Give Credit Where Credit Is Due
 

You've probably read the news reports of the killing of Anwar al-Awlaki, a Muslim cleric who was an American citizen operating out of Yemen. His "elimination" using CIA-operated drones, the first such attack inside Yemen since 2002, was much discussed and debated within the CIA and the administration. Clearly, the final decision was that of the POTUS.

There were probably many liberal "rights" activists within the administration that argued against the killing of an American citizen only accused of treasonous activities, but not convicted. There were probably many more that argued against taking such action on the soil of a foreign country.

My guess is there are very few, if any, who post on tbis forum who would differ with the decision to kill al-Awlaki...I know I wouldn't. Having said that, I think it's only fair to give credit to President Obama for issuing the order to kill al-Awlaki.

There are lots of things that Obama does and has supported that many of us don't agree with. This isn't one of them.

Here's an article from The New York Times on the killing...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/01/wo...-yemen.html?hp

I think you are giving Obama too much credit again. Most of the money and policies that are in effect today was spent and implemented under President Bush. Give the darn credit where it is rightfully due!!!

Within The Last Year
 

If you read the article, both the capability to execute such an attack and the authorization of the attack itself happened within the last year...long after George Bush retired to his ranch in west Texas. The secret base from which the drone attack was launched and the authority for the killing was approved within the last year.

OK VK, I'm with you........Yay President Obama, you allowed something good to happen...Yay!!

It doesn't change a thing though; you know that.......right?

Right
 

I didn't say it changed anything. I just suggested that if the guy does something--or if something good happens on his watch--he ought to get the credit. Lord knows he (and every other President in recent times) gets enough criticism for things they have little to do with other than being boss when they happen.

I am with you 100 % VK. Some folks on here are still upset that Jesus used 5 loaves of bread and two fish to feed the multitude and we call it a miracle. They think it was a liberal welfare hand out program. I hope this will help dispel the rumors that Obama is a radical Islamic supporter.

This from the president who wanted to bring the "detainees" from Guantanamo to the States for trials (the kind reserved for American citizens)? One has to wonder what has caused him to change his opinion...I think you have already answered my question. It was to dispel the rumors that he is a radical Islamic supporter.
Anyone who is a student of the Islamic religion and their Quran knows the truth, that Islam teaches that deception is encouraged if it gets you what you want. JMHO

Exactly. For crying out loud, he is in full campaign mode. He and other politicians would sell their miserable souls to get re-elected. Obama will be telling war stories in paid for television advertisements.

Makes me glad that we got rid of our TV...it's been gone since early 2009-hmmm:popcorn:

We rarely turn ours on and when we watch something, it is recorded so we do not watch commercials. I do watch Bill O'Reilly once in a while live.

Would that be the same New York Times who after 9/11 hailed Al-Awlaki as one of a "new generation of Muslim leader capable of merging East and West"- NYT.

I won't hold my breath waiting for a mea culpa.

Other liberal rags from the mainstream media joined the praise of the emerging terrorist applauding him as a moderate after 9/11 and giving him credibility.

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/mat...wlaki-moderate

It is interesting to note that criticism of Obama's decision, with rare exception, is coming from the liberal left. Romney, Perry, Peter King and others have praised the President's decision. Ron Paul is the most conspicuous exception.

I do not think that Obama does anything that will not promote his name and help him win the 2012 election.

I read all of Robert Ringer's articles and this one says it all:

http://robertringer.com/roberts-insi...-and-decisive/

Obama is out to get all of the votes that he can and this plus "his killing on Bin Laden" will probably glean him some votes.

On the other hand, his killing of an "innocent until proven guilty" US citizen will lose him some votes.

As far as I am concerned, they took too long to put Al-Awlaki where he belonged.

Those 72 virgins have to be really tired after all of the customers we have sent their way. :a040:

Thats not new. Every religion around the world teaches deception. It is the basis for all religions to lie to the members to keep them in line. Christianity is no exception. We start by telling our children if they are not good, they will go to hell. How sick is that?

?????????????? I am a Christian and have never said to my children OR anyone "if they are not good, they will go to hell". I challenge you to pick up the Christian's Love Letter from God to His Children (aka Bible) and find out for yourself if that is what Chrisitanity teaches. Let me know where you find that doctrine, if you dare.

Thank you for the good info. It is nice to know from the expert that no mater what we do, we will be rewarded with a final life in heaven. I was always told that if you die with your sin, you will forever burn in hell. You pointing out how wrong that is, makes me feel much better. I drink beer and don't always ask forgiveness before going to sleep. Knowing I will not go to hell if I die in my sleep is a great relief.

First of all, I am not "the expert".
Second, I said that the Bible doesn't teach that if you are bad you go to hell...You have reworded and misquoted me.
Third, if you have asked forgiveness of all your sin, then you are forgiven of all your sin-past, present and future. Who could be constantly asking forgiveness in fear of dying with one or two not accounted for.
Finally, If you are a Christian, don't let the devil lay guilt trips on you brother. He likes to steal our JOY away and is not very nice that way.

I think the assassination is a diversionary tactic to divert attention away from the sinister things the government knew about the Ft. Hood shooter and his ties/communications with al-Awlaki:

November 10, 2009
U.S. Knew of Suspect’s Tie to Radical Cleric

By DAVID JOHNSTON and SCOTT SHANE

WASHINGTON — Intelligence agencies intercepted communications last year and this year between the military psychiatrist accused of shooting to death 13 people at Fort Hood, Tex., and a radical cleric in Yemen known for his incendiary anti-American teachings.

But the federal authorities dropped an inquiry into the matter after deciding that the messages from the psychiatrist, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, did not suggest any threat of violence and concluding that no further action was warranted, government officials said Monday.

Major Hasan’s 10 to 20 messages to Anwar al-Awlaki, once a spiritual leader at a mosque in suburban Virginia where Major Hasan worshiped, indicate that the troubled military psychiatrist came to the attention of the authorities long before last Thursday’s shooting rampage at Fort Hood, but that the authorities left him in his post......

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/10/us...gewanted=print

This is not news. We already knew that. This is what opened up the tie between to Awlaal-ki and Hasan.

Awlaal-ki has already been in the news. As far as I am concerned he is a scumbag that should have been dealt with earlier.

Not Correct
 

Katz, I'm afraid you're wrong. There are Christian religions that believe and teach that unless certain principles are believed and followed, those who do not will not be granted admission to Heaven. While the members of my family and extended family are wonderful, loving, responsible people, we've all been told (not in a nasty or threatening way) by those in our family who follow one of those religions, that it's too bad that we'll never see one another in Heaven. The basis of their belief is the literal acceptance of what is written in the Holy Bible. But I must add...their interpretation of what those words say and mean.

I'm sure there are some who post here that know the religions that I'm speaking of; there are more than one. I don't know whether "not going to Heaven" means going to Hell, but there are some Christian religions that are totally intolerant of those who do not embrace their beliefs.

Thank you, I had the thought, but just can't say it so clearly. I was raised in a Christian family that knelt down at your bedside every night. Not to do that with a thank you, please forgive me and please allow me another day, meant gloom and doom in your future. I like Kip's version much better, as you would have a lot of room for beer drinking, watching television and even the 6 PAC would have hope for going up instead of down.

With all due respect Village Kahuna and Villager II , Before you tell me that what I said is wrong and back your statement with a totally different premise, please go back read what I posted. Then let me know where you find in the Bible that "if you are not good, you go to hell". You will not find that equation...I double-dog dare you to find it!
I am not perfect and am rarely a good person...but according to God's WORD, I am assured, guaranteed, and positively convinced that I am not going to hell.
Enjoy your day of rest!

I guess it depends on ones interpretation of the Kings James Version of the bible. In the old testament, most of us are doomed for the way we live our lives, but since the New Testament came into print, we definitely have some outs to help us slide by the gates of hell and on to glory. Lets leave it at that OK.

Enjoy the ride. :cus:

I don't agree and this particular topic is one that could not be open to interpretation as it is as plain as the sky is blue, the grass is green, etc...no one slides by. It has nothing to do with how good you or I are. I think if you did some research on your own, you would be extremely & VERY pleasantly surprised!
~Village Kahuna, Shame on those family members for judging you and condemning you to eternity in hell. On what basis are they making that call?
~As far as beer goes...I had two Amber Bocks last night with my pizza! We are planning our daughters wedding and laughing about her reception. We are keeping the best wine for the last part of the party-Just like Jesus did!
~However, Per your request, OK, we will leave it...