Political Leanings and The Villages
 

You've hosted FOX and Friends. You've had Sarah Palin as an invited speaker. This blog is dominated by Republicans. Obviously The Villages is a Mecca for the right wing.

Do you really want to lower your property values by alienating would be buyers?

No reason to bait anybody here because Villagers do not talk politics with their neighbors. I do not care what my neighbor votes.

Well, Sumter Co. registered voters:

Republican: 48.2%
Democrat: 32.8%
Other: 18.9%

No one should or should not move to TV because of their political leanings. As VG stated, it's a topic that's rarely discussed with neighbors.

I'm not worried about my property values....

Response
 

I've read your posts. I think that you do care.

Pat Buchanan a well respected Conservative says "the difference between a political philosophy and a political ideology is that the political philosophy can change when new facts are presented".

Don't think the Morse's are worried about it. Still selling houses as fast as they build them.

No idea where you are coming from. You started this thread about lowering home values because of the politicians that come here to visit or sell books?
I am telling you that I have no idea what party my friends and neighbors are associated with. We have many parties and socials and politics never have come up. We just do not care about that stuff.

Fortunately, I have never had a political discussion with the neighbors. I am praying that it stays that way as the election season gets closer. I have never met in person any of the more strident right wingers who post here. I doubt they would say in person some of the things they say here. Everyone I have met here has been kind, generous and welcoming...

I have never met the more strident left wingers who post here. I doubt they would say in person some of the things they say here. Gee, that was fun to say.
I do not talk politics with anybody here in the flesh except a few that are dear friends and we keep it light. I would say anything I say here to anybody's face.
I am proud of my heritage. My father was a liberal. I have been my own person all my life. I do not hide behind a computer.

We don't talk politics with the neighbors. Lots of other things to talk about, and when you find that your neighbors are friendly, caring, conversational, interesting, decent, and responsible, it just goes to show that people on both sides of the political aisle have good qualities in common.

Really, it's the campaigning politicians that stir up rancor and animosity, pitting the "haves" against the "have nots".

Here, everyone is "rich" with quality homes, friendships, recreation and sunshine. I don't think anybody resents the wealthier people here, because we all have the same amenities and lifestyle etc.

how much did political leanings matter where ever you hail from? Almost none at all.
How many people chose to live where they did because of political leanings?
Almost none.
How many people even give a nano seconds thoughts to the political leanings of TV when they come to visit? I venture to say NONE.
How many times does the question of political leanings come into play when people are searching/researching the area? None.

The only place there are political discussions are in political quorums/forums like this one.

I hate to see you disappointed but political leanings is just not on the agenda of daily lives thank GOD for that....unless one is a politician.

btk

I express my opinion when a political discussion arises. Sometimes with total strangers in social settings. We listen to each other and share view points. Why wouldn't you?

You are correct, most people here in TV have conservative values. I suppose that is why they are here. If you are conservative and have worked your entire life and plan to enjoy your retirement years in a place where you can make new friends and enjoy yourself, you wouldn't select to live in a place that is mostly liberal minded.

Sometimes, I even tell some of my friends, both liberals and conservatives, some of the ideologies liberals spout here on TOTV. We usually just shake our heads and laugh.

Very seldom will you find yourself in a political discussion with friends or neighbors. if you do and find you do not want to discuss politics, just say so. No problem.

Village Golfer says he has never met the more liberal posters. I am good buddies with a couple of the more conservative posters on the forum and we meet for an ice-cold Yeungling on a fairly regular basis - to lie about our golf game, Village life, and to yank each other's chain on politics. You cannot take these postings too serious. They do mean something but I hope we could all meet each other and enjoy each other's company.

Nicely said, and I am pleased to be among those conservative friends of yours at those gatherings we've come to enjoy. You do seem to enjoy yanking the chain a bit too much though :) (kidding, kidding of course)

It's fun to share ideas, and I've actually learned to view some things in a different light at times. Not that I think I've impacted your thought process one iota. (I'll keep trying)

I would suggest to the OP in light of your feelings as evidenced in this thread, that you try not to carry your political thoughts beyond this forum unless you're sure of your company. Anger is always a turnoff and never helps you win a debate. (something we all need to remember, myself included)

Sometimes I lean to the left, sometimes I lean to the right, right now I am just trying to get lean.

What is Important
 

I believe what is important is the individual candidate and the heck with
labels like Liberal or Conservative. I personally believe that Obama is the most
dangerous President we have ever had. He is a revolutionary against a
demoncratic society, and this is not open to debate. His actions speak for themselves. This is not a statement against Demoncrats, (e.g. I have played chop sticks with Eleanor Roosevelt, packed her groceries and she drove her own car with no security during her older years. She was a great lady and her husband did some good work too.)
He has a "poor mans" mentality which has led him to sponsoring attempts at class struggles and separations. Does all this make me a "conservative" then I confess I am a conservative. :posting:

I agree 100%. I vote for the candidate and their ideas and personal integrity, not the party and its power mongers.

About Obama's "poor man's" mentality, I think you are right. He was born not a part of the American black slave descendants' heritage/culture, and his communist American grandparents' and mother's table talk and foreign and elite private education in Hawaii set him apart from typical caucasian heritage/society too.

He sadly did not have a father in his life, and it shows. He does not fit in with American society, black or white, and his adoption of Jeremiah Wright's "Hate Whitey" philosophy shows.

I've read your posts.
 

I stand my ground.

The people that manage the Villages broadcast FOX News in and near the town squares.

Ask yourselves if the committee that invites guest speakers would ever invite Bill Clinton. Would they ever invite Paul O'Neil who was critical of Bush economic policy and was Bush's first Secretary of the Treasury?

If your answer is no. Then my charge of political intolerance has merit.

The Villages is not a democracy. It is being built by private enterprise and they have as much right to invite whom they please.
For instance, The New York Times is a left-leaning rag and they can invite any person they want to write columns and editorials. You will not see many conservative opinions or writers in that fish-wrap.

I was a Republican, but they've changed
 

Here is a quote from Eisenhower's letter to his brother Edgar:

"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas.5 Their number is negligible and they are stupid."

Please refer to the following website for the full text:

http://www.eisenhowermemorial.org/pr...ments/1147.cfm

The modern Republican party represents the interests of the corporations as it always has, But the corporations no longer need the American Middle Class. These multinational corporations have become quasi-American entities with no distinct loyalties to America. This belief is the foundation of my hostility toward the Republican party and to some Democrats.

Thank You
 

You've confirmed my conclusions.

The IRS should read this post when they decide to decide the validity of your tax exempt bonds.

You should do more research. There are more rich democrats then republicans. Wall Street and dems are in bed with each other and contributions to dems from major corporations equal or pass those for repubs. Your stereotyping is plenty old but it insists today because the democrats and media like it that way.

???????????? What the heck is this supposed to mean?

For goodness sakes, I am with you RichieLion, I don't understand that one either.

"IRS" and "the villages"
 

I don't know if your builder's attorneys have resolved this yet, but my readings revealed that the IRS has contested the notion that your town centers are bona-fide government bodies. Therefore they are contesting the builders right to issue tax exempt bonds.

For more information copy and paste the heading of this post into google.

The Republican Party Changed
 

You've read Eisenhower's statement, and you've failed to address my premise. Is the Republican Party supporting corporations that no longer have an interest in a strong American Middle Class?

Of course they would never invite Bill Clinton. I don't know what they are afraid of in having some more liberal speakers or heaven forbid, a democrat. We do know that they exist, after all. I can tell you that I watched the FOX broadcast from here and when the ONE more liberal guest was speaking, I heard some boo'ing. It extends to the "newspaper", a term I use loosely. I was talking with a lady attorney last month and she told me that her group had invited a democratic candidate for a state level position (I think it was state) and that they had 450 people in attendance. Not ONE word in the paper. It is the one sidedness of TV position that bothers me a lot. I would be equally bothered if it was a liberal community that never had a conservative speaker. We are adults after all. If you don't want to hear a more liberal speaker...DON'T COME.

Even with the above, I love it here. This is, however, a company town in every sense of the word. A beautiful and wonderful company town.

I would say that average middle America can identify more with Republicans then Dems. Democrats are now associated with union labor (mostly public union) minorities, and the fringe groups like homosexuals, progressives, communists, socialists etc.

Democratic Speakers
 

I was down there last year and it is indeed beautiful. I especially enjoyed the golf cart paths and bicycled all over. Regretfully, on the bus ride back to the airport I had to endure the rantings about Obama's nationality. That along with the IRS mess made us question whether the Villages is for us.

Side Stepping the Issue
 

Once again you side stepped the issue that was presented. So the public unions are the new enemy. I'll bet that came from FOX news.

I think that you've forgotten to use the less tolerant names for those ethnic groups that are traditionally Democrat. You know the ethnic names that you use when you are with like thinking friends.

Since you've seen fit to characterize the typical Democrat, I feel obliged to draw parallels between the Republicans and the Nazi's. Ideally you would like to outlaw the unions. The Nazi's did that. Minorities and gays that didn't quite fit the Fascist ideal were dealt with. Don't you wish they could go away too? The Nazis found a way. Communists and Socialists were sent to the death camps.

WOW...How dare someone post this kind of un-verified and slanderous stuff. Never ceases to amaze me of how much people think they know about what others say and do when they are "with like thinking friends"...

Is Slander an Issue?
 

We are all anonymous. Slander is not an issue.
Maybe I was insulted by the way Democrats were characterized.

Take a look at the polls. Even FOX news sees a move to the left.

I surely do hope and pray that some folks do not make a decision against moving to TV based on a minority representation by knuckleheads on the bus, this forum or any where else.

They are in the 1%!!!!!!

Politics is not the real life....please remember that.

btk

After reading all this it came to me that the overwhelming opinion about The Villages is that it is a great place to live, even for those on the left.
And furthermore the overwhelming political leaning is conservative or right. I have to believe that the number of happy conservatives sets the back drop and tone for the wonderful place The Villages has become.

Therefore I must surmise that if the USA as a whole was right leaning and conservative like The Villages it too would be a wonderful place to live. Not saying it is not a wonderful place, just could be more like TV!

Tell me where I am wrong?
EB

Man, you are really out in left field, heh? You profile someone you never meant because he gave real facts about the membership of the democrat party. I expressed no opinions of the dems membership. I merely told you who is under the tent. There sounds like a bigot amonst us.

You are saying that the gay and lesbian population of the USA are "fringe groups"? That definitely sounds like you are bigoted toward them. How about some of the Republicans who are gay and lesbian? Do you consider them to be part of "fringe groups" or does that hatred only stick to the Democrat gays and lesbians?

How dare you? This is low even for your ilk. Where is the hatred? It is a fact that most homosexuals align themselves with the democrats. Your discredit yourself when you use the bigot card all the time.

Would you care to talk about issues on neutral ground over a beer? Maybe we can find common ground and bury the hatchet.

I would never consider imbibing in alcohol beverages with someone who publicly called me a hateful bigot. Are you for real?

What?
 

"I don't know if your builder's attorneys have resolved this yet, but my readings revealed that the IRS has contested the notion that your town centers are bona-fide government bodies. Therefore they are contesting the builders right to issue tax exempt bonds." I don't know where this came from??

Two basic problems are that The Villages are alleged to be a gated community, they ignore that anyone can
go through the gate and that The Village's do not have its own Police
force. Have not heard anyone say the contention about bona-fide town
centers?? Many Cities and Towns have town centers. :jester:

It's semantics. Fringe group, minority group; not too much difference there. If VG said minority group, a word popular with you of the liberal and leftist persuasion, you would have been fine with it I imagine.

Accusing VG of hatred? Over the top and uncalled for IMHO in light of the context of his post.