Herman Cain in the Daily Sun
 

An article in today's Daily Sun quoted Herman Cain saying his 9-9-9 tax plan WOULD raise taxes on some people. Of course, those people are the ones who can least afford to have taxes raised on them.

The article also stated that Herman Cain DOES NOT belive abortion should be an option in cases of rape or incest.

He's a very religious man, and his faith is strong for life. Not everyone sees that as a detriment. I admire people who won't abandon their faith.

I don't think there was anyone who didn't think that some would pay more. Every candidates "proposal" has that "feature". Only Herman Cain is laying it out for you to see and debate before he's President. Everyone else you have to trust that their "plan" is not hyperbole. Trust has worked out real well in politics so far, hasn't it?

Cain has great qualities for business and would do the US economy well, I just don't see Republicans nominating an African American. We have too many in our party that feel that is not a good idea for America. Just my opinion, please no flames.

Good, bad or indifferent... Even if Cain were to be nominated and eventually elected, the 9-9-9 plan would go nowhere.

Think about it...the 9-9-9 plan is too simple to ever replace our complicated tax code system.

I'm not passing judgement on the plan, just the probability that it would ever get implemented.

I had to delete my original post and rewrite this. All I can think of is Lou Card. Don't know why. Wonder what happened to him? Someone from the bowling Alley says he still posts here.

I don't disagree. There is too much power in the hands of Democrat and Republican legislators alike when it comes to taxes. There are ways to reward your supporters, pay back your "non-supporters" and to buy votes. Legislators are loathe to give up power.

It would take much public pressure combined with a Ronald Reagan-like charisma to get anything resembling Cain's 9-9-9 Plan to even a vote.

But I always liked those who try to put principle over expedience, and take the hard path when necessary in pursuit of their beliefs.

I like to think the "party" evaluates the man and not the color of his skin as alluded in the post above. There are those who can only see through racial glasses. Just like those who accuse us who are against Obama as wanting to get the "blackman" outta the WH.....I am sure there are some in each party that may hold to that accusation. Most of us, however, who are performance and promises kept oriented just want him out because he has not done and is not doing the job!!

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Of course, it is democrats painting the image of repubs as racist to secure the black and liberal votes. Basically it is residue from Johnson's War on Poverty from the mid 60's when they started raiding SS to pay for that and Vietnam.

What does "African American" have to do with anything?????? Cain does not even USE the term African American!!!

He said clearly on t.v. this weekend (to Huckabee) when asked why he does not refer to himself as "African American", he replied that his whole life experience is American, not African, and he refers to himself as a Black American.

Cain's race has nothing to do with his rise or fall in this campaign. Leave the race baiting OUT of this!

In this interview, Cain reaffirms that seniors living on Social Security income and dividend income would not be taxed on those. He also explains how the national sales tax does away with "embedded taxes" in goods:

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Peggy Noonan on Herman Cain
 

Peggy Noonan opened her weekly column with a joke attributed to a TSA worker, “Ten years ago, Steve Jobs was alive, Bob Hope was alive, Johnny Cash was alive. Now we’re outta jobs, outta hope and outta cash.”

She opined that the reason Herman Cain appeals to so many people is that he is the only one advocating fundamental change. “…people have a sense that nothing’s going to get better unless something big is done, some fundamental change is made in our financial structures. It won’t be small-time rejiggering—a 5% cut in this tax, a 3% reduction in that program—that will get us out of this.” I believe this column contains a message that we all should give careful consideration.

http://peggynoonan.com/

Not to belabor any one point - as I would never do - but, Richie, you said regarding Cain
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"He's a very religious man, and his faith is strong for life. Not everyone sees that as a detriment. I admire people who won't abandon their faith."

Abortion is not an option in the case of rape or incest? Can I get your personal belief on that - or drop the issue - or discuss it over an ice-cold Yeungling? Totally your choice.

Easy for me. Murder of a innocent life is worse than the acts you describe, in the eyes of any person of Christian faith, like Herman Cain.

999 again raises taxes on the middle and poor and lowers taxes for the rich. Just another effort to screw me.

Remember, that the 9-9-9 is only Cain's Phase 1.

No matter, like others have said, he will NOT get the nomination.

The 9-9-9 Plan would never make it through Congress anyhow.

However, IF Herman Cain did get to be the nominee, who would be the Vice-Presidential candidate - Papa John?

Race baiting, I think not. I think Cain would be a fine candidate, just don't see the Right Wing voting him in. Save this post and I hope you can prove me wrong. If he becomes the REP nominee, I will vote for him and I will admit how wrong I was.

Hardly a worse choice. You may have, in theory, deceided that the 12 year old rape victim should be forced to have a child conceived in pain and fear. That 12 year old is NOT theoretical to me. Have a little girl in your office, scared, in pain, brutalized and afraid and tell her she has to give birth? That is a choice she and parents need to make, not you , not your beliefs, not your faith. It has to be THEIR choice. I would never support taking that choice out of the hands of the family.
And as I have said so many times before, if you support taking away choice, then you best be willing to pony up some more money to take care of them. I have met few prolife supporters who have a plan for what happens after that child is born (other then someone will adopt them) and even fewer who are willing to put their money where their mouth is.

Well said. I am stunned how anyone can put their views of this issue between the patient and Doctor. Anyone that does is saying up yours GOD, I will take care of this as I know better than any other person on earth. Self Righteous jerks in my opinion. If they would read and follow the Christian teachings, they would leave this to each individual. Let GOD be the judge and not some Bourbon breath redneck in the local bar. Sorry, I am just very pasionate about the rights of women being stomped on by bible thumpers.

Here's a scenario:
You demolish buildings and I hire you to demolish one for me.
You come and ask me if there is anyone in the building first. I reply I don't know, there might be one person, but I doubt it. I tell you to just go ahead and demolish it...Are ya going to do it?
Now you are the doctor and I hire you to remove a fetus from my womb. But neither one of us is sure how close to being an actual human being this fetus is...Are ya going to do it?
It might be a choice between a woman and a doctor...or is it a choice between a woman, a doctor, and smaller human who can't voice his/her choice?

I understand what you say, but as a Christian, I will do what GOD commands me to do and I will let him be the judge. Only GOD knows this issue for sure and GOD has commanded us to judge not and we shall not be judged.

I haven't mentioned judging anyone...I am not judging anyone...I am talking about defending the under dog! With all due respect, please go back and read my post and tell me that you will demolish the building knowing that you don't know for sure if someone is in there...

NO, I would not demolish the building under those circumstances. I respect your opinion, but I am firmly pro-choice and I believe GOD wants me to be that way. If we could just come up with a better way to stop unwanted pregnancy other than the ridicules abstinence. Nature would never allow that to work.

For me, nothing you've said excuses the murder of an innocent. If you believe yourself to be Christian, you must agree or you're a hypocrite to your faith.

I say this just to make a point. I don't demand that you agree with me, or act accordingly. Everyone must live according to their own conscience.

But if you believe, you must also believe the words of The Lord when he said he "knew you before you were born". He acknowledged that unborn life, can you do less?

No need to be disrespectful. No need to blaspheme. You know not your bible. I have a right to my point of view. I force no one to do as I believe. It's your own conscience you must live with. It's your own faith you must resolve.

Would it be OK if the women was not a Christian. I personally think abortion is a terrible thing to do, but for other self righteous people to make that decision for you is just as terrible to me. I believe GOD will judge those that judge others and not in a good way. Pray for the unborn but keep out of others folks business.

Where have I said I make that decision for anyone? You would begrudge me the simple right to my own opinion.

But if you believe in God, and you think God would approve of you murdering an innocent life, I think you should think some more.

And if it is murder, then GOD will deal with it and not you or I. Your opinion is just like mine, I think it is wrong as anything on earth, but I believe the women has the right to make that decision on her own without our interference. Let Ro v Wade be the law of the land. Thank the S. Court for being smart enough to see it that way.

Just for the sake of argument; since you've just expressed your beliefs.

What other circumstances, in your view, justify the murder of innocents?

You don't really have to answer. I just would like you to think about it.

If at the time of conception the life begins, then the act of abortion would be murder as I understand murder. I personally feel that a life begins when the egg is joined by the sperm on moment one.

I also believe in Law and Law today says abortion is legal. Until that is changed, I support a womens right to decide.

Richie, you said it very clearly, "I say this just to make a point. I don't demand that you agree with me, or act accordingly. Everyone must live according to their own conscience."

From what you said - and I am not twisting words around - you are Pro-Choice. With that I mean, you personally do not believe in abortion but it is up to each woman to make up her own mind.

That is the kind of attitude that marks an intelligent person.

So you support man's law over the tenants of God's law? Is your conscience eased by this?

What do you want Richie...a country governed by biblical law just like Sharia Law based on the Koran? Yes, I support man's law over God's law for a lot of reasons, one of which being that not everyone in this country is a christian. If we were judged by god's law, just about all of us would be quilty of something every single day of their lives. And that is because everyone finds ways around tenets of religion when it suits them...and to not recognize this is ourselves is pure repression.

Murder is against the law of this land. Murder means to take the life of another human being. If you believe that life begins at moment one when egg joins sperm, then to take that life would be murder.
The question isn't whether murder is against the law. The question is when does life begin. Since no one here can prove that life does not begin at conception...there might be someone in the building...how can we condone abortion? Just because the law is to take the life of the unborn, WHO WILL BE THE VOICE TO SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF!

Yea, thats what I wanted to say but just not smart enough to get it out. Thanks LadyDOC

If I see a Guy A murdering another Guy B, and I have the opportunity to stop him... Should I try to save Guy A's life? And if I do, am I judging Guy B?

It is murder to some and a compassionate act to others. It is just not up to us to be GOD or the judge and jury. Like I said, I would not support or have an abortion, but I would not tell my own wife she could not if she wanted to. We have so very few freedoms, that is one I don't have the right to take away from someone else.

Yes you are. You may be judging correctly, but without a lot more information you are judging.

ABSOLUTELY!!! I agree. No one has the right to take away the freedoms of the unborn either, freedom to continue to live. But why do the mother's rights supersede the child's right to live? Why have we given anyone the right to murder another?

So should I not judge? and walk on by?

TVII~ You confuse me...You agree that life begins at conception. You also are a professed defender of the underdog. Why will you not defend the life of the ultimate underdog...an unborn child, with no way to escape when the abortionist arrives; an unborn child who is snugly hidden under the heart of it's own mother; an unborn child who cannot speak out and beg for it's own life.
Just sayin...:cry: