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Guest 02-19-2012 11:30 AM

Republicans worried????
 
Every month, another candidate is flavor of the week.....Do you wish you had another option from the existing candidates?

Guest 02-19-2012 11:36 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 455679)
Every month, another candidate is flavor of the week.....Do you wish you had another option from the existing candidates?

I can always wish for another candidate, but to what purpose. I also wish the current President was still rabble rousing in Chicago instead of diminishing my country.

Guest 02-19-2012 11:57 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 455679)
Every month, another candidate is flavor of the week.....Do you wish you had another option from the existing candidates?

Nope

Guest 02-19-2012 12:11 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 455679)
Every month, another candidate is flavor of the week.....Do you wish you had another option from the existing candidates?

There isn't a Republican candidate mentioned, no longer running or running now that isn't hands down better than what is passing as a president presently

Guest 02-19-2012 12:34 PM

yup!!! The most important result is we have an option to the incumbent.

Also please try to recall the process of elimination when the Democratic throng of candidates was doing exactly the same thing 4 years ago!!

I am sure y'all didn't refer to their process as the flavor of the week....even though it was.

btk

Guest 02-19-2012 01:11 PM

Come now, Perry better than Obama. I am in big support of Romney, but lets get real. I bet you were in favor of George McGovern also. Lets be reasonable. If not Romney, I will vote and campaign for Obama. At least I have the sense to want the best man for the job. Incumbent out at all cost is prejudice or at least dumb.

Guest 02-19-2012 01:13 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 455736)
Come now, Perry better than Obama. I am in big support of Romney, but lets get real. I bet you were in favor of George McGovern also. Lets be reasonable. If not Romney, I will vote and campaign for Obama. At least I have the sense to want the best man for the job. Incumbent out at all cost is prejudice or at least dumb.

Intelligently stated.

Guest 02-19-2012 02:14 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 455736)
Come now, Perry better than Obama. I am in big support of Romney, but lets get real. I bet you were in favor of George McGovern also. Lets be reasonable. If not Romney, I will vote and campaign for Obama. At least I have the sense to want the best man for the job. Incumbent out at all cost is prejudice or at least dumb.

Of course Perry would be better than Obama. Maybe you don't like him, but he's more AMERICAN than Obama can ever hope to be.

He may not have been the best Republican candidate, but as an AMERICAN, he's head and shoulder's above Obama is true American values.

Guest 02-19-2012 02:28 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 455763)
Of course Perry would be better than Obama. Maybe you don't like him, but he's more AMERICAN than Obama can ever hope to be.

He may not have been the best Republican candidate, but as an AMERICAN, he's head and shoulder's above Obama is true American values.

Heck Richie McGovern would have been better than Obama:1rotfl:

Guest 02-19-2012 04:18 PM

Osama Bin Laden would probably agree with you on that - that is, if he was able to .....


It is time for another Repube/Con/****** to enter the race .......


Palin/Joe The Plumber - 2012 ..................

Guest 02-19-2012 06:29 PM

Richie, can you explain to me why you kept putting the word "American" in all caps?

Was it:

1) Describing Perry's "intangibles" as somehow more in tune with your (or other) definitions of a 'real American'?

2) Insisting that Perry is an American and implying that Obama is not?

3) Something else that I missed entirely?

Guest 02-19-2012 07:19 PM

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I can always wish for another candidate, but to what purpose. I also wish the current President was still rabble rousing in Chicago instead of diminishing my country.

Well Richie, I believe it's my country too. And my read is that Obama is improving my country. :icon_wink:

Guest 02-19-2012 07:26 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 455871)
Richie, can you explain to me why you kept putting the word "American" in all caps?

Was it:

1) Describing Perry's "intangibles" as somehow more in tune with your (or other) definitions of a 'real American'?

2) Insisting that Perry is an American and implying that Obama is not?

3) Something else that I missed entirely?

Your "guess number 1" is more in line with what I was thinking and it's much more than intangible.

Obama is not standing up for traditional American principles in any way, shape or form. "His America" is more of a Marxist thing.

Guest 02-19-2012 09:10 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 455894)
Well Richie, I believe it's my country too. And my read is that Obama is improving my country. :icon_wink:

:agree:

Suzanne

Guest 02-19-2012 09:12 PM

Can someone please explain to me how Obama is improving my country? :popcorn:

Guest 02-19-2012 09:19 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 455894)
Well Richie, I believe it's my country too. And my read is that Obama is improving my country. :icon_wink:

Somehow that doesn't surprise me. I'm sure all those on food stamps, unemployed and loosing their homes agree. Five dollar a gallon gas coming up to. That'll really give struggling families a boost. Go Obama!!

Guest 02-19-2012 09:32 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 455978)
Somehow that doesn't surprise me. I'm sure all those on food stamps, unemployed and loosing their homes agree. Five dollar a gallon gas coming up to. That'll really give struggling families a boost. Go Obama!!

Yeah, Go Obama, Go back home. Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing you...

Guest 02-19-2012 09:53 PM

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Yeah, Go Obama, Go back home. Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing you...

Tiresome. :ohdear:

Guest 02-19-2012 10:04 PM

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Tiresome. :ohdear:

from one who would know about being tiresome...:coolsmiley:

Guest 02-19-2012 10:18 PM

Why should republicans be worried? They have one loser candidate that nobody can stand and another candidate that is so far out of the mainstream that he's about to take the whole republican party off a cliff.

I can't remember any presidential candidate that wanted to impose his strict ideological views on the country. I don't remeber JFK, another catholic, wanting to abolish contraception. Who else wanted to abolish the Dept of Education and advocate that everyone home school their kids?

I was under the impression that the republican party stood for smaller government. Under Rick Santorum, this country would have the vagina police department, the gay sex police department, the pre-natal care police (yes, he even said pre-natal care causes abortions), all contraception would disappear under President Santorum.

Does anybody out there remember the loser tea-party senate candidates that cost the republican party control of the senate in 2010? Go Rick Go. The guy lost his senate seat by 17 points.

Guest 02-19-2012 10:42 PM

Who is trying to abolish contraception? The point is that the government is attempting to mandate that the Catholic Church provide contraception in the healthcare insurance of their employees...That is a ridiculous request, to say the very least!

Guest 02-19-2012 11:09 PM

Katz...as a woman, Catholic or not, don't anyone dare to tell me what to do with my body but me! Contraception should be an OPTION for any woman...regardless of religion. Where does American freedom play a part here? Where do women's rights play a part? Holy cow...it's back to square one where women don't have a vote.

Katz...do you agree it's ok to let others make your choices for you? I mean ALL your choices? Or do you just pick and choose?

I don't normally participate in this political forum and you probably won't see another post from me regarding this subject. I just don't understand why women want MEN to make decisions about their choices.

Guest 02-19-2012 11:15 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 456013)
Katz...as a woman, Catholic or not, don't anyone dare to tell me what to do with my body but me! Contraception should be an OPTION for any woman...regardless of religion. Where does American freedom play a part here? Where do women's rights play a part? Holy cow...it's back to square one where women don't have a vote.

Katz...do you agree it's ok to let others make your choices for you? I mean ALL your choices? Or do you just pick and choose?

I don't normally participate in this political forum and you probably won't see another post from me regarding this subject. I just don't understand why women want MEN to make decisions about their choices.

I don't think anyone is trying to make your choice for you or any other woman regarding birth control.

The issue is whether you can force the Catholic Church to pay for it. Why are so many people not getting this point?

Is any liberal paying attention out there?

Guest 02-19-2012 11:23 PM

I'm a Democrat and proud of it! I'm paying attention. I don't understand why Republicans aren't paying attention.

Guest 02-19-2012 11:24 PM

It shouldn't be a question of "church". It's a question of women's rights.

Guest 02-19-2012 11:35 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 456020)
It shouldn't be a question of "church". It's a question of women's rights.

You have all your rights. The Church also has theirs. You cannot compel them to forfeit their rights to facilitate and finance yours.

Is that any more understandable?

Guest 02-19-2012 11:36 PM

It's not a question of who decides whether a person can have/use contraceptives.

It's a question of "Who PAYS" for it!!!!

Guest 02-19-2012 11:41 PM

WHO pays for it should be the enployer. Plain and simple.

Guest 02-19-2012 11:50 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 456013)
Katz...as a woman, Catholic or not, don't anyone dare to tell me what to do with my body but me! Contraception should be an OPTION for any woman...regardless of religion. Where does American freedom play a part here? Where do women's rights play a part? Holy cow...it's back to square one where women don't have a vote.

Katz...do you agree it's ok to let others make your choices for you? I mean ALL your choices? Or do you just pick and choose?

I don't normally participate in this political forum and you probably won't see another post from me regarding this subject. I just don't understand why women want MEN to make decisions about their choices.

If I am a follower of the Catholic church, I am not going to expect them to pay for my contraceptions. It is against one of their fundamental doctrines. what I do in private is just that...private. I doubt that the Catholic church follows up on what its women do or don't do. They are just not going to provide you with twhat you need to go against their doctrine. I don't blame them nor think they should do any different. If I don't like it, maybe I should reconsider aligning myself with the Catholic church.
As far as others making choices for me...too late! I have thousands of dollars taken out of my pay every year by the US Federal government to support many things that I would prefer not to support. I would much rather keep my money and give to the charity of MY CHOICE. Shouldn't I be given freedom of choice regarding my money? Who has the right to enter my wallet? Where are the Women's Rights/Pro-Choice folks to defend me on that one?!?
Rather let men make my choices?!? You lost me on that one...just ask Mr. Katz :icon_wink:

Guest 02-20-2012 12:28 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 456027)
WHO pays for it should be the enployer. Plain and simple.

So you're saying the church has to forfeit it's Constitutional rights if it hires an employee?

There is no constitutional freedom of religion for the Catholic Church?

Do you really want to make that argument over the cost of a pill?

Guest 02-20-2012 03:56 AM

Which one stirs up more controversy, the Catholics or the Muslims?

Guest 02-20-2012 07:36 AM

The "who pays for it" argument is just a cover for taking away a woman's choice by the male dominated Republican right wing. :ohdear:

Guest 02-20-2012 07:40 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 456066)
The "who pays for it" argument is just a cover for taking away a woman's choice by the male dominated Republican right wing. :ohdear:

True but not new. We have been doing that for thousands of years. But for the good side. We in America are not as hard on women as they are in Muslim countries.

Guest 02-20-2012 08:10 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 456038)
Which one stirs up more controversy, the Catholics or the Muslims?

I have not seen any stories on Catholics stoning one of their women for talking to a non-Catholic. But on the other hand, well you get the picture. Then how about the converted muslim in Iran that they are going to execute because he converted. Don't think I have seen any Catholics brought up on charges to be execute because they change religions.

Just food for thought.

Guest 02-20-2012 08:13 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 456078)
I have not seen any stories on Catholics stoning one of their women for talking to a non-Catholic. But on the other hand, well you get the picture. Then how about the converted muslim in Iran that they are going to execute because he converted. Don't think I have seen any Catholics brought up on charges to be execute because they change religions.

Just food for thought.

I agree, Catholics are not quite that bad, but I can remember when to marry outside the church was not nice.

Guest 02-20-2012 10:17 AM

I had a friend who attended Catholic elementary school (many years ago, of course) and while in 1st grade, he was told by a nun directly that his father was going to Hell because he was not Catholic.

Guest 02-20-2012 10:26 AM

Because you cannot refute the Church's Constitutional Right to Freedom of Religion, the anti-Catholics on this tread are starting to vilify and defame the Church and it's adherents right here on this forum. It's despicable.

Guest 02-20-2012 10:30 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 456155)
Because you cannot refute the Church's Constitutional Right to Freedom of Religion, the anti-Catholics on this tread are starting to vilify and defame the Church and it's adherents right here on this forum. It's despicable.

Now Now, nothing has been said that is not true. I will say again. Catholic members or fine Christian people, but the Hierarchy of the church is less than saintly.

Guest 02-20-2012 10:33 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 456155)
Because you cannot refute the Church's Constitutional Right to Freedom of Religion, the anti-Catholics on this tread are starting to vilify and defame the Church and it's adherents right here on this forum. It's despicable.

The Catholics have a right to believe anyway they want to, as long as they don't make me believe in what they believe in. I get to believe in what I think is right the same as they do.

Not everyone will like the Catholics or the Jews or the "whatever" but as long as any religion does not use force (muslim) to make me believe their way is the only way, then what you believe in or not believe in is between you and whatever god you pray to. No one should be able to tell you, you are right or wrong and since no one has ever crossed over, gone there, traveled the lighted road and come back with what is or is not there, believe in what you want, and I will do the same.

Guest 02-20-2012 01:15 PM

There is no doubt that ANY group/race has it's non-saintly or not so proud of folks or dumb rules of the past.

As per usual, in this case the negative commentary on catholics/catholosicsm, a minority of specifics applied as a general, usually denigrating statement for the purpose of making a point.

The negative commentary in fact can be most certainly applied to any group/population.

I look forward to some day hearing about what the majority are doing. And right behind that, a discussion without dredging up select models from the past, out of context, usually, to make a point or start a fire!!

btk


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