How do others feel about this?
 

In recent weeks I have learned so much about the frontrunners in the primary coming up shortly that no matter who wins, I would be so apprehensive to vote for whoever secures the nomination and is on the ticket in November.

Am I expected to forget everything I've found out about all the candidates once one is selected? I don't think I can do that. How do others feel about this?

Keep in mind that all politicians are crooks, so we go with the best of the bad. Romney is only greedy and I feel he does not cheat, just takes advantage of government stupidity. Vote for Romney and you will be doing the right thing.

I did not learn anything about Mitt that would stop me from voting for him. I would have to swallow real hard to vote for Newt.

You're not expected to forget all you've learned about the candidates, but that has to include the President also.

With everything considered you have to decide if 4 more years of a lame duck ultra left wing radical President is what you want, or do you want to change the person in that office and hope for better than we're getting now.

I've decided. I want 4 more years of Barack Obama. :coolsmiley:

George Soros says that there is little difference between Mitt Romney and Barack Obama. Rush Limbaugh states that Soros supports Romney and so does every hedge fund manager in the country. soros is a hedge fund manager and is now hedging his bets

Santorum was on to Romney in the last debate. Despite the remarks Romney is making the Obama plan is a copy of Romney's down to the tiers of coverage called gold silver bronze and young Adult. Romney claims he believes in state level solutions but when analyzing his remarks it becomes apparent that there is little daylight between Romney's solution to that of Obama. ROMNEY WON'T REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMACARE. Romney won't be better than any other GOP candidate in turning the economy around because the government doesn't run like a business and that is going to frustrate him. And Romney will do no better than any of the GOP candiates concerning our defense/foreign policy while Gingrich with his background is heads above Romney in this area. Romney is the 1%, whether you subscribe to that philosophy or not, and so those swing voters will view him in the negative and stick with Obama.

Gingrich can beat Obama. I know I know the baggage but thisis the best of a bad lot . Romney has failed to satisify me that heis who he represents himself to be.

This, of course, ignores all of the polls which say ONLY Romney has a chance of beating Obama. If Newt has trouble with the Romney attack ads (as shown by his debate performance in Florida) wait until the Dems go after him.
Mitt states that on Inaugeration Day he will grant a 50 state waiver from Obamacare. Why wouldn't he follow through on that? Oh wait, he is part of the "Establishment" (being anyone who doesn't support Newt).
Anyone who supports Obama, I can understand. He is a classic Socialist beleiving that "equality of result" is more important than "equality of opportunity". The US is heading in the direction of the EU. How is that working out for Europe?

or you could go with what you know about President
 

1. Ordered all federal agencies to undertake a study and make recommendations for ways to cut spending
2. Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut wasteful spending and practices
3. Instituted enforcement for equal pay for women
4. Beginning the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq
5. Families of fallen soldiers have expenses covered to be on hand when the body arrives at Dover AFB
6 Ended media blackout on war casualties; reporting full information
7. Ended media blackout on covering the return of fallen soldiers to Dover AFB; the media is now permitted to do so pending adherence to respectful rules and approval of fallen soldier’s family
8. The White House and federal government are respecting the Freedom of Information Act
9. Instructed all federal agencies to promote openness and transparency as much as possible
10. Limits on lobbyist’s access to the White House
11. Limits on White House aides working for lobbyists after their tenure in the administration
12. Ended the previous stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date
13. Phasing out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems, which weren’t even used or needed in Iraq/Afghanistan
14. Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research
15. Federal support for stem-cell and new biomedical research
16. New federal funding for science and research labs
17. States are permitted to enact federal fuel efficiency standards above federal standards
18. Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants) after years of neglect
19. Funds for high-speed, broadband Internet access to K-12 schools
20. New funds for school construction
21 The prison at Guantanamo Bay is being phased out
22. US Auto industry rescue plan
23. Housing rescue plan
24. $789 billion economic stimulus plan
25. The public can meet with federal housing insurers to refinance (the new plan can be completed in one day) a mortgage if they are having trouble paying
26. US financial and banking rescue plan
27. The secret detention facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere are being closed
28. Ended the previous policy; the US now has a no torture policy and is in compliance with theGeneva Convention standards
29. Better body armor is now being provided to our troops
30. The missile defense program is being cut by $1.4 billion in 2010
31. Restarted the nuclear nonproliferation talks and building back up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols
32. Reengaged in the treaties/agreements to protect the Antarctic
33. Reengaged in the agreements/talks on global warming and greenhouse gas emissions
34. Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any president in his first six months in office
35. Successful release of US captain held bySomali pirates; authorized the SEALS to do their job
36. US Navy increasing patrols off Somali coast
37. Attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles
38. Cash for clunkers program offers vouchers to trade in fuel inefficient, polluting old cars for new cars; stimulated auto sales
39. Announced plans to purchase fuel efficient American-made fleet for the federal government
40. Expanded the SCHIP program to cover health care for 4 million more children
41. Signed national service legislation; expandednational youth service program
42. Instituted a new policy on Cuba, allowing Cuban families to return home to visit loved ones
43. Ended the previous policy of not regulating and labeling carbon dioxide emissions
44. Expanding vaccination programs
45. Immediate and efficient response to the floods in North Dakota and other natural disasters
46. Closed offshore tax safe havens
47. Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals
48. Ended the previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations who outsource American jobs; the new policy is to promote in-sourcing to bring jobs back
49.. Ended the previous practice of protecting credit card companies; in place of it are new consumer protections from credit card industry’s predatory practices
50. Energy producing plants must begin preparing to produce 15% of their energy from renewable sources
51. Lower drug costs for seniors
52. Ended the previous practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs; the federal government is now realizing hundreds of millions in savings
53. Increasing pay and benefits for military personnel
54. Improved housing for military personnel
55. Initiating a new policy to promote federal hiring of military spouses
56. Improved conditions at Walter Reed Military Hospital and other military hospitals
57 Increasing student loans
58. Increasing opportunities in AmeriCorps program
59. Sent envoys to Middle East and other parts of the world that had been neglected for years; reengaging in multilateral and bilateral talks and diplomacy
60. Established a new cyber security office
61. Beginning the process of reforming and restructuring the military 20 years after the Cold War to a more modern fighting force; this includes new procurement policies, increasing size of military, new technology and cyber units and operations, etc.
62. Ended previous policy of awarding no-bid defense contracts
63. Ordered a review of hurricane and natural disaster preparedness
64. Established a National Performance Officer charged with saving the federal government money and making federal operations more efficient
65. Students struggling to make college loan payments can have their loans refinanced
66. Improving benefits for veterans
67. Many more press conferences and town halls and much more media access than previous administration
68. Instituted a new focus on mortgage fraud
69. The FDA is now regulating tobacco
70. Ended previous policy of cutting the FDA and circumventing FDA rules
71. Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite scientific and environmental rules, regulations, and reports
72. Authorized discussions with North Korea and private mission by Pres. Bill Clinton to secure the release of two Americans held in prisons
73. Authorized discussions with Myanmar and mission by Sen. Jim Web to secure the release of an American held captive
74. Making more loans available to small businesses
75. Established independent commission to make recommendations on slowing the costs of Medicare
76. Appointment of first Latina to the Supreme Court
77. Authorized construction/opening of additional health centers to care for veterans
78. Limited salaries of senior White House aides; cut to $100,000
79. Renewed loan guarantees for Israel
80. Changed the failing/status quo military command in Afghanistan
81. Deployed additional troops to Afghanistan
82. New Afghan War policy that limits aerial bombing and prioritizes aid, development of infrastructure, diplomacy, and good government practices by Afghans
83. Announced the long-term development of a national energy grid with renewable sources and cleaner, efficient energy production
84. Returned money authorized for refurbishment of White House offices and private living quarters
85. Paid for redecoration of White House living quarters out of his own pocket
86. Held first Seder in White House
87. Attempting to reform the nation’s healthcare system which is the most expensive in the world yet leaves almost 50 million without health insurance and millions more under insured
88. Has put the ball in play for comprehensive immigration reform
89. Has announced his intention to push for energy reform
90. Has announced his intention to push for education reform

Rich"lame duck,ultra,left-wing"....prove it please.

Most of the 90 items you just have to laugh at (#1 for example). The rest you just cry over (like #88).

The GOP Establishment is to the conservative media as the Demoratic elite is to the liberal media.I'll say it again romney will be slippery in an eel when explaining it but he won't repeal ObamaCare. romney will flip flop as he has all along

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.............wait a sec.............ha ha ha ha ha ha ha..............OK, what I want to say is........ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.....

Why would he? It would be political death. He signs a 50 state wavier. It costs him nothing and it builds political capital.

Also the GOP "Establishment" (anyone who doesn't support Newt) is getting some new members such as Pat Buchanan, George Will, as well as Ann Coulter. Oh, and Joe Scarbough is also weighing in. All are questioning Newt's fitness. Buchanan is the most damning claiming Newt does not have core values.

Really?
 

Laugh at them all? Really? I guess your mind is made up.

Well, not all of them; some are kind of sad. Give the President credit, because he believes what he says. This is in contrast to Newt, who has no core values. He will say anything to gain power (ie moon base).
Anyway, yes, I have made up my mind at what direction I want the US to go in, and it is not Europe lite. How is that working out for them? I believe in equality of opportunity and not equality of result. I believe the President, trained under Saul Alinsky, has a socialist agenda. My preference is unfettered free market capitalism.
Having said that; Romney in 2012!

A President cannot repeal a law by just saying, "I repeal that law." It is a very complicated process. Read the attached link and see how complicated the process is.

How to Repeal or Amend a Law or Act of Congress | Suite101.com

Saul Alinsky? Really?
 

Let's see, Obama must have been 10 years old, when Alinsky died!..Really?
You and Gingrich need to find another reason why I won't vote for Obama!

Gee, I'm sorry.
 

I didn't mean to start a diatribe about present candidates of one party and a sitting President of the other party running for a second term. I guess I wasn't clear that I was asking a general question, not applying only to now. I would have asked the same question eight years ago when there were primary candidates of one party and a sitting President of the other party running for a second term. I find it appalling, no matter when or on what level of government, to hear candidates tearing each other down, slinging mud, engaging in personal attacks--and then when one is left standing and the rest are bodies on the ground, all of a sudden those bodies all rallying around the one who's left as though everything that was said before was never said. This is just hypocritical at best and outright lying at worst!

I was brought up by parents who required their children to learn, discuss, evaluate, then make an informed decision not just about politics but about everything that affected our lives--basically how to live. As far as politics is concerned, because of their manner of raising their children I am an independent voter, not registered for any party, and this allows me to vote on election day for a specific candidate for a specific office and not vote like a mindless robot for the candidate of a certain party solely because of the party affiliation. I think we have all seen countless members of both parties vote exactly this way. My mother is still alive and would be horrified if I was to do this, and my father would turn in his grave!

Again, I'm sorry I wasn't clear in my question right from the beginning.

That bubble still chasing ya? :icon_wink:

jebartle-- Obama did not train under Alinsky. He did, however, work as a community organizer for an Alinsky group, Developing Communities Project. He also taught workshops on the Alinsky methods. Hillary is also a Alinsky devotee.

Yes, Sally Jo, this sounds like such a terrible organization, doesn't it? Read about it and then post what you do not like about the organization. Thank you

.Developing Communities Project, Inc.

You got it!!!!!!! Thanks so much for the "rover" reference.

I know I'm quoting myself, but
 

This is even more of an issue for me now than when so many Republicans were in the presidential field and I first asked for the opinions of others on this forum. I trust and believe what fellow Republicans said about each other. Why not? I don't believe they were lying. Or were they??? If they WERE lying, what does this say about themselves?

I feel this way about many elections in recent years. I'm an old lady, and though I'm not registered in the party, my identification with the party goes back to President Eisenhower who I saw and still see as a total gentleman. Maybe my values are behind the times. Or maybe the times have changed for the worst as far as values are concerned. I will continue to live by my standards and therefore choose to believe what I was forced to listen to during the race for the nomination!

I had decided to sit this one out...I am tired of voting for the lesser of 2 evils, since I started voting only twice have a voted for someone I really wanted to win.

Then I was on a practice green in TV when a guy came up a just started in on teachers pay, unions and liberals. I explained I wouldn't be voting this year because I really don't like Obama but I can't vote for Romney based on the business model he used to make money at Bain. I watched a competitor in the IVD industry run into the ground by Bain. They never recovered...then sold and only now can they compete. I explained that to this to guy and the fireworks stated. The wife joined in saying that if I didn't vote that was a vote for Obama...still don't understand that one.

So here I sit, in a swing state, won't vote for Romney and don't want to vote for Obama. Time to write in Hillary?

There's still talk of Hillary taking over the V.P. spot from Biden. Biden's not being seen as an asset to Obama's chances of late, with him making more unwelcome comments than usual.

He has actually taken a little "vacation" this week, ostensibly to help his daughter prepare for her coming wedding.

Gaffing Biden Heads Out on Vacation | The Blog on Obama: White House Dossier
vacation/

http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2012/05/17/joe/

Hillary Clinton for vice president: The rumor that just won’t die - The Washington Post

That might turn the tide for me....

I kind of figured it would. I don't know what Hillary would have to be promised to accept the V.P. nod, but it would definitely be a huge plus for Obama, so I still expect it.

I'm not happy about it myself, but I completely understand the strategy of her accepting the position.

Same Theme
 

Don't I recall that this was the main theme of Obama's campaign in 2008, with only the choice of one different word? Bush wasn't a lame duck of course, but the theme sounds very familiar.

How did that work out?

That's The Problem
 

Yours is demonstrative of the real problem resulting from the Supreme Court decision that anyone can spend any amount of money to finance a political campaign. It's the right of free speech under the Constitution, they said. Oh, I suppose I should add that negative campaigning has been proven to work and has become the modus operendi of almost all political campaigns at any level.

By the time the two candidates for POTUS cut and slash each other with attack ads between now and November, not only will people stop listening to them, but they'll hate and distrust whichever of the candidates actually succeeds in getting elected. He'll have little chance of effectively leading the country in the direction it needs to go.

Well, that would be an unbeatable ticket. Just think that Mrs. Clinton would then go on to be President in 2016 with good possibility of 2020 after that. The GOP would be a forgotten item by the end of that time period.

I totally agree. Hillary Clinton will be on the ticket by the time the convention rolls around in September. Both her and VP Joe Biden will do it for the good of the party, if it looks like Mitt Romney is within striking distance. What choice do they have? Biden would be out of work if President Obama loses, and Clinton could possibly have to wait until 2020 to run for president.

BTW, Biden could take over as Secretary of State, a job he has coveted in the past, and he could rent the Clinton's beautiful DC home when he has to vacate the Naval Observatory. It's a win-win for everybody except Romney.

No, because by that time Obama would have more fully realized his ambition of destroying this country from within without impediment due to his lame-duck status, and the people would be rebelling against it in a way that would make the hatred of Bush after 8 years seem like a minor disagreement.

That's the big risk for Hillary. She could get swept away in a wave of Obama rebellion that will silence her aspirations forever.

I'm not sure why you altered my post in your "quoting" of it, but it's not the same at all, in any case. The dynamics are far different.

if Hillary wants a shot at POTUS in 2016 ....the leesor risk is to not be Obama's VP.

Why would she take on the risk of being tainted by what ever the Obama lame duck scenario will bring.

If she did, she would have to run against what Obama did and mostly didn't do. She would then have to adopt the Obama strategy of blaming the previous POTUS for what she could/would inherit from the Obama presidency.

I am not even in the slightest convinced Clinton would sway those who are dissatisfied with Obama's performance to give him 4 more years.

Since we are all guessing (some hoping)....I just don't think, if she really wants a clear shot at running strong in 2016, she will take on the risk of Obama.

btk

If Hillary becomes VP Obama better get a food taster.