The so called "debt crisis."
 

I don't know about you guys, but I'd like to send a letter to all of my representatives saying, "unless you guys get this resolved, you will all be out of office."

There's an email going around stating that instead of our representatives putting fear into the elderly by saying that Social Security checks and Medicare will not be upheld , or the checks will not be mailed out.....they should HOLD UP ALL GOVERNMENT WORKERS checks instead. This will solve the problem very quickly.....in other words, the Senators, Congressmen, etc.

Hubby adds, "All representatives should only get one term in office......if that's not possible, just do not vote them back in".

I don't know about you guys, but I'd like to send a letter to all of my representatives saying, "unless you guys get this resolved, you will all be out of office."


Or we should start flooding their offices with phone calls. I plan on doing that today after wacthing the news last night. I already have the numbers as I have done this before with other issues.

Who would of ever thought this could happen in America?

Exactly. They've had their chance to work for their constituents instead of their party first, so put them back into the real world and let them go job hunting like the rest of us..

With their generous pensions with minimal time served, there is no urgency for an employment search. Ahh pensions, another subject that gets scant attention but will have enormous consequences with our budget.

The senators and congressmen make up less than 1% or government workers, let's not penalize the other 99% for the incompetence of the less than 1%.

Penalization is problematic with the powers of their union. What percentage of unions are government "workers"

What percentage of incompetence can be found in the 99% ?

I think were mixing apples and oranges.

I meant the senators and congressmen.

Shouldn't this have gone to the political section

It's interesting to note that Obama keeps shaming the Congress for not compromising. That word was absent when he was stuffing down his health care bill.

In a word - Yes...

Good point.

I thought about that, but doesn't this transcend politics. Isn't it at the core of the very financial stability of every person in the US, which includes The Villages.

I think politics is squaring off of Ds versus Rs and libs versus conservs. This topic is about what's going to happen to your stock portfolio, your retirement, your savings, your income. Just because politicians are the ones holding our well being in the balance, doesn't make it a discussion of politics. I'm talking about the human beings sitting in those chairs in Washington, those that we put there to look after us. Now, they are screwing with us instead. Not political.

I don't think the discussion of a, say corrupt sheriff, would be political just because he/she is a democrat or republican. Sticking it in the political forum will not make it go away.

Debt Crisis
 

IMHO, not really and that's the problem. This should not be about politics but what's best for the economy as a whole. I work in a chemical plant that is going all out making over 250 million pounds of product per year. Going into billions of pounds of consumer goods per year. That being said we have the fewest employees per pound produced probably in the history of this 62 year old plant. I'm doing two jobs now but wait till I say I'm retiring! They'll be shocked! 18 month 5 days left! :D

The only reason I said this is I was told once that something was political when I thought it wasn't. If you don't want to play to your rules don't.

I concur with both Jack and Senior.

Actually, the thought of an automatic wage freeze for elected officials who fail to properly perform their duties is intriguing.

Senators and congressmen are paid to represent (serve) their constituents in particular and the American people in general, not their political party or special interests. One can clearly observe the negative ramifications that have already been incurred to date by the actions/inactions on the matter. Is a viable resolution yet on the near horizon?

Back to the pay freeze concept...play what if. On what parameters would such a measure be developed and how would it be imposed or automatically triggered? It will be interesting to see responses, don't you think?
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I am not sure that flooding the office of a federal level elected official with calls and letters would have the effect that one is looking to create. Doing so would only create more work for front line administrative support personnel w/out directly impacting the elected official personally.

I would think that flooding an elected official's email address would be a more effective method of delivering the intended message.

"Originally Posted by trichard View Post

It's interesting to note that Obama keeps shaming the Congress for not compromising. That word was absent when he was stuffing down his health care bill."




Comments like this belong in the political section.


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To tippy's earlier point, here's an article from our local central OH newspaper this afternoon:

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content...1&cmpid=aunews

It's only citing info re: some of Ohio's Representatives but I can't help but think all the other congressional-types across the country are experiencing the same scenarios.

Bill :)

1. Off topic, as usual.
2. THEY decided to NOT be involved, they walked out.
3. Who said "not only no but HELL NO". Say compromise again.

The Haircut

One day a florist went to a barber for a haircut.

After the cut, he asked about his bill, and the barber replied, 'I cannot accept money from you , I'm doing community service this week.' The florist was pleased and left the shop.

When the barber went to open his shop the next morning, there was a 'thank you' card and a dozen roses waiting for him at his door.

Later, a cop comes in for a haircut, and when he tries to pay his bill, the barber again replied, 'I cannot accept money from you , I'm doing community service this week.' The cop was happy and left the shop.

The next morning when the barber went to open up, there was a 'thank you' card and a dozen donuts waiting for him at his door.

Then a Congressman came in for a haircut, and when he went to pay his bill, the barber again replied, 'I can not accept money from you. I'm doing community service this week.' The Congressman was very happy and left the shop.

The next morning, when the barber went to open up, there were a dozen Congressmen lined up waiting for a free haircut.

And that, my friends, illustrates the fundamental difference between the citizens of our country and the politicians who run it.


BOTH POLITICIANS AND DIAPERS NEED TO BE CHANGED OFTEN AND FOR THE SAME REASON!

Based on the performance of congress this topic ought to be relagted to a dark comedy thread

I'm just a regular member now. If the admin wants to move this, he can do it with the click of a mouse.

Stop complaining about it here.
Go to www.whitehouse.gov and tell the President.

I did

I told him "the needs of the many outweight the needs of the few or the one".



WHO SAID THAT!

I've learned on this forum that any thread I start that will engender any kind of controversy and/or possibly upset anyone, for whatever reason, should be put in "political". It saves a lot of nonsense from those who have fragile sensibilities, as they stay away from "political" and are subsequently safe from people who have strong opinions.

I'm not sure of the rules with the new administration of this forum, but the participants haven't changed.

I know I for one am holding my breath that this mess doesn't push my finances off the cliff. I am hoping to move to TV this fall or next spring, but another major economic downturn will probably change all that. Both in my being able to sell my current home and in my being able to finance an new place to live. 401K can not take another hit like it did in 2008......those people on the Hill are playing Russian Roulette with the average Americans future. There's is ensured even if they get voted out. Their pension is golden and I believe they get it after one day on the job not 25 or 35 years like the rest of us. That is if we even have a pension other than what we saved.

Suzanne

:D
Don't worry about it and in fact you can capitalize on this standoff and boost your retirement fund. Make a big bet on which party you believe will blink first.:D

I personally find this discussion to not only be political but also a bit biased. People are expressing their opinion that this discussion is not political, and that's fine... but it's only up until you or another poster points out one of the real and primary issues that has led us to the current "debt crisis." Then, all of a sudden... the truth becomes the political comments, providing of course it's coming from a fiscal conservative's point of view!

It's also funny how certain "high level" political individuals in Washington spoke out of one side of their mouths up until the tea party ended the two year, one party rule in the last election. Then suddenly... they start using the other side of their mouths, and for undoubtedly political posturing!

Trichard, you forgot to mention the stimulus, bailouts and many other problems that biasedly developed during the two year unobstructed one party rule, which in itself can be disasterous regardless of what party it might be that's in such absolute power! If not for those biased actions, we would NOT be having these discussions today about this particular issue because there would be no need to raise the debt ceiling... yet!

I know! I know!! Do I get a "star" for answering correctly?!

A quick way to solve all this is to repeal the 17th Amendment. Let each state's legisature appoint the two senators. Then each state will have control of their senator. Once the 17th A was passed, all control and represetation was lost.

We can at the same time amendment the Constitution to add Cap, Cut and Balance. Two for the price of one. Way a deal.

What America has been waiting for:
 

A rap video on the debt ceiling:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoS52fVtVQM&feature=player_embedded[/ame]

I don't know much about how things would work out by repealing the 17th, but this paragraph on it certainly brings out good points:

"Originally, each Senator was elected by his state's legislature to represent that state in the Senate. This was intended to protect each state's power within the federation established by the Constitution by having its own direct representation in the Congress. While an unqualified candidate might win a popular-vote majority through demagoguery or superficial qualities, the legislature, which could deliberate on its choice, and whose members had been selected by their constituents and had experience in politics, were thought safe from such folly.

Finally, election by the legislature was expected to insulate Senators from the distraction of public campaigning for election or re-election, leaving them free to concentrate on the great business of the federal government. This last purpose was also served by the six-year term for Senators, compared to the two-year term for U.S. Representatives."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sevente...s_Constitution

On the surface it sounds like a great solution but.... do we really want politicians appointing other politicians? Just saying!

I think our representatives should get two terms, one in office and one in jail.

On top of all this financial mess, rhetoric and politicking
 

taken from another thread.'''

We now add The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. What will be their budget, pay for top executives, how many new federal employees will they add? Will they need a new building? How many limos and aircraft will they need and what is their mission?

Tell us please, what they are going to do, that are not already responsibilities of existing Federal Agencies and Congressional Oversight Committees

From their website look at job openings and salaries at

http://www.consumerfinance.gov/jobs/

Yeah, we have a crisis in Washington. But I think it's more a problem of sanity than financial.

If there were no "parties" and no lobbyists our representatives and senators might actually think about doing what's right for this country. These clowns only care about what's "best" for their pocketbooks and their party. If they managed their personal finances the way they are running this country they would have been bankrupt a long time ago. Oh, wait, I forgot. All they have to do is "raise their debt limit" and they will never have to worry about bankruptcy!!

Like Chicago mayors.

If they cannot come to an agreement, let Obama make the decision. He is the top dog in Washington. He is very intelligent and that makes him better equipped to make the final call than any of us. I know, Constitution, congress, democratic way, etc. etc.

If you have team A and team B of children arguing who is up to bat next in the playground and they cannot agree, the coach will step in and make the decision for them. Same rule should apply here.

The American people elected Obama and now the GOP wants to tie his hands from doing the peoples work.:throwtomatoes:

Illinois Governors. Chicago Mayors have much more power.




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Looks like cuts to Medicare, Social Security and VA benefits are coming! Thank You Tea Party!!:mad: :mad:

Debt Crisis
 

I really don't know why all Citizens are complaining about the Government's
shennanigans now !!!!
Everytime a Politician visits the Villages or some Mall or Town, everyone trips over each other in order to kiss the Politician !!!!
And months later everyone complains about the Politician !!!!!
Please, everyone wake up to reality !!!!!!!