The Villages - political leanings, censorship
 

The thing I hate most about TV is the censorship. They censor the news you read, the movies you see, the books you read, the rallys you can attend, etc. Be forewarned if contemplating moving here, living in TV is like attending Liberty University.

I think you might be a........................Democrat?

You just made my point better than I could.

Censorship
 

Ok...really not getting that. Are you not allowed to leave The Villages??? Are there no other theaters or bookstores, can you not subscribe to any other newspapers? Does the local Target only carry books approved by TV? Does the local cable channel refuse to show any national newscasts?? Once you enter the gates, are you prohibited from leaving??? Maybe the overall attitude of TV is conservative but for pete's sake...we're talking about a neighborhood here...a neighborhood that you chose to live in...it's not a walled city.

Janmcn: I hear your free speech loud and clear.

Huh?
 

I enjoy listening/reading all sides of the forum, then making an "informed" choice and, for me that choice includes a little of this and a little of that. I plan to live in The Villages, and very much look forward to it, but certainly don't see anything wrong with wanting to have more then one view presented. Why should anyone have to go outside The Villages to get their intellectual stimulation? With a population of over 80,000 people certain there has to be another point of view.

I guess, I just don't fit a mold. But... it is what it is.

Guess I do not understand your analogy?


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As long as you realize before you move here that you will have to travel 30 to 50 miles to see a movie of your choice. Or that you will be forcibly removed by the sheriff for attending a public event with the Florida governor if you are of the wrong political persuasion. A sheriff, who supposedly is a public servant paid by all the people. Just a heads up.

I'm a conservative but I believe in live and let live. The thing that amazes me about liberals is that they LOVE to tell everyone else how to live their lives, whether it's too much salt, smoking, fast food, etc. etc. But when they're a minority member in a mostly conservative population, they are the first to complain about being uncomfortable. If they're not happy in TV, please move back to Chicago, NYC or Philly.

janmcn - any movie theatre i have ever patronized always selected the movie[s] that was/were being shown. this is the same for the movie theatre in the town where i grew up to the towns i lived in and to the towns where i vacation.

where do you go that you can see the movie of your choice? i only get to do that at a video store or netflix or my comcast on demand. and even with those resources, i am limited to the movies that are available from those providers. would love to know where you have selection and availability.

am sure someone will correct me if i am wrong - but haven't there been meetings in the villages for the marion or sumter county democratic clubs?

Oh, now I know what your post is about. All that other exaggeration kind of bluurred the real reason for your gripe.

I think you are free to move about and just like a true liberal, you jumped into something before you know what it is then work it out later. Sounds like Pelosi, "Lets vote on the bill so we can see what's in it" or something real close to that.

I don't live there yet. I hpoe to some day soon. I visit there and my parents live there and are both Obama lovers and they love it there.

I guess if you went there to be in a political camp, you are in the wrong camp but I don't think that that is what TV is about.
Enjoy, it is just politics.

I can understand someone who is not in the "right wing" camp being uncomfortable with the politics of the developer, but it is their shop and they can display the merchandise they want. With all due respect, it is not a police state and you have freedom to go as you please.

:1rotfl:

:eek: :popcorn: :cryin2: :22yikes: :MOJE_whot:

So why do I love it here so much? OMG, whats wrong with me?

Please stop confusing liberals with the facts. It is only feelings and intentions that count. Don't you understand that?

political leanings (again)? Censorship, no choice for movies and what ever else was included in this negative, baiting post.

There are no more "restrictions" here than in any other city one would/could choose.

Did you check out the political leanings of where ever it is you live now?

Smells like chum to me!!

btk

Call me crazy BUT
 

would someone please pass the popcorn:popcorn::popcorn:

Do you know what the definition of a conservative is?

A liberal that was mugged the night before.

As the impacts of Obamacare, the debt, high unemployment, taxes, loss of personal freedom and more uninvited government intrusion in our lives continue to increase ....I suspect there will be more conversions.....just like the liberal that was mugged the night before......especially in the Villages.

janmcn: All we have are our opinions. I happen to agree with you on censorship in TV. However where we differ is in the application thereof. TV will do anything to keep bad publicity away from it so it can continue to market itself as "shangri-la. The developer virtually has control of the media, county commissioners,police ,etc in one manner or another. The Developer's control in some areas is stealth for obvious reasons. The Developer funds the VHA, owns all media outlets and has ownership or a piece of every company/agency connected with TV. Although no one will admit it he has greatly weakened the POA. He also, through his power and influence placed his people in leadership roles in the water utility, VHA, et. He has Sumter county locked up and makes commission directly or indirectly on just about every transaction made by residents

Ask anyone to tell you the last time the Daily Sun, Villages radio or TV or the Village voice ever was critical of the Developer. In contrast ask them how often these same entities have flattered the Developer's acumen and are a part of the Developer's marketing empire.

People are impressed with The Villages while I am impressed in how the Developer has impressed so many residents with The Village. This is like watching "The Truman Show." The Villages is impressive. However the Developer's business dealings are not because in a manner of speaking it appears to be a monopoly

Once again disagreement is not disloyality. Just because I view the Developer in a different light doesn't make me a negative person. Its just my view and one I am so entitled

This statement is totally, 100% false, ludicrous, inane and off the charts untrue, with absolutely no fear of contradiction.

I have lived in The Villages a little over 11 years now, and can state unequivocally, with 1000% of confidence....

NOBODY is censored in The Villages in what we say, do, think or see.

Nobody censored the news you read.....The Villages has their own newspaper which in itself is something unique and of which we all should be proud. Want other papers...go to Barnes and Noble, Starbucks, etc and buy the New York Times, New York Daily News, or any newspaper of your choice or have them delivered to your home if you wish. We have our own radio station of which we also should be very proud and nobody is censored on that station either...it is owned by the developer...YEP..he started this place...he started the Newspaper and he started the radio station. He does NOT...repeat...DOES NOT control the news in anyway, and if you had any sense whatsoever you can see that obviously when you read it. Is it curved to report what is going on here...YEP....the developer of this place started it....put HIS MONEY into it and yep....it is slanted that way. Dont like it..tune into anything you like as it is in every other city in the USA.

Ever been to Barnes and Noble...please explain to all that you scare away with your utterly insane chatter, how anyone controls what you read....actually, all the left leaning books are out front for all to see.
Some well known folks come here for book signings. They personally know the developer and respond to invitations that benefit both parties AS WITH ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE USA

This kind of talk I have heard before here in The Villages. It has no basis in truth in anyway and anyone reading this and not living here, take note...the thread starter is one thing and one thing only...I think on the internet they are called trolls....worthless.....just complain if they feel slighted because they feel it is all about them.

This thread is pure total tripe and has NO basis in truth and...

as far as the signing by the Governor, I ask this poster to dig into the FACTS....post them and see how it shakes out...you have no idea of what you are talking about.

That anyone would even discuss such a ridiculous claim is bothersome

I dont know where you live but you better get a change of scenery and turn your life around and gather facts before you just spout off things that you know nothing about.

If you have claims where ANY of this occured post FACTS....which I know you cannot.

Good reading. I have nothing new to add to what the rational minds have already said. It's the whole half empty, half full conundrum. People see things the way they see them and it's a personality thing. Hard to change.

Well said...thank you for your post, Bucco!

Censorship? I guess you call it "censorship" that the newspaper and radio broadcasts here are not full of murders, abductions, rapes, arsons, drive-by shootings, gang wars, and Occupiers doing drugs and poopin' and sleepin' in the town squares or country club patios, with rapists and criminals roaming through looking for prey.

I've never seen an owner of a newspaper publish articles about himself claiming he's corrupt or "buys" politicians. That's what the competition does. The Orlando Sentinel has no trouble publishing things critical of the developers here, and it's available online with the click of a mouse or for delivery at your door.

But then, the negative, bitter people I know wouldn't like it here either. They don't like it that other people are happy, living on their life savings and enjoying decent weather and sunshine for once in their lives. They want company in their misery. A lot of us moved away from bitter people who refuse to look at the positives around them.

Have you considered moving?

Originally Posted by janmcn
The thing I hate most about TV is the censorship. They censor the news you read, the movies you see, the books you read, the rallys you can attend, etc. Be forewarned if contemplating moving here, living in TV is like attending Liberty University.

Oh, come on now. This is a ridiculous posting. Yes, the Daily Sun does not report lots of the local disturbing news but you can always subscribe to the Orlando Sentinel or read it on line. The libraries have all the books you can want, rallys are on the conservative side but who cares. I don't talk politics with my golfing buddies or with my neighbors. Everyone gets along great.

Censoring the news? My television picks up all the national affiliates both liberal and conservative.

Sounds as though you just had a bad round of golf today. Practice putting and your next posts will have a more positive outlook.

When are you leaving???? Or have you ever been to the Villages???

I have read all of these, again. I do love it here but I don't like the one sidedness of the paper, the people who invited to speak here, the books that are pushed here. It's like people want to pretend that only their point of view is good enough for the entire community. What would be the big deal with a democratic speaker being invited? If you don't want to listen and don't believe in that point of view, then DON"T GO. I don't go to hear the speakers coming here, but I certainly don't want to censor their coming here or your right to go see them. Does it always have to be a one way street?

Civil Discourse
 

for those of the liberal persuasion, there is a very large group called Civil Discourse which meets on monday mornings at colony. as a Tea Party member, i tried once and intend to try again to attend as it is practically totally attended by my liberal friends and i feel it needs a little balance....i wish some of the liberal persuasion would attend a Tea Party occasionally to try to understand another point of view....by our age i guess we are pretty set in our world view and the prisms through which we view societal problems and issues...but we must communicate with each other or go down together.

notice the absence of response from the originating poster...mission accomplished. Chum cast upon the waters and now lurking to watch the replies.

btk

I didn't attend book signing tours in the midwestern cities where we lived, regardless of their political bias, because I didn't want to stand in line for hours in the cold or whatever, and I would not do it here. As for rallies at the square, I haven't gone to those here either because of the crowds, and all these people can be seen nightly on the various 24-hour news networks. I prefer seeing them on TV because I can change the channel.

Who needs to see them in person from 2 blocks away??

As for the idea of democrat candidates being "uninvited", I think it's more like they choose not to come here because of the smaller audience and votes to be gained.

BTW, the only real "censorship" I saw here was at Market Night last year at LSL, when the local Democrat group (county?) had its booth there across from Panera, and they were LOUDLY telling passers-by "DON'T WATCH FOX NEWS.....It's ALL lies", and they had poster boards saying EVERYTHING is lies that is said by opposition newscasters. It was very childish, I thought....telling grownups over 60 years old what to read and not read.

And they had no clue as to what Lincoln said: "you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar". The reps at that booth were just plain nasty in their "greeting" to people walking up toward them who had not even spoken yet!

"Have you consider moving?" "When are you moving ???" Or do you even live in The Villages?" Ah! A dichotomy. My country love it or leave it. My Villages love it or leave it. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

No, I would not attend a tea party function. This is based on the one time I stopped at their Spanish Springs booth on Chili Cookoff day a year ago. One of the ladies handing out pamphlets was very insistent on telling me her views of the "N" in the White House. I pulled her husband aside and advised him he should muzzle his wife. He said she speaks what she believes. if the tea partiers have that in their midst - and handing out their viewpoints - it is no place for me.

I did write an email to the Tri-County Tea Party and they assured me that was not their party line. Well, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ...

I was not at the governor's budget signing. All I know is what I read in Florida's largest Pulitzer-prize winning newspaper, The St Petersburg Times, The Orlando Sentinel, and The Miami Herald, and watched on all the major TV networks. Go to SPTimes.com, OrlandoSentinel.com, and MiamiHerald.com to read their versions of the story. It seems strange that every major Florida newspaper and TV station got it wrong, but The Villages Daily Sun was the only one that got it correct. And you just made my point about censorship better that I could. Why doesn't TV sue these outfits for slander if their information is incorrect?

And to all the nice people that asked: I moved to TV in 2000, coming up on 12 years ago, but I am still an independent thinker. Happy Holidays to all.

Well that was just plain stupid of that group to verbally assault passerbys. Unfortunately, I am inundated with FOX news every darn morning because my husband, who is pretty darn perfect in every other way, likes it. I hate that station because I DO know what they say and fair and balanced they most definitely are not. I heard a snippet the other day when the woman talking head was saying that Obama would beat every candidate but one if the election were tomorrow and then added something along the lines of "thank goodness the election is not tomorrow." That is NOT fair and balanced. That is most decidedly a right leaning if not right falling over station.......I just take my coffee cup, go to the office and play on the computer until hubby has had his fill of that station.

If I left then there would be no independent thinkers in The Villages - zero - zip - zilch.

you give yourself too much credit! :a20:

I hope this doesn't apply to your husband, but a study just came out last week that said Fox viewers are more misinformed than people who don't watch TV.

Good for you, LadyDoc. You are one smart gal.

janmcn: My apology if you mis understnad my post as it was in support of your right to speak. I dislike this dichotomy as it has alinsky leanings. Just because a person disagrees it doesn't make them disloyal Ergo my reference to love it or leave it is intended to shut people down

News show or opinion show? There's a difference, you realize?

I disagree that saying "love it or leave it" is intended to shut people down. When one poster asked "When are you moving?", to me it meant, "Why would you STAY in such a 'horrible' place?" And it was a question that invites a response.