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Guest 10-31-2011 07:33 AM

I read this definition
 
a few times, and it truly makes sense.

It's what we have in Washington, DC.

Finally, a way to describe Obama and his voters.

Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy): A system of government where the
least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing,
and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves
or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the
confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

I don't know who wrote this but it sure hit the nail on the head with the current administration and many of the past administrations.

Guest 10-31-2011 08:22 AM

I agree. I love this word. Say it and spell it 3 times and it's yours!

Guest 10-31-2011 08:38 AM

You should give credit where credit is due, George W. invented the word. On his watch we had 9/11, the invasion of Iraq, the hurricane Katrina fiasco and the collapse of the mortgage industry. Yep, George more than qualifies for that prize.

Guest 10-31-2011 08:41 AM

a great new word to fill in that void for those governing local, state and federal.

And as usual there is the always counted on retro bush slapping even when the thread does not mention any affiliation of R or D for the definition...must be some sort of guilt complex. And I wonder what the future looks like to those who can only see backward?

btk

Guest 10-31-2011 08:46 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 412810)
You should give credit where credit is due, George W. invented the word. On his watch we had 9/11, the invasion of Iraq, the hurricane Katrina fiasco and the collapse of the mortgage industry. Yep, George more than qualifies for that prize.

George Bush is responsible for 9/11 and Katrina? Did you forget the Tsunami's, hurricanes and volcano eruptions too?

Guest 10-31-2011 08:48 AM

Quote:

Posted by Guest (Post 412810)
You should give credit where credit is due, George W. invented the word. On his watch we had 9/11, the invasion of Iraq, the hurricane Katrina fiasco and the collapse of the mortgage industry. Yep, George more than qualifies for that prize.

George Bush is responsible for 9/11 and Katrina? Did you forget the Tsunami's, hurricanes and volcano eruptions too?

I bet that if Bush was still President, the Texas Rangers would have won World Series. LOL

Guest 10-31-2011 09:10 AM

Yepper, it's all "W" fault, not one Democrat has ever been at fault. Oh. Well, "W" can take it. Wonder how many Presidents we will have to go through before everyone stops blaming "W" for everything.

BTW, he is responsible for the Cardenals winning. Just thought I would throw that in for some unknown reason.

Guest 10-31-2011 09:27 AM

Quote:

Posted by Guest (Post 412812)
a great new word to fill in that void for those governing local, state and federal.

And as usual there is the always counted on retro bush slapping even when the thread does not mention any affiliation of R or D for the definition...must be some sort of guilt complex. And I wonder what the future looks like to those who can only see backward?

btk

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Guest 10-31-2011 09:53 AM

Quote:

Posted by Guest (Post 412785)
a few times, and it truly makes sense.

It's what we have in Washington, DC.

Finally, a way to describe Obama and his voters.

Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy): A system of government where the
least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing,
and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves
or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the
confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

I don't know who wrote this but it sure hit the nail on the head with the current administration and many of the past administrations.

Sounds to me like this encompasses all.:sigh:

Guest 10-31-2011 10:08 AM

memason, please do not restate my views of Obama's lack of performance based on measurable promises and commitments or lack of commitments as "bashing" Obama.....I have never, currently do not and never will support, based on my experience and measuring executive performance support anybody who is not doing the job. In that regard I am outspoken about Obama and his performance.

Right or wrong (it does not matter) I voted for Clinton. I particularly did not like the shame he brought to the job.....which had nothing to do with his performance as POTUS and that also had nothing to do with R or D just what the current POTUS did, at the time.

Yes, some of us really can make it without the need for even bringing up the R or D....I bring it up when needed as I view it very specifically as ones choice....not as a measure of value added or not as some just feel they must establish. The issues and those who are governing at the time and how they are performing at the time is the only value. Retro measuring or slapping does not add any value to the here and now.

I personally do not subscribe to keeping a non performer in the job....never have...never will.

btk

Guest 10-31-2011 10:59 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 412823)
...Wonder how many Presidents we will have to go through before everyone stops blaming "W" for everything...

More than you'll ever see in your lifetime. George W worse President ever in my lifetime, he beats out Carter, Nixon and LBJ by a country mile.

Guest 10-31-2011 11:17 AM

Quote:

More than you'll ever see in your lifetime. George W worse President ever in my lifetime, he beats out Carter, Nixon and LBJ by a country mile.
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First of all, You have got to be kidding!!

If it was not for him we would all be kneeling down on a rug pointed toward Mecca several times a day by now. He put in place everything that has made it possible for you to even be voicing your opinion on this subject.

Now even though I voted for him he was a disaster as far as domestic problems. Not the best we ever had but certainly not as bad as you think.
I think spoken like a true far lefty would think.

I find it curious that Obama was not on your list of bad presidents.

Guest 10-31-2011 11:46 AM

Quite a few believe Obama is a bad President.

There's Osama Bin Laden, Mommar Ghadaffi, Abu al-Masri, al-Baghdadi, Hamza Jawfi, Saleh al-Somali, Muhammad Haqqani, al-Yemeni, Noordin Top, al-Shahri, al-Awlaki, and at least a dozen others.

All these terrorist/murderers - and ********** - think Obama is a bad OTUS.

What a coincidence !!!

Guest 10-31-2011 11:55 AM

All Obama did was support the initiatives and military strategies that President Bush instituted during his eight years as Commander in Chief. It just happened to come to fruition after he left office. I find it amusing that Obama will blame Bush for financial decisions during his term but take credit for things Bush did right.

Guest 10-31-2011 11:57 AM

the use of tea ****** must make you tingly all over....why else would someone keep using the term? Certainly not for intellectual dialogue....eh?

We all know it is a term that can only used in comfort from behind the anonymity of a key board.

Must be difficult to live multiple lives/faces.

btk

Guest 10-31-2011 12:11 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 412813)
George Bush is responsible for 9/11 and Katrina? Did you forget the Tsunami's, hurricanes and volcano eruptions too?

He did not say that Bush was responsible for Katrina..he said he was responsible for the Katrina fiasco, for what happened afterwards...and he was.

Guest 10-31-2011 12:15 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 412901)
He did not say that Bush was responsible for Katrina..he said he was responsible for the Katrina fiasco, for what happened afterwards...and he was.

No, local government messed it up, but Bush never defended himself or put blame on other people like current administration.

Guest 10-31-2011 12:18 PM

Mississippi 2005 Bush "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job,"

USS Lincoln May 1, 2003 Bush "Mission Accomplished"

Guest 10-31-2011 12:27 PM

Quote:

Posted by Guest (Post 412903)
No, local government messed it up, but Bush never defended himself or put blame on other people like current administration.

See post below this one. FEMA screwed things up royally..and that is not the fault of local government. Local governments were trying desperately to get help....

Guest 10-31-2011 01:22 PM

OK, get back on topic. This is not about Bush or Obama. The defination is about almost ever administration, congress, federal program, state or local government that has been initated by any administration since about 1913.

Any time the government says something the vast majority of the time the exact opposite happens. Does not matter whether it is a Dem or Repub in charge.

This is not a topic for Bush bashing or Obama bashing, its for bashing every administration since the "Big Bang." You know the beginning of slimey life known as a "Career Politician."

Guest 10-31-2011 01:30 PM

I am not a Obama lover, never have been never will be but I have to agree with this.

Quote:

OK, get back on topic. This is not about Bush or Obama. The defination is about almost ever administration, congress, federal program, state or local government that has been initated by any administration since about 1913.

Any time the government says something the vast majority of the time the exact opposite happens. Does not matter whether it is a Dem or Repub in charge.

This is not a topic for Bush bashing or Obama bashing, its for bashing every administration since the "Big Bang." You know the beginning of slimey life known as a "Career Politician."
Today 12:27 PM

Guest 10-31-2011 01:58 PM

You mean like, Iraq has WMD's?

We will be welcomed as liberators?

Iraqi oil will pay for the war?

The econmy is sound (as inflation was rising to record levels)?

Guest 10-31-2011 02:17 PM

Obama Firsts
 
First President to refuse to show a valid Birth Certificate.

First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner
First President to have a social security number from a state he's never lived in
First President to Preside over a Cut to the Credit Rating of the United States Government
First President to Violate the War Powers Act

First President to Orchestrate the Sale of Murder Weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels
First President to be Held in Contempt of Court for Illegally Obstructing Oil Drilling in the Gulf of Mexico
First President to Defy a Federal Judge's Court Order to Cease Implementing the 'Health Care Reform' Law
First President to Require All Americans to Purchase a Product From a Third Party
First President to Spend a Trillion Dollars on 'Shovel-Ready' Jobs-- and Later Admit There Was No Such Thing as Shovel-Ready Jobs
First President to Abrogate Bankruptcy Law to Turn Over Control of Companies to His Union Supporters
First President to Bypass Congress and Implement the DREAM Act Through Executive Fiat
First President to "Order a Secret Amnesty Program that Stopped the Deportations of Illegal Immigrants Across the US , Including Those With Criminal Convictions"
First President to Demand a Company Hand Over $20 Billion to One of His Political Appointees
First President to Terminate America's Ability to Put a Man into Space
First President to Encourage Racial Discrimination and Intimidation at Polling Places
First President to Have a Law Signed By an 'Auto-pen' Without Being "Present"
First President to Arbitrarily Declare an Existing Law Unconstitutional and Refuse to Enforce It
First President to Threaten Insurance Companies if they Publicly Speak out on the Reasons for their Rate Increases
First President to Tell a Major Manufacturing Company In Which State They Are Allowed to Locate a Factory
First President to File Lawsuits Against the States He Swo re an Oath to Protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN, etc)
First President to Withdraw an Existing Coal Permit That Had Been Properly Issued Years Ago
First President to Fire an Inspector General of Ameri-corps for Catching One of His Friends in a Corruption Case
First President to Propose an Executive Order Demanding Companies Disclose Their Political Contributions to bid on Government Contracts
First President to appoint 45 'czars' to replace elected officials in his office.
First President to Golf 73 separate Times in His First Two-and-a-Half Years in Office
First President to hide his medical, educational, and travel records
First President to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn it
First President to coddle America's enemies while alienating America's allies
First President to publicly bow to Americas enemies while refusing to salute the US flag
First President to go on multiple Global apology tours.
First President to go on 17 'vacations', including 'date nights' paid for by the taxpayer.

Guest 10-31-2011 03:03 PM

loveitthere, either you can't read or I don't know what your problem is. Obama is not the first sleaze bag to be elected to the Office of the President. This is not an Obama/Bush or any other President bash. It was a defination of any administration up and including the current one. Keep on topic or start another thread with your Obama bash. I hope that you understand this now.

Guest 10-31-2011 03:06 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 412957)
loveitthere, either you can't read or I don't know what your problem is. Obama is not the first sleaze bag to be elected to the Office of the President. This is not an Obama/Bush or any other President bash. It was a defination of any administration up and including the current one. Keep on topic or start another thread with your Obama bash. I hope that you understand this now.

Sorry, was responding to Coralway.

Guest 10-31-2011 03:11 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 412946)
First President to refuse to show a valid Birth Certificate.

First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner
First President to have a social security number from a state he's never lived in
First President to Preside over a Cut to the Credit Rating of the United States Government
First President to Violate the War Powers Act

First President to Orchestrate the Sale of Murder Weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels
First President to be Held in Contempt of Court for Illegally Obstructing Oil Drilling in the Gulf of Mexico
First President to Defy a Federal Judge's Court Order to Cease Implementing the 'Health Care Reform' Law
First President to Require All Americans to Purchase a Product From a Third Party
First President to Spend a Trillion Dollars on 'Shovel-Ready' Jobs-- and Later Admit There Was No Such Thing as Shovel-Ready Jobs
First President to Abrogate Bankruptcy Law to Turn Over Control of Companies to His Union Supporters
First President to Bypass Congress and Implement the DREAM Act Through Executive Fiat
First President to "Order a Secret Amnesty Program that Stopped the Deportations of Illegal Immigrants Across the US , Including Those With Criminal Convictions"
First President to Demand a Company Hand Over $20 Billion to One of His Political Appointees
First President to Terminate America's Ability to Put a Man into Space
First President to Encourage Racial Discrimination and Intimidation at Polling Places
First President to Have a Law Signed By an 'Auto-pen' Without Being "Present"
First President to Arbitrarily Declare an Existing Law Unconstitutional and Refuse to Enforce It
First President to Threaten Insurance Companies if they Publicly Speak out on the Reasons for their Rate Increases
First President to Tell a Major Manufacturing Company In Which State They Are Allowed to Locate a Factory
First President to File Lawsuits Against the States He Swo re an Oath to Protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN, etc)
First President to Withdraw an Existing Coal Permit That Had Been Properly Issued Years Ago
First President to Fire an Inspector General of Ameri-corps for Catching One of His Friends in a Corruption Case
First President to Propose an Executive Order Demanding Companies Disclose Their Political Contributions to bid on Government Contracts
First President to appoint 45 'czars' to replace elected officials in his office.
First President to Golf 73 separate Times in His First Two-and-a-Half Years in Office
First President to hide his medical, educational, and travel records
First President to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn it
First President to coddle America's enemies while alienating America's allies
First President to publicly bow to Americas enemies while refusing to salute the US flag
First President to go on multiple Global apology tours.
First President to go on 17 'vacations', including 'date nights' paid for by the taxpayer.

you forgot to mention:

First president to have campaigned 60+ times or every 4 days. So much for sitting behind the desk doing the job you were electd to do but Obama is only good at pontificating with tele-a-prompter

The opposite of ineptocracy is meritocracy. I'll let other posters decide which party has the most of each:wave:

Guest 10-31-2011 03:18 PM

See Post #24.

Quote:

Posted by Guest (Post 412964)
you forgot to mention:

First president to have campaigned 60+ times or every 4 days. So much for sitting behind the desk doing the job you were electd to do but Obama is only good at pontificating with tele-a-prompter

The opposite of ineptocracy is meritocracy. I'll let other posters decide which party has the most of each:wave:


Guest 10-31-2011 05:38 PM

Number 1 on your list should of been "First Black President"

Guest 10-31-2011 05:55 PM

Quote:

Posted by Guest (Post 413029)
Number 1 on your list should of been "First Black President"

First 50% black president...........just saying..the first black president will ne Herman Cain.

Guest 10-31-2011 05:57 PM

Quote:

Posted by Guest (Post 412967)
See Post #24.

I addressedthe post just deviated long enough to add a "first president to the long, impressive and extensive list..........geez

Guest 10-31-2011 06:03 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 413039)
First 50% black president...........just saying..the first black president will ne Herman Cain.

With the accusations facing him. :wave:

Guest 10-31-2011 06:58 PM

Quote:

Posted by Guest (Post 413029)
Number 1 on your list should of been "First Black President"

...why so focused on race...?

Guest 10-31-2011 08:53 PM

Barack Hussein Obama is half white. Mr. Cain does not have the cream in his coffee.

Guest 10-31-2011 09:10 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 413039)
First 50% black president...........just saying..the first black president will ne Herman Cain.




Uh - Oh .... looks like there is trouble in pizzaland....

In an interview airing on Fox News on Monday night, Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain says that a financial settlement was paid to one of two women who accused him of sexual harassment while he was serving as head of the National Restaurant Association over a decade ago.

However, in responding to the accusations in question earlier in the day, the former Godfather's Pizza CEO said, "I have never sexually harassed anyone and those accusations are totally false ... It was concluded, after a thorough investigation, that it had no basis." He added, "I am unaware of any sort of settlement."


Herman, we hardly knew ye..........

Guest 10-31-2011 10:35 PM

"Bush Derangement Syndrome" is at it's peak again. You guys are hilarious.

I thought Clinton was the first black president. He said so, himself.
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/...5/170824.shtml

I see all the racists who accused Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas of sexual harassment are now putting the white robes on again and accusing Herman Cain of similar activity. More white men afraid of a black man. You Democrat racists are shameless. Must you use your fear of a strong black man to band together and try to "lynch" him.

Guest 11-01-2011 06:25 AM

if the masses and the media that support(ed) Obama could accept/forget/bypass/ignore so called "unacceptable" actions/behaviors/accusations, then anybody else in the running should be entitled to the same tolerances and go-no-go gauging.

Didja ever wonder how these negative nuggets from 10, 20, 30 or more years ago just mysteriously bubble to the surface.....NOW?

btk

Guest 11-01-2011 07:54 AM

Really.. I don't even have to do ANY research to debunk a few of those.. But let's take just a few easy pickings...

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Posted by Guest (Post 412946)
First President to refuse to show a valid Birth Certificate.

First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner
First President to have a social security number from a state he's never lived in
First President to Preside over a Cut to the Credit Rating of the United States Government
First President to Violate the War Powers Act

First President to Orchestrate the Sale of Murder Weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels
First President to be Held in Contempt of Court for Illegally Obstructing Oil Drilling in the Gulf of Mexico
First President to Defy a Federal Judge's Court Order to Cease Implementing the 'Health Care Reform' Law
First President to Require All Americans to Purchase a Product From a Third Party
First President to Spend a Trillion Dollars on 'Shovel-Ready' Jobs-- and Later Admit There Was No Such Thing as Shovel-Ready Jobs
First President to Abrogate Bankruptcy Law to Turn Over Control of Companies to His Union Supporters
First President to Bypass Congress and Implement the DREAM Act Through Executive Fiat
First President to "Order a Secret Amnesty Program that Stopped the Deportations of Illegal Immigrants Across the US , Including Those With Criminal Convictions"
First President to Demand a Company Hand Over $20 Billion to One of His Political Appointees
First President to Terminate America's Ability to Put a Man into Space
First President to Encourage Racial Discrimination and Intimidation at Polling Places
First President to Have a Law Signed By an 'Auto-pen' Without Being "Present"
First President to Arbitrarily Declare an Existing Law Unconstitutional and Refuse to Enforce It
First President to Threaten Insurance Companies if they Publicly Speak out on the Reasons for their Rate Increases
First President to Tell a Major Manufacturing Company In Which State They Are Allowed to Locate a Factory
First President to File Lawsuits Against the States He Swo re an Oath to Protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN, etc)
First President to Withdraw an Existing Coal Permit That Had Been Properly Issued Years Ago
First President to Fire an Inspector General of Ameri-corps for Catching One of His Friends in a Corruption Case
First President to Propose an Executive Order Demanding Companies Disclose Their Political Contributions to bid on Government Contracts
First President to appoint 45 'czars' to replace elected officials in his office.
First President to Golf 73 separate Times in His First Two-and-a-Half Years in Office
First President to hide his medical, educational, and travel records
First President to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn it
First President to coddle America's enemies while alienating America's allies
First President to publicly bow to Americas enemies while refusing to salute the US flag
First President to go on multiple Global apology tours.
First President to go on 17 'vacations', including 'date nights' paid for by the taxpayer.

Birth certificate? Here:
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/28...mixed-results/
...seems to indicate it's never been an issue. Carter, for one, never provided his.

Social Security Number? Can come from anywhere depending on where it's processed.

War Powers Act? Seems to me Bush violated it as well if you're using Iraq as an example - otherwise NATO operations (Libya) aren't covered by it.

...and the PRESIDENT orchestrated 'Fast and Furious'?

Contempt of Court? Yes, in the Gulf Oil case - but the administration is hardly the first to be held in contempt.

Terminating American men in space? Umm.. That was BUSH who signed that order!

Cut in the Credit Rating? Because CONGRESS can't get it's act together.

Vacations?
Quote:

CBS Radio's Mark Knoller has kept track of presidential vacations for years and supplied the data.

So far, President Obama has taken 61 vacation days after 31 months in office. At this point in their presidencies, George W. Bush had spent 180 days at his ranch where his staff often joined him for meetings. And Ronald Reagan had taken 112 vacation days at his ranch.
That's just what I could do in less than ten minutes.

If you want to be taken seriously, you have build a house of bricks, not straw.

Guest 11-01-2011 08:18 AM

Quote:

Posted by Guest (Post 412785)
a few times, and it truly makes sense.

It's what we have in Washington, DC.

Finally, a way to describe Obama and his voters.

Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy): A system of government where the
least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing,
and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves
or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the
confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

I don't know who wrote this but it sure hit the nail on the head with the current administration and many of the past administrations.

Amen brother........"You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it".

"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation.

You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.”

~~ Dr. Adrian Rogers, 1931- 2005

Winston Churchill had a profound take on socialism that validates your point that while "Ineptocracy"' is contempory in nature...the problem is not new.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,
its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.."

-- Winston Churchill

The leftists among us will never get it. Sadly, they selectively forget the blood and treasure we sacrificed fighting ideologies that have at their very core..."redistribution of wealth".

Have a great day in The Villages.

Guest 11-01-2011 09:07 AM

Cabo35, I wish I could take credit for that defination, but I found it on the web. Could not come up with who wrote it, maybe someone can who does more research. But thought that it described not only the current administration, but goes way back to the Great Society, Social Security and other government give away programs, to include the unconstitutinal creation of the FED.

What most people forget is that communism, socialism and the rest of the ism's work really great until they run out of other peoples money. The United States did not defeat the USSR, the USSR defeated themselves by running out of money. That is what will happen to this country if we don't stop spending on programs that do nothing to create wealth, like NAFTA, CAFTA and unfunded by worker pension/medical care funds. Everyone believes that military retirees get unfunded pensions, but if you look at the difference in pay for the same jobs, vs military to civilian, you will see that military pensions are actually funded by the lower wages. I would not have had any problem with the government withholding a portion of my salary if it was equal to what a civilian worker got for the same job.

An example is the government sent me to a beautiful foreign country, to meet exotic and wonderful people, who shot at me. Show me a civilian job that has the same description for the huge monthly salary of $108 per month, I was a PFC at the time, and then we will talk about pensions for the military that are, so called unfunded by worker contributions.

Guest 11-05-2011 04:52 AM

Figmo keeps talking about the £108 - this is a European keyboard - he made as a PFC. That was 40-some years ago. Currently, a PFC makes fairly good money plus benefits. Most soldiers get to the E-4 or E-5 level in their first 3 or 4 years. They make a decent salary plus excellent benefits. Lifers usually retire at the E-7 or E-8 and have excellent salaries plus excellent benefits. This is their choice of a career.

Yes, Junior Bush was the most inept President in history. No doubt in the history books about that.


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