aquitted
 

unbelievable

My son once said, "Do you know how dumb the average person is? Well, half the people are dumber than that!

Injustice for Cayley
 

How the hell did they disregard the defense' opening statement with regards to the death being a drowning? At least an admission that she (and George if you believe Baez) was present with the child when she died. Then the body was found in the woods. She should be at least guilty of manslaughter; or is that the way everyone in Florida disposes of dead children? The jury failed in it's duties because they were tired of being locked away from their families for more than a month. I guess a young childs death has little meaning as compared to getting back home. Even the "finger" in court receives a stiffer penalty.

The burden of proof is on the prosecution. It's all about the "reasonable doubt." Do you think those gloating defense attorneys have a conscience or is it all about the fame and fortune?

Having been exposed ad nauseum to the trauma and drama of the Anthony Family since 2008, I studiously tried to avoid watching any portion of the trial! The few bits which I was "forced" to see on the late news each night persuaded me that neither side had a valid case; that a thoughtful jury would, of necessity, decide that there was "reasonable doubt."

That said, I am frankly rather shocked that there seems to have been absolutely no acknowledgement that Casey must have indeed had some negative impact on poor Caylee's future! A lesser charge than murder seemed to me inevitable!

I personally applaud the jurors for their forced dedication. May they never again be required to give up their personal freedoms just so they may have to make such a terribly difficult decision!

SWR
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My feelings, exactly, Steve. There are all sorts of jokes about jurors and their mental abilities...maybe those who joke have never been selected for that civic duty. If so, they might take exception to being characterized in such a fashion. I, too, applaud them for their time served. In the minds of the jurors, guilt was not proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Frankly, I'm glad I wasn't part of that particular panel.

Casey didn't do it. She had no connection with Callie's death. Apparently, that is reasonable to believe.




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Makes me wonder how ANYONE is ever convicted of first degree murder. This certainly may prove that the old adage "crime doesn't pay" is mistaken. This woman is going to become quite wealthy before too long.

Actually does not surprise me. In the TOTV poll, 15 out of 88 votes were either innocent or not sure. That means about 1 out of 5 posters here would not convict. It takes 12 of 12 to convict.

And it took 12 of 12 to agree on each of the not guilty verdicts.


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Ever seen "Twelve Angry Men"?

Ah yes, Hollywood's version of our justice system. In that movie, the audience was certain beyond a reasonable doubt that the suspect did it. That movie played on and helped propagate the romantic and erroneous notion that a defendant must be found guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Hurray for Hollywood. :posting:

Good point.

As i heard somebody say today,"they found the only 12 people alive that still thinks the world is flat.":22yikes::confused::22yikes:

PT - I think Hollywood has a lot more impact here than that:

1. If Nancy Grace, a harpy if there ever was one, hadn't made created such a tidal wave over Caylee going missing, then perhaps the DA may have been able to try Casey without a capital murder charge. As it stood, there was too much of a spotlight on this for the state to lead with a lesser charge. As Dillywho has pointed out, what about all the other children that are missing? Where is the justice for them? The answer is in Nancy Grace's ratings based on Caylee's sweetness in her photos and videos.

2. People tend to believe that all crime scene evidence will be as clear as when it is shown on CSI. The prosecution had to meet ridiculous and impossible expectations.

3. Of course the defendant must be found guilty without any "reasonable doubt." When someone's life is at stake - reasonable gets to be a bit tougher. With a Ted Bundy and other serial killers, there is such a pattern that it is easier.

Do I believe she is connected with Caylee's death? Absolutely. Could I vote to convict her of felony murder based on the evidence presented? No.

My dad always told me that what goes around will come around. If you do a good deed - it will be paid back many times over - and vice versa. This likely is bad news for Casey.

Respect
 

No one has asked anyone to agree with the verdict. I was as surprised as most anyone when the three "Not Guilty" verdicts came in. I did not expect a guilty on Count One, but could see the possibilty on one of the other two. I am certain that she knows what happened to her child and why. She has to live with whatever that is.

What disturbs me above and beyond all else, is the lynch-mob mentality, some of which is directed at the jurors by the way, and the lack of respect being shown for our court system. Maybe it does have flaws, but the basic concept is sound. Television and all the access to what it has to offer was not even a dream when the system was born, much less a reality. There were no Nancy Graces building hatred toward someone on a nightly basis. Many have said they don't want to read the books that will surely be written or the ensuing movies because of the money to be made, but I can assure you, Nancy Grace is a whole lot more interested in her own pocketbook than any of the little Caylee Anthonys or Trenton Ducketts. The same can be said for many of the others out there. She is not alone, just the worst of the lot.

These 12 (acutally 17) people were charged with a job and did it to the best of their ability and conscience. That is more than can be said for those who refuse to even serve. I fault them for their unwillingness to do so, but in light of this, who can really blame them? They just might be on to something. Self-preservation, perhaps? Maybe they just don't think it's worth the price if their decision has to be an unpopular one.

If anyone should be faulted for the verdicts, it should be the State. They failed to prove to these jurors that she was guilty of the charges. That was and is their job. The defense has to prove absolutely nothing.

We hold ourselves up to the rest of the world as the greatest nation in the world, all the while telling them that anyone in America is to be "presumed innocent until proven guilty" and that that is part of what makes us so great. The outrage and disrepect for the very system we claim to value so highly that is being broadcast around the world screams volumes to the contrary.

This is something I feel very strongly about. (Betcha couldn't have guess that, huh?) All the ones you see on tv trashing the verdicts and especially the jurors are no better than their perception of Casey. They just want their 15 minutes of fame. When asked why she came to Subrban Drive and Hope Spring Drive, one lady said, "I just wanted to say I had been here."

I have to agree.

Angry and sad this morning, your humor is comforting.

I'm not an attorney, but it seemed to me there was a preponderance of evidence to convict, even if on a lesser charge. The defense threw in molestation and accidental drowning to create a reason to doubt-not the same as reasonable doubt. I don't believe the jury took time to thoroughly go through the evidence. The verdict came back too quickly for them to have done so. How could they not find Casey at least guilty of child neglect since she was the one responsible for her baby that was missing for 31 days while she 'conducted her own investigation.' People have had their children removed from their care for lesser offenses. That beautiful child, thrown out like garbage. It is so disgusting.

Even more disgusting was what the Chief Prosecutor said in his prepared remarks..they will now move on the prosecuting the 11 child deaths they have pending. I once heard that the character of a nation can be looked at in light of how they threat their young and their elderly. Each one of us can draw their own conclusion as to how our nation stacks up under such scrutiny.

Casey was found "not guilty" but I don't think she is innocent.

Like I said, I haven't followed every detail of this trial but this is what bothers me. I tend to think that any "normal parent" who is missing their child for even a short period of time would be frantic and trying to do everything in their power to find them.

My impression is that she is a very troubled individual who needs to get mental help in dealing with her issues.

It's too late for the adorable Caylee. So sad.

Just sayin...........

I just bumped into this when logging into my comcast account. Here is some insight from an alternate juror...

http://xfinity.comcast.net/video/ins...or/2043051118/

Dilly,

As you may have seen from my post - we seem to have dads that were made from good stuff! I think you have this absolutely right.

I too believe she was involved in whatever happened to little Caylee. But we will never know...

Kate

When I was in my teens, my father was the foreman on a jury for a murder trial in Wellsburg, WV.

When he finally came home, he said, "well, we let a murderer go free."

As a teen, I didn't understand. He explained that the prosecution's case was weaker than the defense case.

She was found not guilty but is and will always be a despicable excuse for a human being in my mind.

I agree with everything you said.........such as re the serial killers.
Plus her Karma certainly will not put her on a happy life path.

I can always see both sides of an issue and believe it or not, do not feel hate as some people feel towards her. Her pattern began in childhood due to a dysfunctional family.......it doesn't matter if the house was perfect and everything was done "right".......something in that family was very wrong.
None of them were in touch with their true feelings. I found George "odd" when he was in jail visiting and said "HELLO BEAUTIFUL". Apparently, they had been estranged.........but then Casey told him he was a wonderful Dad.
Go figure. There are people who "say all the right things" or things they think they should say............but do not mean it.

We will find out, she will get drunk at one of those nightclubs she hangs out at, and tell her "date" for the evening the whole story.She has got to tell somebody how she pulled off this despicable crime, and brag about getting away with it.It's only a matter of time before the entire story will come out, and there's not a damn thing anybody can do about it.Another jury, just like O.J.'s, where is the JUSTICE !!!!!:censored:

Casey Anthony
 

I wonder how many of those jurors would like her to babysit with their kids or grandkids?

If it was an accident why did they not own up to it? Why did she end up in a swamp?

The jurors should be ashamed of themselves.


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Aren't charges still pending regarding her using Amy Huizingas check book and stealing from her Mother and grandparents? It would be hard to believe that she will get away with stealing money.

John

Good point. In all the attention to the murder case these other charges had faded from thought. Hopefully these will keep her confined for at least a while. Probably best for her, too.

On the verdict, it is just an example that the price of freedom for all of us, to minimize the even worse tragedy of imprisonment (or even execution) of the innocent, is that sometimes wrongdoers go free. It's not a perfect system, but it still is the best on earth.

I Finally Get It
 

I finally get it..!! A poor baby has been killed so lets kill someone. It does
not matter if we can prove the person did it, it's more important that we kill
somone so we feel better. Hey, the mother has lied in her life so lets kill her
and that will make us feel better. Not sure if she killed her child but that is not important. What is important is that we kill someone so we feel better.
Can you believe 12 stupid people who heard all the evidence said we could not kill her. That is not good enough, we have to kill someone so even though those crazy people want evidence lets still kill the mother. That will make us feel better. Justice and law is not important. What is important is our feelings and we want to feel better so lets kill her.

"I consider trial by jury as the only anchor ever yet imagined by man, by which a government can be held to the principles of its
constitution." --Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Paine, 1789.

I guess Jefferson was not ready to kill someone to feel better?:read:

Where is all this coming from? Who the heck are you talking to?

Not one poster on this board said she should be killed,not one.You sound like you would have made a great juror in this case.Justice for Caylee was denied and tomorrow the killer goes free. We have been O'Jayed:mad:

I thought I was obsessed by this trial---sounds like you need to take a deep breath-----go line dancing----or play a round of golf. I don't feel Caylee got justice BUT I never wanted to "kill" her mother----I just wanted some sort of justice-- and some answers -don't think it happened--don't think I will ever have answers. Just worries me that Casey may have more children---and with her lack of morality-- her sociopathic behaviour----- she waited 31 DAYS--- 31 DAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to tell anyone that Caylee was missing and she would not have admitted to that had her parents/brother not made her admit that Caylee was missing!!! How do you explain that?????

Not sure that's true. There are other threads on this subject where some thought she should receive the death penalty if convicted.

Justice for Caylee was only denied if the person being accused was the killer. I think she was but 12 people did not think the State proved their case. Good enough for me.

Foolish to Carry on
 

It is kind of foolish to carry this any further. The last I read the State called for the death penalty. According to ABC when citizens were asked their opinion 85% said she was guilty. If the state wanted the death penalty and
most wanted her convicted I guess you could conclude a great majority wanted her "killed" in accordance with the state proposal. The jury of 12
said she had not been proved guilty and therefore should not die. They did not say she was innocent which is different. My point is that of the ones who want her "killed" as the state demanded it would only be so they feel better since the evidence, as per the jury was not there. :read:

Just FYI: Only 1 of the possible 'murder' charges carried a possible death penalty sentence. It wasn't 'either/or'.

The state brings indictments to the trial. While each charge carries potential sentences, the actual sentence is determined during the penalty phase if the defendant is convicted. In this case, there were three felony charges, each of which has potential sentences, including death. The state did not "demand" death. It presented charges, tried to prove them to be true, and would then, if it won, have entered the penalty phase to argue which sentence would be appropriate. But the state doesn't determine the sentence, the judge and jury do.

Frankly, I don't believe the state ever considered that the murder 1 charge would stick. In fact, I remember a retired judge commenting that he was surprised the trial judge did not summarily dismiss the murder 1 charge before handing the case to the jury, since the state provided no evidence that supported that charge.

Hi Kate,
We agree, especially on the your statement that I bolded. Premeditated murder clearly was not established. If she was "absolutely" connected with Caylee's death, she could have been convinced of manslaughter, i.e., causing Caylee's death by culpable negligence.

BTW, the last time I ever watched Nancy Grace was also the first time, many years ago. Regarding Hollywood's impact on the way people view our criminal justice system, we're also in agreement, which is why I commented on the movie, Twelve Angry Men.

Not exactly. If that were the median, then that would be true. It is not true of the average.

TOday's nitpick is brought to you by the letter 'g' and the number '9'.:smiley:

Well put.