in NY because years ago I got a ticket for failure to keep right.
Never convicted of it though. Judge dismissed for extenuiting circumstances. I fell asleep! http://th492.photobucket.com/albums/...fips_sleep.gif

dpingram 04-06-2011 07:58 PM

I'm sorry this is something I have never been able to wrap my head around. If I am maintaining the posted legal speed limit and in the left lane why does someone need to pass me... unless of course they are exceeding the posted legal speed limit. How will the state troopers keep up with how many miles an individual has traveled in the left lane?

Talk Host 04-06-2011 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dpingram (Post 344695)
I'm sorry this is something I have never been able to wrap my head around. If I am maintaining the posted legal speed limit and in the left lane why does someone need to pass me... unless of course they are exceeding the posted legal speed limit. How will the state troopers keep up with how many miles an individual has traveled in the left lane?

Driving in the left lane interferes with the flow of traffic. You may be driving the speed limit, but a billion others are driving slower. Besides, it isn't up to the motoring public to provide rolling roadblocks for speeders.

A trooper will simply follow a car driving in the left lane. If the driver exceeds the legal distance, they get a ticket.

downeaster 04-06-2011 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by brostholder (Post 344634)
My pet peeve is the 18 wheeler that pulls into the left lane to pass another 18 wheeler but won't speed up enough to make the pass and winds up going down the road side by side for miles while traffic backs up behind him. I would love to hear from some of our retired over the road drivers as to why some truckers do this.

Most are paid by the mile. Most are governed at 68MPH, +or- ,and they try to squeeze out a little more to pass another who is also governed. The trucker in the right lane isn't going to slow down as he/she wants to get the miles in too. Those that pass you at a high rate of speed are usually independents. They, the indies, can be especially dangerous. Nobody at the home office checking them on a GPS. No surprise drug tests by HO safety people. And they know where the highway patrol officers are.

BTW, on a crowded highway with bumper to bumper in both lanes at near speed limit will be difficult to enforce.

RV's are sometime as guilty as truckers for hogging the passing lane. They are not governed but get out there with the big boys then get timid and or reach an upgrade and can't complete the pass.

dpingram 04-06-2011 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Talk Host (Post 344707)
Driving in the left lane interferes with the flow of traffic. You may be driving the speed limit, but a billion others are driving slower. Besides, it isn't up to the motoring public to provide rolling roadblocks for speeders.

A trooper will simply follow a car driving in the left lane. If the driver exceeds the legal distance, they get a ticket.

Just think of all the people I might be preventing from getting a speeding ticket!

I would hope that my soon to be tax dollars could be better spent getting drug dealers and child molesters off the street rather than giving a ticket because someone might be holding up speeders.

Freeda 04-06-2011 11:21 PM

Impeding the flow of traffic by staying in the left lane, even if driving at the speed limit, is also a hazard because it can delay emergency response vehicles; and there are situations, such as some medical emergencies, where even an ordinary citizen has no reasonable alternative but to speed, and is legally excused, by the doctrine of necessity, from observing the speed limit as long as they are not recklessly endangering other vehicles; and they need to be able to pass in the left lane traffic that is in the right lane, even if it is moving at the speed limit. That is another reason why the left lane is a passing lane; not a lane for continued driving.

I'll confess though that there was a time in my earlier days when I didn't realize, or at least if I did I didn't always observe, these rules (i.e., that I shouldn't keep driving in the left lane; and that being in that final stretch to get home at the end of a road trip, or not wanting to be discourteous by keeping my girls'-night-out friends waiting, did not, unfortunately for me, rise to the level of urgency that, to an officer's mind, warranted speeding, despite their politely professed empathy for my misjudgment). So, those couple of times in my life I did later wish that someone driving at the speed limit had impeded me in the left lane, and from those regrets I reformed and began reserving that lane only for passing.

Walt. 04-07-2011 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by dpingram (Post 344721)
Just think of all the people I might be preventing from getting a speeding ticket!

I would hope that my soon to be tax dollars could be better spent getting drug dealers and child molesters off the street rather than giving a ticket because someone might be holding up speeders.

I used to hear the "ticket or drug dealer" comparison all the time when I worked in Traffic Violations years ago; always by parking violators.

It made about as much sense as "You people only gave me a ticket because I have a Lamborghini (or Ferrari)." They somehow always managed to tell me how much it cost... and what important person they knew.

The concept that they should just follow the rules never came into play.

hedoman 04-07-2011 03:28 AM

Just Great.... In New Jersey there is no such thing as a right lane.Look out!

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

l2ridehd 04-07-2011 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by dpingram (Post 344695)
I'm sorry this is something I have never been able to wrap my head around. If I am maintaining the posted legal speed limit and in the left lane why does someone need to pass me... unless of course they are exceeding the posted legal speed limit. How will the state troopers keep up with how many miles an individual has traveled in the left lane?

And I have never been able to comprehend why someone would get in the left lane and stay there even driving the speed limit. It is nothing more then a power trip for them. I think these people are rude and very self centered. There are many highways in this country where if you drive the speed limit you will get run off the road. People who pull this stunt are a hazard to other drivers and are just as guilty as the people who speed. Hooray for Florida for recognizing this issue and taking action.

I set my cruise control at about 5 mph over the speed limit, stay in the right lane unless passing, and will consistently come up behind drivers in the left lane at or below the speed limit. Unless I hit the brake and hold up, or pass them on the right if other cars allow, which is another dangerous practice, they are holding up traffic flow. How many times do you see a car in the left lane that refuses to move over and several cars will be forced to pass them on the right?

Now we need a law to solve gap control at red lights. People stop at a red light, then do there nail clipping or read there e-mail or some other dumb activity so that when the light changes they allow the car in front of them to get 10 car lengths ahead before they react. If everyone maintained gap control and allowed the maximum number of cars through the light, we would save billions of gallons of fuel every year.

jblum315 04-07-2011 06:27 AM

I don't believe there was one. I have never seen a sign in Fla. as in other states that says right lane for passing only.

Talk Host 04-07-2011 06:28 AM

There is a phenomenon called "traffic shock wave." Let's say you have two cars side by side, each traveling at exactly the same speed (in this example 55 MPH). The two cars behind them cannot travel exactly the same speed, they must move at a speed slightly slower. So then, the next cars in line then must each slow even slower. Once you get to the 50th car, they are dramatically slower. 200th car....stopped.

Ever been in a long stand still on an interstate and after creeping for an hour, the traffic clears and there has been no accident to see? That is likely traffic shock wave. Somebody got into the left lane and drove exactly the same speed as the person in the right lane and bollixed up traffic for miles behind.

Hooray for the new law. :MOJE_whot:

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JLK

jblum315 04-07-2011 06:28 AM

Sorry. My bad. I meant left lane for passing only. Or keep right or whatever. No signs.

NJblue 04-07-2011 06:53 AM

It's good to see the law, but I'm with Red ... the laws that exist in other states have had zero effect in eliminating or even minimizing this problem. I see no difference in left lane hoggers in Florida than I did in NJ or NY. The only time I saw something like this work was in the UK (of course there it was the right lane that was reserved for passing).

memason 04-07-2011 07:08 AM

Illinois passed a similar law a few years ago.... Something like the 2 mile rule, without passing. In Illinois, State Troopers are the worst offenders of the law. You will NEVER see an Illinois State Trooper in the right lane...ever!

Just moved back from Germany, where it's illegal to pass on the right. Left lane cruisers are minimized, but not totally eliminated... but, most folks in the left lanes are traveling in excess of 90mph.

I made it 2 months, in the US, before I got my first speeding ticket...:( I sure do miss the autobahn....

GeorgeT 04-07-2011 07:16 AM

Does this mean that the left lane will remain unused (except for passing) during rush hour?

Hawkwind 04-07-2011 08:48 AM

Up north many times you will find the left lane smoother than the right land. Same goes for many of the interstates. One year driving to Florida on I-77 just inside the NC line the right lane was almost impossible to drive at the speed limit. You felt that you needed a dentist appointment to reset all your fillings after that trip. On the other hand the left lane was very drivable at and above the speed limit with no problems.

Here in Ohio on the local expressway the far left lane (3 lanes each direction) is far better driving than the center lane and a little better than the far right lane.

As far as speed on the local roadways the local newspaper ran an article yesterday of how the police reductions have led to a drastic reduction in speeding tickets being written over the past year or so. Yesterday I did notice a large number of flyer's well over the posted limit as they now know the odds are in their favor.

scroll 04-07-2011 04:44 PM

NJ
 
I was driving in the left lane because of it being smoother and easier to use cruise control late at night on the NJ turnpike. I had the cruise set plus 4 over the speed limit with little or no traffic in sight I got pulled over by NJ State Police. I got a ticket for driving in the left lane and not the right. It cost me $288. for a smoother ride. Not worth it.:cry:

golf2140 04-07-2011 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Talk Host (Post 344570)
The Florida Senate has passed a bill that will make it illegal to stay in the left lane on multi lane highways. It passed 37 to 1. It now goes to the house where a similar bill has already been introduced.

Man, the police will have a field day handing out tickets. There is nothing that drives me crazier than drivers that doddle in the left lane. They use it like it's the only lane available.

Amen :BigApplause:

jebartle 04-07-2011 05:46 PM

Well, dpingram
 
Drivers that go the speed limit, assuming that your car has been calibrated correctly, MIGHT just cause the driver behind you, that MIGHT be armed, to go NUTS, please, please, don't assume that everyone on the road is understanding and will follow you to the ends of the earth....



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Originally Posted by dpingram (Post 344695)
I'm sorry this is something I have never been able to wrap my head around. If I am maintaining the posted legal speed limit and in the left lane why does someone need to pass me... unless of course they are exceeding the posted legal speed limit. How will the state troopers keep up with how many miles an individual has traveled in the left lane?


dpingram 04-07-2011 06:24 PM

Omg
 
You assume that I drive in the left lane and am holding up all those speeders and crazy nuts.

Mikeod 04-08-2011 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jebartle (Post 344941)
Drivers that go the speed limit, assuming that your car has been calibrated correctly, MIGHT just cause the driver behind you, that MIGHT be armed, to go NUTS, please, please, don't assume that everyone on the road is understanding and will follow you to the ends of the earth....

My BIL was a state trooper and his observation was that left lane hogs are a significant reason for road rage and the dangerous driving that it creates by forcing people to pass on the right usually swerving and cutting off people already in the right lane.

Then there's the old joke about the driver, usually depicted as a senior, who got in the left lane in Orlando because he had to make a left turn in Sarasota.

I hope the new law has some effect, but I think it will be low on the priority of FHP officers.


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