U.S. Out Of Iraq By New Year's...Kicked Out?
 

I know everyone is trying to make the best of the news that the U.S. is withdrawing all it's troops from Iraq by the end of 2011. But let's be honest--that is NOT what we wanted to do. That's not what the Pentagon wanted, not what the State Department wanted, and not what the White House wanted.

The decision was the result of the Iraqi Prime Minister and their Parliament not being able to agree on whether security is adequate or whether it can be made to work. They also won't permit U.S. troops to stay unless they have the right to prosecute them in their courts for war crimes.

The Shi'a dominated parliament simply won't agree with the Sunni prime minister. Geez, does this sound familiar? Just replace those names with "Democrats" and "Republicans" and we know how a stalemated government works. The only difference is that dozens of people are getting blown up in Iraq every day, a situation that may escalate without us there.

No one believes that the Iraqis are fully capable of securing their country. Virtually all believe that unrest and terrorism will escalate quickly after we leave. Many believe that a full-blown civil war will be the result, right there in the middle of the region.

But we did set up a supposedly democratic sovereign state and their government would not agree with our requests and suggestions that we at least leave some training troops there for several years. As our representatives described it,"...the talks fell apart."

So...we started a war, occupied a country for more than a decade, spent a trillion dollars, and killed about 5,000 young Americans. And now we're getting kicked out--there's no other way to say it--even though internal security is awful and many think a civil war right there in the center of the Middle East will be the result.

Was it worth it?

What do we do about Afghanistan? Do we start to re-build Libya in order to try to get their oil? We got kicked out of Iraq. We're close to being kicked out of Afghanistan. And some of our politicians are proposing that we go in and re-build Libya, set up a U.S.-style democratic government, courts, etc., hold elections and help them set up a constitution and set of laws. What if we do all that, spending another several hundred billion dollars, and the government we set up kicks us out of there too? India now has more people than China and they have nuclear weapons. How long will India tolerate the unsettled and unpredictable Pakistani situation on their northern border before they do something about it? Then there's a still very unsettled Egypt, Syria and Yemen. And Iran, for crying out loud.

This whole thing seems to be spiraling out of control and there's not a damn thing we can do about it...nor can we afford to do anything about it!

the "event" for lack of a better term, is already being played politically as Obama keeping one of his campaign promises and bringing everybody home.
The network news tonight did a pitiful job of glossing over the fact we are being asked to get out.
Hopefully the current administration, the entire 545 will not get duped politically or otherwise into funding the country and it's crooked leaders for years after we "get out".
Political objective not accomplished.
Military objective not accomplished.
Almost a trillion dollars spent.
4000++ lives lost......no it certainly was not worth it!!!

Iraq will resort back to a very similar profile of what it was prior to the war with different leadership. Hopefully we will not be stupid enough to find cause to go back in!!!

btk

Might i add, that they now have more sophisticated war equipment and we have trained them how to use it and given them tactical war advice, etc. The can now return to a much more lethal version of who they were before the war and more of a threat to us for sure.

What can we do to erdicate the need for their oil? DRILL BABY, DRILL! We have vast quanities of oil reserves within the continental USA. Tell the environmentalists that we are now more conserned about preserving the lives of the young Americans who fight these "wars". Tell them that the youth of America are on the endangered species list. Tell the environmentalists to get out of our way, we are going to become self sufficient where oil is concerned. Put thousands, or more, Americans back to work with jobs in the oil industry right in their own backyard-The US of A!

just note in the news this morning the number of AMERICAN energy companies that are now preparing to go to Iraq to begin energy exploration.

This country, the USA's politicians do not have their priorities right. Theses American energy companies will further their huge profits and create employment in other than the USA. That will eventually sell oil to the world market at a huge profit and contribute no taxes to the USA as a result. And most likely will be shipping oil back to us supporting and or increasing our dependence on foreign oil.

They could just as well do it all right here in the USA. If Obama wanted to do something of significance, with risk, but good for the future of the USA he would declare an initiative to become energy independent and declare what % reduction in foreign oil imports by year to be obtained. By just announcing that this is the direction the USA is committed he would have an immediate effect on the foreign oil suppliers attitudes. But the key words in this proposal are...."...do something, with risk..." therefore it ain't ever gonna happen just like with all the POTUS before him. This commitment to the USA by the way would set him on a track to most assuredly get re-elected, whereas now it is questionable by his own party whether he is electable.

Oh well as the saying goes when you do certain things in the wind.....

btk

We asked to have some bases there after we supposed to leave and they refused us. I think an Air Force base there would be a strategic benefit for our military. A trillion dollars and we can't get a stinking base there? Thanks alot B. Hussein!!!!

No guarantees in life is a thing everyone understands. It was a gamble to help the Iraqi people build a representative republic as we have. The gamble was that the Iraqi's could do what they are doing now; voting us out.

Our mission objectives are evidence of our nation's greatness and magnanimity, but also a road to a downfall if our "students" overreached their capability. That's not to say we don't have a great stake in the outcome, but that just further proves our nation's reverence to the ideas of freedom.

I'm sure the Obama Administration is going to attempt to put as good a face on this as they can, as would any Administration would who had a situation of this magnitude occur during their tenure, and during a political campaign.

The interesting thing politically is what the lamestream media will do. Will they report the story in it's entirety, and relate the truth of the pullout (ejection?), or will they become, as usual, Obama cheerleaders and declare "mission accomplished".

Mission accomplished? I believe it was your idol, the former POTUS, who got us both into this mess AND declared Mission accomplished in his little flight suit. HA! Our country's magnanimity is what drove us to "help" the Iraqis? The former regime was ignorant of the cultural factors involved and the religious or anything else. What fantasy are you living? That is the biggest crock of (fill in the blank) I believe I have ever read.....ever. Where is our magnanimity in helping the Sudan? Ethiopia? OH wait..they did not threaten the former POTUS daddy....

Looks like the Lamestream media is carrying B. Hussein's water again as they are making this out as a victory of some sort. Shameless as they are.
Obama has no respect over there or we would at least get an air base. But of course we have lost respect everywhere because of B. Hussein's ineptitude and arrogance.
On the bright side, many people are now living a better life and women especially have freedoms they could only dream about before President Bush freed them. Too bad we couldn't have negotiated a better exit strategy but we got as best as we could considering this terrible regime in the White House.

Ladydoc is 100% correct. :coolsmiley::mademyday:

I am glad we will be out soon, no matter what the reason. It was a huge mistake to go in.. but the biggest mistake was staying.

Totally agree with Jim Joe - for a change.:a040:

Yes, Obama is so lame. He could get many votes if he encouraged oil exploration and refinement expansion in the USA. But this clown has an agenda to destroy America IMHO.

I knew you would simply love the "mission accomplished" statement. That's why I wrote it. Thanks for not disappointing me, I appreciate it.

The magnanimity was in the way we did what we did. I wasn't evaluating the reasons. Whatever you want to say of the mission, we freed them, but did not conquer.

You're really flying in your post and seem unable to stay on topic, namely Iraq and the pullout (ejection?), but I can't blame you. You may still be suffering from BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome) and I do have some sympathy for those in that condition. Hopefully it will ease with time and distance. We can only hope so.

Good Post
 

Thoughtful post, Richie. Yeah, I wonder how many will report the obvious--that the Iraqis booted us out.

Re-build Libya? Lindsey Graham, John McCain and Joe Lieberman must be kidding.

They have the right to ask us to leave Iraq. After all, wasn't part of the mission to get rid of Saddam and to put democracy and self-government in Iraq? It is their free country and their government has asked us to leave. After all, we wanted them to have self-choice.

You are so obviously wrong. When a country has been defeated it has historically been for us to occupy for a lengthy time to make sure that said country doesn't conveniently slip into their old ways. That is why the USA has occupied Japan, Germany, South Korea etc.

This is a new Obama policy which could come back and bite us in the a**.

Good sense of humor, Village Golfer. Your sarcasm had me going for a minute until I realized what you were really saying. I agree with you on that. How many billions of dollars have we wasted in keeping soldiers in Germany and Japan for 66 years? Right on the money with your post.

you know I really think that your hatred for the Presidnt has affected your ability to present a cogent explaination on any of the issues facing us. It doesn't matter what the subject you are there blaming criticizing and offering nothing constructive to the post board. In your small world Obama is to blame for all ills. Too bad that such a narrow-minded approach leads to a paralasis of thought.

Blind Faith in your president causes the same thing. Blind Faith is narrow minded, too.

I am so flattered that you think enough of me to write things JUST for me. You take time out of your day to be concerned enough about how I will react to you. Did not know I was that powerful. YES!!! Right..like I believe that is why you wrote that. Your delusions about the Shrub are pathetic. You would not recognize a Shrub move if it hit you in the face. You can not even acknowledge that he got us into this mess and oh yeah....he could not think of ONE LITTLE thing he ever did wrong. Just like you....

I meant "you" in the collective sense. "You" as representative of those with full blown Bush Derangement Syndrome that clouds the mind. I see your fever is still at record levels.

If you were just able to hear this conversation for even a minute through the haze of your BDS fog, you would realize that we were talking about the present, and the ramifications of our coming "ejection" from Iraq. The representative self-governance that we taught, and built, and gave the Iraqis is the reason they can now decide that they want us to leave them to decide their own fate at this time.

Are they ready for this, and can they hold onto their freedom with all the radical Sharia loving radicals in their midst; and all the freedom crushing regimes that are their neighbors who want to control the fortunes of this energy and mineral rich country?

We could have controlled it if we weren't who we are as a country and merely conquered Iraq. The U.S. doesn't do that and so we are at this crossroads. We cannot even demand reparations and/or gratitude for our endeavors as that is also for the Iraqis to decide with their newfound self governance.

That was the conversation at hand. NOW, if you want to go forward with your irrelevant tirade, in relation to this thread, against the former president; that is also your right. We are a free people, after all.

The blame Bush crowd is becoming unwound. The very thought that this regime will have to take responsibility and this moron in the White House now has a miserable record that he will have as his burden in this election. It is always easy to blame others for your deficiencies.

Isn't that the liberal mantra? No accountability necessary. Victim mentality. Participation ribbons instead of trophies so no ones feelings are hurt...aka no accountability to excell...no accountability to overcome, no accountability to provide for one's own self....blah,blah,blah. Sickening to say the least.
Then the least amount of advice offered up to empower people to be successful, self sufficient, owners of their own destiny and human dignity...shot down as judgmental and unsympathetic and uninformed...Painted into a corner and not interested in how to get out. Preferring to curse the darkness rather than take the lit candle, heck-spotlight! that is offered. whatever.............

VillageGolfer, in the slight chance (or no chance, according to some) IF Obama does succeed in winning the Presidency in 2012 again, what are you planning on doing? Will you continue with your remarks for 4 more years on this forum; will you continue to live in this wonderful community; will you move to another country; or will you go along and agree that the Democrats won again - fair and square?

Just kind of curious - in case the unthinkable (for you) happens in November.

Maybe I'll do what Alex Baldwin said he would do if Bush beat Gore, you know, leave the country. Oh wait, Baldwin didn't leave and stayed here and complained for 8 years. What a guy. Well, not a bad idea...

What will you do if your hero goes down in defeat? Leave this wonderful conservative community? Complain for 4 years?