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Guest 10-14-2011 08:09 PM

Occupy Wall Street or Tea Party?
 
A very interesting poll from Time magazine revealed something interesting about voter perceptions.

http://news.yahoo.com/time-poll-obam...081010901.html

The survey revealed that respondents have a better impression of the left-leaning protest movement known as Occupy Wall Street than they do of the Tea Party movement. Fifty-four percent of respondents harbor a positive view of the burgeoning protest movement, well above the 23% with a negative opinion. By contrast, just 27% of those surveyed have favorable views of the Tea Party, while 65% say its impact on U.S. politics since its inception in 2009 has been negative or negligible.

Sounds about right to me. Remember, not all American voters are the right-wing as on this forum. Reality is out there in mainstream America - not just this little bubble.

Guest 10-14-2011 08:18 PM

Time will tell! :ho:

Guest 10-14-2011 08:24 PM

I guess the American people like lawbreaking mobs who spit on military personnel in uniform and defecate and urinate in the street rather than the peaceful associations of working class Americans asking for smaller government?

That's what sounds right to you? You kill me Buggy.

Guest 10-14-2011 08:27 PM

Gee I wonder if the play they get from the lame stream media several times per day...hand picking interviewees to get the "right" message across has anything to do with it.

VS the negative, derogatory approach to the tea party sessions.

It is rigged to benefit the dems without a doubt.

I wonder about all these participants who are there or where ever for weeks at a time yapping about jobs....and what jobs do they hold to be able to be in the streets for those weeks at a time? How about asking the average person who has to go to work every day what they think about theses gatherings? How about asking those who have truly been out beating the bricks to find a job for many, many weeks?

Do these organizers, supporters and the lame stream media think America is buying what they are pretending?

They are not!! Just ask em!!

btk

Guest 10-14-2011 08:28 PM

Time Poll?
 
:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1 rotfl::1rotfl:

Time Poll? Are you serious???

Guest 10-14-2011 10:07 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 406102)
I guess the American people like lawbreaking mobs who spit on military personnel in uniform and defecate and urinate in the street rather than the peaceful associations of working class Americans asking for smaller government?

That's what sounds right to you? You kill me Buggy.

Or Tea Partiers that spit on African American members of Congress? :boom:

Guest 10-14-2011 10:09 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 406161)
Or Tea Partiers that spit on African American members of Congress? :boom:

It never happened but thank you for adding clarity to this subject. I really look forward to your in depth analysis.

Guest 10-14-2011 10:31 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 406161)
Or Tea Partiers that spit on African American members of Congress? :boom:

Except that that never happened and is a well known lie. So :boom: yourself

Guest 10-15-2011 01:24 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 406161)
Or Tea Partiers that spit on African American members of Congress? :boom:

Dale do you really believe that happened? Think about what your implying here. If someone from the Tea Party had spit upon a black man, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson would have dominated every news station for weeks about racial discrimination. Well, that didn't happen because it was not factual.

Guest 10-15-2011 05:54 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 406161)
Or Tea Partiers that spit on African American members of Congress? :boom:


Your credibility just took a dive !!!!

Guest 10-15-2011 07:48 AM

Looks as the right-wingers just want to start a contest of "did-not" and just keep adding on to that mantra.

I looked at the video clip and it sure looked as though someone did spit on Cleaver. I cannot say 100% but it did look as though spitting took place. It did look like a frenzied mob that confronted the Black Caucus and had to be held back by the Capitol Police.



http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7...rue%2bor%2bnot

Guest 10-15-2011 07:51 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 406163)
It never happened but thank you for adding clarity to this subject. I really look forward to your in depth analysis.

I fully expected that denial. Is it fun being delusional? :boom:

Guest 10-15-2011 07:53 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 406234)
Looks as the right-wingers just want to start a contest of "did-not" and just keep adding on to that mantra.

I looked at the video clip and it sure looked as though someone did spit on Cleaver. I cannot say 100% but it did look as though spitting took place. It did look like a frenzied mob that confronted the Black Caucus and had to be held back by the Capitol Police.



http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7...rue%2bor%2bnot

Alinsky tactic. Say something over and over again until it sounds like the truth. Someone offered a $100,000 reward if they could find video of offense. Never was collected.

Guest 10-15-2011 08:10 AM

However, the spitting or non-spitting is not the topic of this post. It is how the Real Americans feel about the Tea Party. American voters were more in favor of the Occupy Wall Street protestors than with the Tea Party.

Sounds like a Tea Party or right wing extremist tactic to change the subject when they find themselves on the defensive, doesn't it?

Guest 10-15-2011 08:13 AM

They are both over the top violent mobs in my opinion.

Guest 10-15-2011 08:28 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 406243)
They are both over the top violent mobs in my opinion.

I do not remember any violence at any meeting I attended. Could you please post a link?

Guest 10-15-2011 08:29 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 406240)
However, the spitting or non-spitting is not the topic of this post. It is how the Real Americans feel about the Tea Party. American voters were more in favor of the Occupy Wall Street protestors than with the Tea Party.

Sounds like a Tea Party or right wing extremist tactic to change the subject when they find themselves on the defensive, doesn't it?

Again, your poll source is not credible.

Guest 10-15-2011 08:45 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 406236)
Alinsky tactic. Say something over and over again until it sounds like the truth. Someone offered a $100,000 reward if they could find video of offense. Never was collected.

Stupidski tactic. Deny the truth. :boom:

Guest 10-15-2011 08:46 AM

Oh, I forgot that the only credible polls come out of FOX Noise.:boom:

Guest 10-15-2011 09:12 AM

if it were not for the minority (not race....most of the time) issues there would not be much dialogue for some.

Much be a lack of real issues or the talking points are not released yet!

btk

Guest 10-15-2011 09:15 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 406246)
I do not remember any violence at any meeting I attended. Could you please post a link?

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5pdwTQ4xA8[/ame]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_1...91-504083.html

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/..._violence.html

http://templeofmut.wordpress.com/201...n-diego-rally/

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4BU8pfz2O4[/ame]

http://open.salon.com/blog/razzle_da..._i_am_outraged

I have hundreds if this does not convince you.

Guest 10-15-2011 09:40 AM

You are going to have "crashers" at almost any event. They are the exception not the rule. At every one I attended there were just ordinary people at all walks of life.Blue collar and white collar and every one in between. Just concerned citizens that are worried where the direction of this country is going. Out of control spending and taxes are the main conversations.

Guest 10-15-2011 09:46 AM

This thread and posts are the epitome of what is wrong with our politics of today, with great examples of the intrusion of the internet and our total lack of flexibility with regards to our country

And we wonder why our congress REFLECTS EXACTLY THIS !!!!

Guest 10-15-2011 10:00 AM

The videos above are disturbing....not because they were Tea Party members, but because they were American.... It doesn't matter the political slant, this type of behavior is not good for any of us.

Unfortunately, whenever there's a movement that is a little too far left or right of center, we seem to enable the fringe elements [on both sides] to act in this manner.

When I see this type of stuff going on in Greece, London, Berlin, Tripoli, etc. I'm always glad that I live in America, where this sort of thing doesn't occur.

Hmmmmm......

Guest 10-15-2011 10:17 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 406292)
The videos above are disturbing....not because they were Tea Party members, but because they were American.... It doesn't matter the political slant, this type of behavior is not good for any of us.

Unfortunately, whenever there's a movement that is a little too far left or right of center, we seem to enable the fringe elements [on both sides] to act in this manner.

When I see this type of stuff going on in Greece, London, Berlin, Tripoli, etc. I'm always glad that I live in America, where this sort of thing doesn't occur.

Hmmmmm......

I remember 7 or 8 years ago the media showed demonstrations that were violent and mean. Many signs showing Bush as Hitler. Code Pink was always there. Burning of pictures and flags. The wars are still there but the demonstrations went away. Why? Democrat in White House. If there was a demonstration the press would not show up.

For years the lefties have been jealous of the Tea Party so they demonize it and now decide to copy it.

Guest 10-15-2011 10:27 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 406309)
I remember 7 or 8 years ago the media showed demonstrations that were violent and mean. Many signs showing Bush as Hitler. Code Pink was always there. Burning of pictures and flags. The wars are still there but the demonstrations went away. Why? Democrat in White House. If there was a demonstration the press would not show up.

For years the lefties have been jealous of the Tea Party so they demonize it and now decide to copy it.

I think my point is that no reasonable person could be very proud of this type of behavior from the "fringes" of either party.

Guest 10-15-2011 10:28 AM

Both Memeson and Villagegolfer are 100% correct. Its when we can say the small factions within any party are the culprits of violence, then at least we can move one step forward. Like I said, they are both mobs when they use violence to get their point across. In my opinion, they all lose support and that is the GOP's concern at this time.

If a candidate supports 99% of ones concerns but the 1 % he/she does not support is:

Gay Marriage or pro-life or gun control or Medicare or SS or etc. etc.


Then, that candidate is dead in the water. Democrats pull together better for the best they can get candidate for their causes. Republicans splinter off into separate groups. You can say that they will all come together when the vote is against Obama, but I say that many on the fence will go DEM after they have months of GOP members trashing each other.

Guest 10-15-2011 10:30 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 406279)
You are going to have "crashers" at almost any event. They are the exception not the rule. At every one I attended there were just ordinary people at all walks of life.Blue collar and white collar and every one in between. Just concerned citizens that are worried where the direction of this country is going. Out of control spending and taxes are the main conversations.

And then there was you...in sweet fragrant meadows of dawn. :boom:

Guest 10-15-2011 11:14 AM

Anyone amateur historian can verify tactics used by the Nazi's, that are very similar to what we are seeing in these videos. Infiltrate and then become disruptive enough to tarnish or change the public opinion of any given group! Having been to numerous Tea Party events, just saying, these videos seem mighty suspicious. Retirees, farmers, war vets, and young families are the most prevelant at the events I've been to!:ho:

Guest 10-15-2011 11:17 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 406337)
Anyone amateur historian can verify tactics used by the Nazi's, that are very similar to what we are seeing in these videos. Infiltrate and then become disruptive enough to tarnish or change the public opinion of any given group! Having been to numerous Tea Party events, just saying, these videos seem mighty suspicious. Retirees, farmers, war vets, and young families are the most prevelant at the events I've been to!:ho:

Why? I just don't get it. Is it just the shock value?

Guest 10-15-2011 11:23 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 406339)
Why? I just don't get it. Is it just the shock value?

Why don't you get out a history book and prove me wrong...?

Guest 10-15-2011 11:25 AM

Memason,

The right-wing nuts are just trying their Stupidiski techniques one more time by calling everyone who does not agree with them a Nazi. Yes, shock value is what they are aiming for but their aim has gone right to the foot - as in shot themself in the foot.

Polls have shown that the American voters do not trust Tea Partiers.

Guest 10-15-2011 11:30 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 406347)
Why don't you get out a history book and prove me wrong...?

Look, it has nothing to do with whether it's historically right or wrong. There are a thousand ways to make your point, without invoking that word. When you associate the AMERICANS that are demonstrating for what they believe in with that regime, it's just wrong....in my book. At least they're out there doing something; not sitting at their computer, like you and I.

Just trying to keep it real here.....

Guest 10-15-2011 11:31 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 406349)
Memason,

The right-wing nuts are just trying their Stupidiski techniques one more time by calling everyone who does not agree with them a Nazi. Yes, shock value is what they are aiming for but their aim has gone right to the foot - as in shot themself in the foot.

Polls have shown that the American voters do not trust Tea Partiers.

Are these words better..."some pre-WWII Germans"?
Still waiting for the history book...Easier to throw mud than to get out a shovel and dig deep to find the truth?
That's OK, because until you come up with the proof that the post is wrong, mud washes off easily.

Guest 10-15-2011 11:36 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 406353)
Look, it has nothing to do with whether it's historically right or wrong. There are a thousand ways to make your point, without invoking that word. When you associate the AMERICANS that are demonstrating for what they believe in with that regime, it's just wrong....in my book. At least they're out there doing something; not sitting at their computer, like you and I.Just trying to keep it real here.....

At least WHO is out there doing something? AGITATORS? ...I am a very PEACEFUL and ACTIVE member of the Tea Party and just happen to be home on the computer for a short time today...We had planned to participate in the 38 mile Tombstone Cyle tour but have 40mph winds today.:ho:

Guest 10-15-2011 11:59 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 406234)
Looks as the right-wingers just want to start a contest of "did-not" and just keep adding on to that mantra.

I looked at the video clip and it sure looked as though someone did spit on Cleaver. I cannot say 100% but it did look as though spitting took place. It did look like a frenzied mob that confronted the Black Caucus and had to be held back by the Capitol Police.



http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7...rue%2bor%2bnot

The Black Caucus deliberately tried to antagonize and provoke the crowd to violence and failed to do so. That is the unvarnished truth.

Since they didn't get the result they wanted, they made it up.

Guest 10-15-2011 12:01 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 406243)
They are both over the top violent mobs in my opinion.

This is how credibility as a conservative is lost; by buying the liberal lie and giving them comfort in their duplicity. Think about it.

(just conversation; don't be overly sensitive now, there's no threat implied in this post)

Buying into the lie seems worse, in my opinion, than the leftists who are posting here who know they're lying.

http://exposingliberallies.blogspot....a-parties.html

Guest 10-15-2011 12:10 PM

"The poll, conducted for TIME by Abt SRBI, surveyed 1,001 adults — 83% of whom described themselves as likely voters — between Oct. 9-10." Also, 669 of the 1,001 adults polled are familar with the Tea Party.

Guest 10-15-2011 01:05 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 406379)
This is how credibility as a conservative is lost; by buying the liberal lie and giving them comfort in their duplicity. Think about it.

(just conversation; don't be overly sensitive now, there's no threat implied in this post)

Buying into the lie seems worse, in my opinion, than the leftists who are posting here who know they're lying.

http://exposingliberallies.blogspot....a-parties.html

I think you replied to the wrong post. I was only saying that both wall street and tea goofballs have enough nuts to be called a mob. I personally would join the tea goofballs since I am old, white and have short hair and therefore, at least I would blend in. Since I think they both are very destructive to the American way of life, I cannot agree with either one of these mobs. Please read my posts more slowly before you insult my credibility.

Guest 10-15-2011 02:00 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 406349)
Memason,

The right-wing nuts are just trying their Stupidiski techniques one more time by calling everyone who does not agree with them a Nazi. Yes, shock value is what they are aiming for but their aim has gone right to the foot - as in shot themself in the foot.

Polls have shown that the American voters do not trust Tea Partiers.

So I guess that since you like to call people names that you Comrade are not immune?

Read how the Time (very liberal) Poll was conducted.
FLAWED POLL:

http://campaign2012.washingtonexamin...t-vs-tea-party


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